So basicly if you zoom in enough your character disappears and makes it look like your seeing what your character is seeing.....

Um how is this anything special lots mmos let you do this, its not really first person.  This is becoming a problem with TESO, the developers keep useing telling us stuff but really not telling us anything at all.  Its not good when company wont just be straight up with you about there product.

Originally posted by MaxJac
I wander how many ES players use third versus first in the single player games. I suspect overwhelmingly first. I wouldn't mind an MMO that did just first. It would mean it would have to be the quality that makes it so good in Bethesda titles.

First person view only in mmoprg? I wouldnt play that game even if it had the best gameplay, content, pvp, pve in the world.

Watching my character with his shiny awesome armor and weapon on the back while exploring, running, fighting is FAR too important !!!!!

Originally posted by walltar
Do you know what i fear? .... That people would start demanding more and more ... first it was 1st person view, now it is "true" 1st person view and in future it will be "No 3rd person view, because we (1st person pros) are killed by 3rd person noobs"

Well actually I, and others, have always asked for first person MMORPGs.  That has always meant no third person view. This is not a new request nor is it some sort of slippery slope.  We (that is the players that want first person view) have always wanted third person view to go away, at least in some games.

Originally posted by Dogblaster

Originally posted by MaxJac
I wander how many ES players use third versus first in the single player games. I suspect overwhelmingly first. I wouldn't mind an MMO that did just first. It would mean it would have to be the quality that makes it so good in Bethesda titles.

First person view only in mmoprg? I wouldnt play that game even if it had the best gameplay, content, pvp, pve in the world.

 

Watching my character with his shiny awesome armor and weapon on the back while exploring, running, fighting is FAR too important !!!!!

Well I guess that puts you firmly in the "virtual action figure" camp.  I just hope I am missing your sarcasm.

Originally posted by walltar

Originally posted by sapphen

I think they should've designed the game for 1st person view and then made a 3rd person view.  The 3rd person view should share the same "line of sight" as FPV,  meaning you couldn't see behind you in either view ~ There would be a fog of war type thing in TPV that prevented you from seeing enemies outside the view point of a FPV player.  This sounds aweful to restrict TPV but it could've tied into the stealth system very nicely.

Yep i too think that they should doom this game to fail ...

Dude that would rock, you dont know what you're talking about.

Anyways I think they should add arms & weapons down the road and then have "FPV only" Cyrodiil campaigns.  That way the people who want to play FPV could do so with others and not worry about the advantages of TPV.

Really? What is this nonsense I have been reading in articles then saying TESO will be very Skyrim-like in terms of combat, and now suddenly it was never intended to have first person (again?), for some of the weakest excuses I have ever heard, from a development team known for making weak excuses? What's next, tab targetting?

Originally posted by MaxJac
I wander how many ES players use third versus first in the single player games. I suspect overwhelmingly first. I wouldn't mind an MMO that did just first. It would mean it would have to be the quality that makes it so good in Bethesda titles.

I play ES in 3rd person view. Only shift to first when using my bow.

Originally posted by sapphen

I think they should've designed the game for 1st person view and then made a 3rd person view.  The 3rd person view should share the same "line of sight" as FPV,  meaning you couldn't see behind you in either view ~ There would be a fog of war type thing in TPV that prevented you from seeing enemies outside the view point of a FPV player.  This sounds aweful to restrict TPV but it could've tied into the stealth system very nicely.

This is how a game with both 1st person and 3rd person should handle it.

Originally posted by immodium

Originally posted by MaxJac
I wander how many ES players use third versus first in the single player games. I suspect overwhelmingly first. I wouldn't mind an MMO that did just first. It would mean it would have to be the quality that makes it so good in Bethesda titles.

I play ES in 3rd person view. Only shift to first when using my bow.

Me too ... idon't like playing in 1st person at all.

Originally posted by Maelwydd

Originally posted by sapphen

I think they should've designed the game for 1st person view and then made a 3rd person view.  The 3rd person view should share the same "line of sight" as FPV,  meaning you couldn't see behind you in either view ~ There would be a fog of war type thing in TPV that prevented you from seeing enemies outside the view point of a FPV player.  This sounds aweful to restrict TPV but it could've tied into the stealth system very nicely.

This is how a game with both 1st person and 3rd person should handle it.

No it shouldn't. If you want to be limited by lame 1st person, be ma guest. But please don't limit others only because you have some issues with 3rd person. 3rd person is good as it is.

No 1st person combat w/ real time attacking/blocking where I can see my hands/weapon/shield etc. mean I am not buying TESO.

Thanks Zenimax for clearing that up for me.

And if other players get to use 3rd person and get a perspective/viewing advantage over me using 1st person, once again Thank You Zenimax for letting me know exactly why I'm not buying your game.

Elder Scrolls is open world sandbox single player RPG.

Shouldn't have ever been even attempted to be made into a MMO.

And this is exactly why.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorsek 

Lol... TES is a sandbox? Really...? Wow...

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Thats the thing, single player sand box games aren't even close to the same as what people mean when they say sandbox in mmo's

The biggest sandbox single player games games are tes (quest based, linear story) and gta (quest based, linear story and areas of the map are locked dependent on quest progression) and both those would be classed as themepark if they were directly converted to a mmo

Originally posted by deakon

 

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Originally posted by Crazyhorsek 

 

Lol... TES is a sandbox? Really...? Wow...

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Thats the thing, single player sand box games aren't even close to the same as what people mean when they say sandbox in mmo's

 

The biggest sandbox single player games games are tes (quest based, linear story) and gta (quest based, linear story and areas of the map are locked dependent on quest progression) and both those would be classed as themepark if they were directly converted to a mmo

Well i believe you are onto something there. I think that there could be pretty damn close experience as in SP TES game. But there are limitations to be considered which will change this game. TES is pretty close to sandbox MMO and if i can remember, Oblivion was called offline MMO even by people who never played sandbox MMO. There are no quests and set stroryline in sandbox MMO. 

I still think that most people bitching about this game are either angry that there will be TES MMO by general or they have big round objects up their asses.

Originally posted by walltar

Originally posted by deakon

 

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Originally posted by Crazyhorsek 

 

Lol... TES is a sandbox? Really...? Wow...

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Thats the thing, single player sand box games aren't even close to the same as what people mean when they say sandbox in mmo's

 

The biggest sandbox single player games games are tes (quest based, linear story) and gta (quest based, linear story and areas of the map are locked dependent on quest progression) and both those would be classed as themepark if they were directly converted to a mmo

Well i believe you are onto something there. I think that there could be pretty damn close experience as in SP TES game. But there are limitations to be considered which will change this game. TES is pretty close to sandbox MMO and if i can remember, Oblivion was called offline MMO even by people who never played sandbox MMO. There are no quests and set stroryline in sandbox MMO. 

I still think that most people bitching about this game are either angry that there will be TES MMO by general or they have big round objects up their asses.

No I think people are upset because they wanted TESO to be like Skyrim and Oblivion, not like World of Warcraft.  Personally I can save myself 60 bucks and keep my Sub to WoW to enjoy linear, limited first person combat with all efforts put into 3rd person.  Anotherwards, nothing new to see here, been there done that not interested.  Ask yourself why is 3rd person all you see in an mmorpg? PVP cry babies is your answer.

All of you "realism" freaks grossly underestimate peripheral vision.  Take a box, cut off only one side, and put it over your head.  That's first person view.

Third person view is much more realistic.  If you slightly turn your head, you can see behind you with peripheral vision.

In any case, I saw first person video game fight with swords, and it was ridiculous.  Even though there were a lot of people, it was basically one on one fightting because they were close together, but couldn't see each other well enough to react to someone they weren't fighting.  If they turned slightly to face their opponent, people to the side of them were completely out of view.  At the end, there were two fighters left standing right next to each other, and it took them of couple of seconds of turning in place to see each other.  Lol realism my ass.

Originally posted by love-da-bush

You could play in "first person" in vanilla WoW, you just couldn't see your hands.... is there a difference here?

Feels like they are putting first person there just for RP purpose or to add one more feature to "please" the fans.

In a pvp enviroment, third person is too superior to first person, so it makes no sense to expect players to keep their view hindered just for the sake of realism. I fear this is one of those features you can't really implement in a MMO.

Speaking of which: I'm really looking forward to try the slow-motion from zooming with bow, I'm wandering about how they overcome the fluctuations in the time continuum allowing multiple players to alter the speed of time, at the same time! Maybe even while aiming at each other! *insert smiley here*

"please the fans"?

Oh why should they bother? It's not like they picked up a well established franchise and name for their game that will make them a guaranteed sell is there? They could just as well make a Car Racing Game in Space, no? Oh wait.. they ARE banking on a well established franchise and name...

A franchise and name, who has been a flagbearer for the genre since its gamer birth in 92...

Am I the only person who played oblivion and skyrim in 3rd person?

People act like it is a stain on the ES philosophy, where I felt like it was just one of many options. 

It just seems really strange that animated hands with items in it would be such a big deal.....they were a lot of the reason I didn't play in 1st person to be honest.

Just seems like a bunch of folks saying 'the way we players played other ES games" as if there was a code of conduct on how I was suppose to play other ES games.

The organization in charge of enforcing this 1st person  only rule failed to email all of us who played. At least, I didn't get the memo.

Originally posted by Tokenaru

Originally posted by walltar

Originally posted by deakon

 

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Originally posted by Crazyhorsek 

 

Lol... TES is a sandbox? Really...? Wow...

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Thats the thing, single player sand box games aren't even close to the same as what people mean when they say sandbox in mmo's

 

The biggest sandbox single player games games are tes (quest based, linear story) and gta (quest based, linear story and areas of the map are locked dependent on quest progression) and both those would be classed as themepark if they were directly converted to a mmo

Well i believe you are onto something there. I think that there could be pretty damn close experience as in SP TES game. But there are limitations to be considered which will change this game. TES is pretty close to sandbox MMO and if i can remember, Oblivion was called offline MMO even by people who never played sandbox MMO. There are no quests and set stroryline in sandbox MMO. 

I still think that most people bitching about this game are either angry that there will be TES MMO by general or they have big round objects up their asses.

No I think people are upset because they wanted TESO to be like Skyrim and Oblivion, not like World of Warcraft.  Personally I can save myself 60 bucks and keep my Sub to WoW to enjoy linear, limited first person combat with all efforts put into 3rd person.  Anotherwards, nothing new to see here, been there done that not interested.  Ask yourself why is 3rd person all you see in an mmorpg? PVP cry babies is your answer.

....or perhaps,

Some of us like to see our character as we play.

I know simple answers can be elusive sometimes.

Don't want it, don't need it.

In fact, I've played about a thousand hours of Skyrim... all in glorious third person view just the way I like it.

Originally posted by Zorgo

Am I the only person who played oblivion and skyrim in 3rd person?

I played both those games in 3rd too ... and i don't remember oblivion od skyrim limiting 3rd person view because of realism. I understand why people wants to see hands and weapon, but seeing as this game will be MMO, eweryone (be it because pvp or because group pve) will be playing it in 3rd soon. So making animated hands is only wasting money because butthurt TES fans who "know" that TES is all about 1st person. But this game will be played by MMO crowd too and many of us dont want 1st person at all, nor we want to limit 3rd person because 1st person fanatics.