Originally posted by sanshi44

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by rogue187
just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't have depth...it has more content than any game out there...it can ( as a noob) keep you busy for years.. it kept me busy...like i said it depends on your outlook of what "in depth" is...

Im going to assume this is just trolling, but in case it isnt...

 

EQ2 (the game that came out within 2 weeks of WoW) beats WoW in content and its not remotely close.  And amount fo content isnt a big factor in depth anyway.

 

themepark depth order:

EQ2

LOTRO

RIFT

WoW

TERA

SWToR

Ill agree with ur list there, however i qould put Everquest 1 somewhere before rift (although old game it did have alot of depth in it atleast i reckon it does) I would also consider putting vanguard in there aswell somewhere although i havant played vanguard from what i heard it definetly deserve a spot in that list.

I'll second your agreement with the list, and your adjustments as well -

However, I would move the current WoW to the bottom because one of the included items in the OP's idea of "indepth" was talents, and the talent system in MoP is absolutely boring, if you are loking for something with a lot of choices. It has been made more "user-friendly" and people will talk about it as a "quality of life improvement", but it's not a "game improvement".

I personally don't game to make it easy on myself.

The EQ devs understand depth much better than the WoW devs, and there is more of a sense of involvement in the game, as opposed to the focus on "end-game raiding". Now, flip side to that is the WoW end-game focus has spread like a plague to all of the MMOGs and so the people you play with are much more likely to play that way, so your expereince in EQII won't necessarily be deeper, but the potential is there.

Oh, and I'd add Age of Conan and put it just below LOTRO.

Originally posted by Smokeysong

Originally posted by sanshi44

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by rogue187
just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't have depth...it has more content than any game out there...it can ( as a noob) keep you busy for years.. it kept me busy...like i said it depends on your outlook of what "in depth" is...

Im going to assume this is just trolling, but in case it isnt...

 

EQ2 (the game that came out within 2 weeks of WoW) beats WoW in content and its not remotely close.  And amount fo content isnt a big factor in depth anyway.

 

themepark depth order:

EQ2

LOTRO

RIFT

WoW

TERA

SWToR

Ill agree with ur list there, however i qould put Everquest 1 somewhere before rift (although old game it did have alot of depth in it atleast i reckon it does) I would also consider putting vanguard in there aswell somewhere although i havant played vanguard from what i heard it definetly deserve a spot in that list.

I'll second your agreement with the list, and your adjustments as well -

However, I would move the current WoW to the bottom because one of the included items in the OP's idea of "indepth" was talents, and the talent system in MoP is absolutely boring, if you are loking for something with a lot of choices. It has been made more "user-friendly" and people will talk about it as a "quality of life improvement", but it's not a "game improvement".

I personally don't game to make it easy on myself.

The EQ devs understand depth much better than the WoW devs, and there is more of a sense of involvement in the game, as opposed to the focus on "end-game raiding". Now, flip side to that is the WoW end-game focus has spread like a plague to all of the MMOGs and so the people you play with are much more likely to play that way, so your expereince in EQII won't necessarily be deeper, but the potential is there.

Oh, and I'd add Age of Conan and put it just below LOTRO.

I don't know of anyone that likes the MoP talent changes.  Ill be very curious to see what they do for the next expansion, to see if they start heading the other way again.  If not for the talent tree changes MoP would be regarded as the best WoW expansion.

The list realy breaks down to the games above Rift have depth, the games below are pretty shallow, and Rift is somewhere inbetween.  

I didnt last long in AoC so I can't judge it.  Might have to give it another shot one of these days.

LOTRO is the sneaky one though.  When you first start it, the game si straightforward and the classes seem static with limited skills, and not much going on.  But that game gradually adds depth and substance the higher level you get.  

Originally posted by rogue187
just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't have depth...it has more content than any game out there...it can ( as a noob) keep you busy for years.. it kept me busy...like i said it depends on your outlook of what "in depth" is...

Although outdated. WoW does not come within an AU unit of the content and depth present in EQ1. It still has expansions releasing, adding to that depth.

Seems obvious to me that you started with WoW. I don't mean that in a demeaning way. Just if you really think it has the most depth, then you didn't play any before it...or completely ignore some others that may surpass it because it's your personal favorite. Seems to me anyways. But I could be wrong and you could just be trolling too. /shrug

P.S. WoW's content doesn't take years. Even if you do absolutely everything there is within it. Eve can take years. But I feel mainly due to the skill system where it can take months to train one skill.

"by indepth i mean like the most choices in classes and crafting and skills and of combining skills"

UO, AC, and EVE Online would be my choices.

Ive played everything.

EVE Online is above other MMORPGs by a mile in terms of depth.

Second place I would give to Everquest 2. This game is just crazy in how many things you can do there. 

As usual with any discussion of this sort you'd have define depth and stick to that coherently.

What you describe in your second sentence would only fall under my definition of maybe "granular", not even "varied" or "diverse" because you tied no quality to it. Leave alone depth. Mere quantitiy.

How has the "choice" to spend 5 ability points in 25 slots for say 1-5% more damage or 1-5% chance for double damage or 1-5% lower melee damage, 1-5% lower magic damage  or 2-10% increased elemental damage "more depth" than say the the single choice between a major melee strike or a major healing spell each combineable into comboattacks with your other spells?

I would actually consider the first just "bloated and shallow", even if its like a  million more "possible choices" than the second with two choices. As extreme as the example maybe, but several people actually would call the the prior "deep" on the mere basis of the "number of choices". Its like they gobbled up too much daily PR talk from devs selling rocks as goldnuggets.

Originally posted by rogue187
just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't have depth...it has more content than any game out there...it can ( as a noob) keep you busy for years.. it kept me busy...like i said it depends on your outlook of what "in depth" is...

There is a difference between "busy-work" and "depth".

Originally posted by Banaghran

Originally posted by Maephisto

I think some of you may be aided by understanding the difference between Depth and Complexity.

Watch This

Eve is complex.

I would guess an MMO with depth would be one that has multiple viable builds per class.  Where the process of choosing what synergies you want in your character is a practice of opportunity cost rather than choosing what is most powerful.

Having multiple builds per class would make combat have more depth due to the amount of different abilities that can be brought to the field.  This also makes each individual class take longer to master.

 

Dunno, eve seems deep from the pov of offering different experiences based on your choices.

You can have billions of viable builds (mandatory d3 jab), but if you are still required to supply 10k dps at endgame as everyone else...

Flame on!

:)

 

At what? EVE doesn't have an endgame. yes, doing more dps is better for dps ships...but glass cannons don't do well in eve unless they bring a ton of support and barriade themselves with bubbles so nobody can get close to them.

see the "I was there" video. :)

I don't think any MMO is "deep" in the sense that folks mean it in this thread. MMOs are part of the superficial carrot-stick style of gaming.

Although, well thought out lore and overdone complexity makes many of these games seem deep, but it's mostly an illusion.

Originally posted by rogue187
just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't have depth...it has more content than any game out there...it can ( as a noob) keep you busy for years.. it kept me busy...like i said it depends on your outlook of what "in depth" is...