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  Nanfoodle

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Joined: 5/23/06
Posts: 3710

2/21/13 1:24:37 PM#21
Originally posted by Vesavius

"This seems a bit odd as most of the market is leaning towards the F2P micro-transaction model and it didn’t really do them much good last time around.."

 

oh ffs.. give it a rest eh? First off, no it dosent seem 'strange'. Over half the market is still pure sub based in terms of players, and it is waaay more then that in terms of payers. Plus look at what all the converted 'F2P' MMOs offer... oh yeah, a sub... It's enduring appeal is clear.

 

FFXIV will do just fine on a sub. It's far better to cater to the needs of a niche of paying customers than trying to appeal to the entitled squalling masses of 'F2P' and all the baggage they bring.

 

The revenue model *was not the issue* the first time round. It neither hurt them or hindered them. It had nothing to do with why the game failed for so many. Being F2P would *not* have made the game any better. It was irrelevant, so it not having it this is not 'strange'.

 

Does every article on every sub game here have to continously include the mention of goddam F2P? It's not like you feel the need to wistfully wonder why every crappy original F2P title dosen't have a sub or consider that fact 'strange', despite the facts above.

 

Lets stop this lazy bubble thinking with regards to subs and cash shop gaming from the writters for this site and maybe we can stop writing these kind of repetitive posts (and also questioning the potential agenda at work around here).

 

Sure it should. The MMO market is changing. 15 bucks a month was worth it back in the day when a good chunk of that went to network/server cost. Games werre built from the ground up, now its down with tools that make dev cost and time go way down. People are getting smart and see that 15 a month is not worth it. Also MMOs cant keep up to content to player demands. So many people play 2-5 MMOs. Sub that many games? lol. Better off to go B2P or F2P and change for new content then try and get people to support 2-5 games. B2P and F2P games have proved they can make lots of money without a huge sub and games like DDO make about 5 bucks a month on average per player with their cash shop and do fine on profits. So why 15 a month? So I would sub for 5-8 bucks a month. Why a game out of launch is not going B2P or F2P in this market is down right silly. They are going to have to go down that road most likely to keep up and all the customers that have already paid get ticked when it dose.

Also if its not F2P or B2P I may not even try it, why? From what they have given in the past, I dont see if this game is worth my money. Give me a risk free way to try it and they would win more customers and that makes for a more stable community. Just saying!!!

 
 
  Vesavius

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Joined: 3/08/04
Posts: 7493

Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.

2/21/13 1:31:49 PM#22
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Vesavius

"This seems a bit odd as most of the market is leaning towards the F2P micro-transaction model and it didn’t really do them much good last time around.."

 

oh ffs.. give it a rest eh? First off, no it dosent seem 'strange'. Over half the market is still pure sub based in terms of players, and it is waaay more then that in terms of payers. Plus look at what all the converted 'F2P' MMOs offer... oh yeah, a sub... It's enduring appeal is clear.

 

FFXIV will do just fine on a sub. It's far better to cater to the needs of a niche of paying customers than trying to appeal to the entitled squalling masses of 'F2P' and all the baggage they bring.

 

The revenue model *was not the issue* the first time round. It neither hurt them or hindered them. It had nothing to do with why the game failed for so many. Being F2P would *not* have made the game any better. It was irrelevant, so it not having it this is not 'strange'.

 

Does every article on every sub game here have to continously include the mention of goddam F2P? It's not like you feel the need to wistfully wonder why every crappy original F2P title dosen't have a sub or consider that fact 'strange', despite the facts above.

 

Lets stop this lazy bubble thinking with regards to subs and cash shop gaming from the writters for this site and maybe we can stop writing these kind of repetitive posts (and also questioning the potential agenda at work around here).

 

Sure it should. The MMO market is changing. 15 bucks a month was worth it back in the day.../snip

I am not interested in a discussion about sub vs F2P here, I am simply saying that the sub is still still very strong and every game dosen't have to have 'F2P' to be successful. The continual pushing of the sub as something'strange' is the point, when it clearly has an enduring place in the market here.

Also if its not F2P or B2P I may not even try it, why? From what they have given in the past, I dont see if this game is worth my money. Give me a ricks free way to try it and they would win more customers and that makes for a more stable community.

I am not actually against free trials of games, but you don't need to have 'F2P' to do that. I will also say that if you don't know enough about a game by launch these days as to it's quality of a game and it's suitability to you then maybe you should read a bit on the interweb before purchase. It's not like we are drowned in info, official and not so official, before launch these days or anything...

 

  Nanfoodle

Elite Member

Joined: 5/23/06
Posts: 3710

2/21/13 1:35:28 PM#23
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Vesavius

"This seems a bit odd as most of the market is leaning towards the F2P micro-transaction model and it didn’t really do them much good last time around.."

 

oh ffs.. give it a rest eh? First off, no it dosent seem 'strange'. Over half the market is still pure sub based in terms of players, and it is waaay more then that in terms of payers. Plus look at what all the converted 'F2P' MMOs offer... oh yeah, a sub... It's enduring appeal is clear.

 

FFXIV will do just fine on a sub. It's far better to cater to the needs of a niche of paying customers than trying to appeal to the entitled squalling masses of 'F2P' and all the baggage they bring.

 

The revenue model *was not the issue* the first time round. It neither hurt them or hindered them. It had nothing to do with why the game failed for so many. Being F2P would *not* have made the game any better. It was irrelevant, so it not having it this is not 'strange'.

 

Does every article on every sub game here have to continously include the mention of goddam F2P? It's not like you feel the need to wistfully wonder why every crappy original F2P title dosen't have a sub or consider that fact 'strange', despite the facts above.

 

Lets stop this lazy bubble thinking with regards to subs and cash shop gaming from the writters for this site and maybe we can stop writing these kind of repetitive posts (and also questioning the potential agenda at work around here).

 

Sure it should. The MMO market is changing. 15 bucks a month was worth it back in the day.../snip

I am not interested in a discussion about sub vs F2P here, I am simply saying that the sub is still still very strong and every game dosen't have to have 'F2P' to be successful. The continual pushing of the sub as something'strange' is the point, when it clearly has an enduring place in the market here.

Also if its not F2P or B2P I may not even try it, why? From what they have given in the past, I dont see if this game is worth my money. Give me a ricks free way to try it and they would win more customers and that makes for a more stable community.

I am not actually against free trials of games, but you don't need to have 'F2P' to do that. I will also say that if you don't know enough about a game by launch these days as to it's quality of a game and it's suitability to you then maybe you should read a bit on the interweb before purchase. It's not like we are drowned in info, official and not so official, before launch these days or anything...

 

 

DDO, Neverwinter and GW2 has proved that F2P dose not need to be a low quality game. Trials dont do it for me. Here look at the first 20 levels and now buy my game lol. We MMOers know we dont know the game till we have lived in the elder game for at least a few months. Never seen a trial give a good picture of a MMO.

  Nanfoodle

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Joined: 5/23/06
Posts: 3710

2/21/13 1:42:37 PM#24
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Vesavius

 

 you then maybe you should read a bit on the interweb before purchase. It's not like we are drowned in info, official and not so official, before launch these days or anything...

 

 

I do sales for a living. I can package poop and make you want to buy it. Often devs can get over excited about their games, or lie and the end pakage seems good till you get to things like elder games. Even heard promis as of late of an entire expansion worth of end game content and there was no such thing at all. Sorry to many garbage games and I want a real test drive before I hand out money.

  Vesavius

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Joined: 3/08/04
Posts: 7493

Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.

2/21/13 1:51:04 PM#25
Gah... ignore as well... I hate these forums sometimes :P
  Vesavius

Old School

Joined: 3/08/04
Posts: 7493

Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.

2/21/13 1:56:08 PM#26
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Vesavius

"This seems a bit odd as most of the market is leaning towards the F2P micro-transaction model and it didn’t really do them much good last time around.."

 

oh ffs.. give it a rest eh? First off, no it dosent seem 'strange'. Over half the market is still pure sub based in terms of players, and it is waaay more then that in terms of payers. Plus look at what all the converted 'F2P' MMOs offer... oh yeah, a sub... It's enduring appeal is clear.

 

FFXIV will do just fine on a sub. It's far better to cater to the needs of a niche of paying customers than trying to appeal to the entitled squalling masses of 'F2P' and all the baggage they bring.

 

The revenue model *was not the issue* the first time round. It neither hurt them or hindered them. It had nothing to do with why the game failed for so many. Being F2P would *not* have made the game any better. It was irrelevant, so it not having it this is not 'strange'.

 

Does every article on every sub game here have to continously include the mention of goddam F2P? It's not like you feel the need to wistfully wonder why every crappy original F2P title dosen't have a sub or consider that fact 'strange', despite the facts above.

 

Lets stop this lazy bubble thinking with regards to subs and cash shop gaming from the writters for this site and maybe we can stop writing these kind of repetitive posts (and also questioning the potential agenda at work around here).

 

Sure it should. The MMO market is changing. 15 bucks a month was worth it back in the day.../snip

I am not interested in a discussion about sub vs F2P here, I am simply saying that the sub is still still very strong and every game dosen't have to have 'F2P' to be successful. The continual pushing of the sub as something'strange' is the point, when it clearly has an enduring place in the market here.

Also if its not F2P or B2P I may not even try it, why? From what they have given in the past, I dont see if this game is worth my money. Give me a ricks free way to try it and they would win more customers and that makes for a more stable community.

I am not actually against free trials of games, but you don't need to have 'F2P' to do that. I will also say that if you don't know enough about a game by launch these days as to it's quality of a game and it's suitability to you then maybe you should read a bit on the interweb before purchase. It's not like we are drowned in info, official and not so official, before launch these days or anything...

Trials dont do it for me. Here look at the first 20 levels and now buy my game lol. We MMOers know we dont know the game till we have lived in the elder game for at least a few months. Never seen a trial give a good picture of a MMO.

 

oh boy... we got a freeloader here. You don't want to throw the company any money 'for months'? Months?

Look, maybe this game just isn't for you, and it's time to start looking at one that is?  I can't see SE missing your (non existant) revenue really tbh. They obviously just prefer paying customers at this point and I can't say I blame 'em

 

But look... what i wrote wasn't about you or your preferences. Can we stop putting you centre stage for a minute?

 

What I qrote was about the continous promotion of the sub as 'archaic' or 'strange' on this site, when clearly it is neither.

 

If we can get back on topic and not make it all about you for a bit I would be grateful.

  Nyrrho

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Joined: 10/23/05
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2/21/13 1:58:08 PM#27

Dear Square Enix;

 

  Nanfoodle

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Joined: 5/23/06
Posts: 3710

2/21/13 1:59:06 PM#28
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Vesavius

"This seems a bit odd as most of the market is leaning towards the F2P micro-transaction model and it didn’t really do them much good last time around.."

 

oh ffs.. give it a rest eh? First off, no it dosent seem 'strange'. Over half the market is still pure sub based in terms of players, and it is waaay more then that in terms of payers. Plus look at what all the converted 'F2P' MMOs offer... oh yeah, a sub... It's enduring appeal is clear.

 

FFXIV will do just fine on a sub. It's far better to cater to the needs of a niche of paying customers than trying to appeal to the entitled squalling masses of 'F2P' and all the baggage they bring.

 

The revenue model *was not the issue* the first time round. It neither hurt them or hindered them. It had nothing to do with why the game failed for so many. Being F2P would *not* have made the game any better. It was irrelevant, so it not having it this is not 'strange'.

 

Does every article on every sub game here have to continously include the mention of goddam F2P? It's not like you feel the need to wistfully wonder why every crappy original F2P title dosen't have a sub or consider that fact 'strange', despite the facts above.

 

Lets stop this lazy bubble thinking with regards to subs and cash shop gaming from the writters for this site and maybe we can stop writing these kind of repetitive posts (and also questioning the potential agenda at work around here).

 

Sure it should. The MMO market is changing. 15 bucks a month was worth it back in the day.../snip

I am not interested in a discussion about sub vs F2P here, I am simply saying that the sub is still still very strong and every game dosen't have to have 'F2P' to be successful. The continual pushing of the sub as something'strange' is the point, when it clearly has an enduring place in the market here.

Also if its not F2P or B2P I may not even try it, why? From what they have given in the past, I dont see if this game is worth my money. Give me a ricks free way to try it and they would win more customers and that makes for a more stable community.

I am not actually against free trials of games, but you don't need to have 'F2P' to do that. I will also say that if you don't know enough about a game by launch these days as to it's quality of a game and it's suitability to you then maybe you should read a bit on the interweb before purchase. It's not like we are drowned in info, official and not so official, before launch these days or anything...

Trials dont do it for me. Here look at the first 20 levels and now buy my game lol. We MMOers know we dont know the game till we have lived in the elder game for at least a few months. Never seen a trial give a good picture of a MMO.

 

oh boy... we got a freeloader here. You don't want to throw the company any money 'for months'? Months?

Look, maybe this game just isn't for you, and it's time to start looking at one that is?  I can't see SE missing your (non existant) revenue really tbh. They obviously just prefer paying customers at this point and I can't say I blame 'em.

 

No freeloader, been MMOing as long as anyone can. I have put more money into this market then most. GW2 being B2P got their box price and I messed in their cash shop as much as I felt they should for the product they gave me. When they give me content I feel is worth playing I will pay for that as well. IMO thats the way to keep customers. Why have I not gona back to WoW and other such games that I subbed to for years and years? Because IMO and for many, 15 bucks a month is not a current market value. If my wife and I could sub for 16 bucks a month I would, family plans, longer you sub the less you pay, B2P, F2P with cash shop are not freeloading. Its being fair for the market we live in now. If your not questioning it then you have been trained to and lied to.

  Valentina

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2/21/13 2:20:15 PM#29
Should be buy to play with a cash shop.
  shingoukieh

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2/21/13 2:25:30 PM#30
GW2, tera,swtor,tsw, other p2p or b2p games...been burned alot in the mmo world....this is my last attempt at finding a decent mmo besides eve. If this game is bad...im done with themepark games. only way i will play another themepark is if i can get into beta or if its free to play..i will not blindly buy another one if this one fails me
  Nanfoodle

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2/21/13 2:27:28 PM#31
Originally posted by shingoukieh
GW2, tera,swtor,tsw, other p2p or b2p games...been burned alot in the mmo world....this is my last attempt at finding a decent mmo besides eve. If this game is bad...im done with themepark games. only way i will play another themepark is if i can get into beta or if its free to play..i will not blindly buy another one if this one fails me

I think you maybe putting your eggs in the wrong basket if thats how you feel. May want to try Elder Scrolls Online or WIldstar before you give up on themeparks.

  Cheboygan

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2/21/13 2:48:11 PM#32

from three of the four pictures i could gather that they have exactly 2 kinds of trees  

one of the big issues on the previous release was the constant reuse of the same "assets" - the claim that this has been vastly improved seems false to me - might be a bit much to draw from these few pictues but this casts a giant shadow to me - - - immersion is very hard to maintain (and i do get immersed easily be it book, movie or game) when you trot by the same rock, tree, bush, hill over and over and over

  ICEBLUE

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2/21/13 2:52:21 PM#33

What strikes me odd is the fact that no real consideration is being given to those of us who invested in the box the last time. I have a the colectors box of all things, hehe.

When registering for Beta they dont seem to consider this, you would think they would ask former purchasers into beta before opening it up to new players interested in jus ttaking a look at it..

I guess we wait and see how it goes.

  Nanfoodle

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2/21/13 2:55:24 PM#34
Originally posted by ICEBLUE

What strikes me odd is the fact that no real consideration is being given to those of us who invested in the box the last time. I have a the colectors box of all things, hehe.

When registering for Beta they dont seem to consider this, you would think they would ask former purchasers into beta before opening it up to new players interested in jus ttaking a look at it..

I guess we wait and see how it goes.

 

That would have been a smart move IMO as well. =-\

  Vorthanion

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2/21/13 2:59:46 PM#35
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Vesavius

"This seems a bit odd as most of the market is leaning towards the F2P micro-transaction model and it didn’t really do them much good last time around.."

 

oh ffs.. give it a rest eh? First off, no it dosent seem 'strange'. Over half the market is still pure sub based in terms of players, and it is waaay more then that in terms of payers. Plus look at what all the converted 'F2P' MMOs offer... oh yeah, a sub... It's enduring appeal is clear.

 

FFXIV will do just fine on a sub. It's far better to cater to the needs of a niche of paying customers than trying to appeal to the entitled squalling masses of 'F2P' and all the baggage they bring.

 

The revenue model *was not the issue* the first time round. It neither hurt them or hindered them. It had nothing to do with why the game failed for so many. Being F2P would *not* have made the game any better. It was irrelevant, so it not having it this is not 'strange'.

 

Does every article on every sub game here have to continously include the mention of goddam F2P? It's not like you feel the need to wistfully wonder why every crappy original F2P title dosen't have a sub or consider that fact 'strange', despite the facts above.

 

Lets stop this lazy bubble thinking with regards to subs and cash shop gaming from the writters for this site and maybe we can stop writing these kind of repetitive posts (and also questioning the potential agenda at work around here).

 

Sure it should. The MMO market is changing. 15 bucks a month was worth it back in the day.../snip

I am not interested in a discussion about sub vs F2P here, I am simply saying that the sub is still still very strong and every game dosen't have to have 'F2P' to be successful. The continual pushing of the sub as something'strange' is the point, when it clearly has an enduring place in the market here.

Also if its not F2P or B2P I may not even try it, why? From what they have given in the past, I dont see if this game is worth my money. Give me a ricks free way to try it and they would win more customers and that makes for a more stable community.

I am not actually against free trials of games, but you don't need to have 'F2P' to do that. I will also say that if you don't know enough about a game by launch these days as to it's quality of a game and it's suitability to you then maybe you should read a bit on the interweb before purchase. It's not like we are drowned in info, official and not so official, before launch these days or anything...

 

 

DDO, Neverwinter and GW2 has proved that F2P dose not need to be a low quality game. Trials dont do it for me. Here look at the first 20 levels and now buy my game lol. We MMOers know we dont know the game till we have lived in the elder game for at least a few months. Never seen a trial give a good picture of a MMO.

I didn't like DDO or GW2 and I certainly don't like the looks of NW either.  Cryptic is on my do not play list after trying CoH, CO and STO.  The only game I have tried so far that was built as F2P from the ground up and still had some half way decent quality was Planetside 2 and I lasted for all of a month and a half, during and after beta.  Subscription based games continue to be the quality powerhouses they have always been.  All of the games that I have played that started subscription and evolved to F2P have gone down in quality and quantity of content and patches.

  guin10

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2/21/13 3:09:32 PM#36

Thx Square-Enix for care about us (americans and europeans).

 

- beta in the same day for all regions.

- worldwide release.

- patches/updates in the same day for all regions.

 

I'm tired of all other publishers (ncsoft, en masse, etc...). They need months to bring content to US and Europe; they release their games a lot a of months after the asian release. The team behind the game doesn't listen to feefback from americans and europeans.

 

A lot of people talk about ArcheAge. Really?

 

 

 

 
 
  McGamer

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2/21/13 3:13:48 PM#37
Why do so many Eastern MMOs use that annoying granular texture for terraign? I have never understood that and it usually is the dead giveaway when looking at a screenshot that its from an Eastern game.
  Kaneth

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2/21/13 3:49:25 PM#38

I think going sub for a re-release of a previously failed mmo is a huge mistake on SE's part. B2P would have been a more sensible approach, considering how utterly craptastic the first version of this game was. SE has lost a ton of credibility over the past number years, with sub-par releases and questionable decisions. They are carrying on with questionable decision making by sticking to the sub based business model.

  Vesavius

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2/21/13 3:59:57 PM#39
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Vesavius

"This seems a bit odd as most of the market is leaning towards the F2P micro-transaction model and it didn’t really do them much good last time around.."

 

oh ffs.. give it a rest eh? First off, no it dosent seem 'strange'. Over half the market is still pure sub based in terms of players, and it is waaay more then that in terms of payers. Plus look at what all the converted 'F2P' MMOs offer... oh yeah, a sub... It's enduring appeal is clear.

 

FFXIV will do just fine on a sub. It's far better to cater to the needs of a niche of paying customers than trying to appeal to the entitled squalling masses of 'F2P' and all the baggage they bring.

 

The revenue model *was not the issue* the first time round. It neither hurt them or hindered them. It had nothing to do with why the game failed for so many. Being F2P would *not* have made the game any better. It was irrelevant, so it not having it this is not 'strange'.

 

Does every article on every sub game here have to continously include the mention of goddam F2P? It's not like you feel the need to wistfully wonder why every crappy original F2P title dosen't have a sub or consider that fact 'strange', despite the facts above.

 

Lets stop this lazy bubble thinking with regards to subs and cash shop gaming from the writters for this site and maybe we can stop writing these kind of repetitive posts (and also questioning the potential agenda at work around here).

 

Sure it should. The MMO market is changing. 15 bucks a month was worth it back in the day.../snip

I am not interested in a discussion about sub vs F2P here, I am simply saying that the sub is still still very strong and every game dosen't have to have 'F2P' to be successful. The continual pushing of the sub as something'strange' is the point, when it clearly has an enduring place in the market here.

Also if its not F2P or B2P I may not even try it, why? From what they have given in the past, I dont see if this game is worth my money. Give me a ricks free way to try it and they would win more customers and that makes for a more stable community.

I am not actually against free trials of games, but you don't need to have 'F2P' to do that. I will also say that if you don't know enough about a game by launch these days as to it's quality of a game and it's suitability to you then maybe you should read a bit on the interweb before purchase. It's not like we are drowned in info, official and not so official, before launch these days or anything...

Trials dont do it for me. Here look at the first 20 levels and now buy my game lol. We MMOers know we dont know the game till we have lived in the elder game for at least a few months. Never seen a trial give a good picture of a MMO.

 

oh boy... we got a freeloader here. You don't want to throw the company any money 'for months'? Months?

Look, maybe this game just isn't for you, and it's time to start looking at one that is?  I can't see SE missing your (non existant) revenue really tbh. They obviously just prefer paying customers at this point and I can't say I blame 'em.

 

No freeloader, been MMOing as long as anyone can. Because IMO and for many, 15 bucks a month is not a current market value

 

well, millions disagree, because  millions obviously think it is.

Look, you like playing games for 'months' for free (your words), I get that, but what I am saying is three things...

1. The sub model is desired in the modern market, it is valid, and it offers another section of players what they want. The evidence is overwhelming that it is an enduring robust revenue model that the Western market needs to survive.

2. This website needs to start portraying the sub model as a valid and modern choice, because that's exactly what it is, and stop trying to promote the feckless thinking that cash shops are somehow more 'futuristic'. One has to wonder what the drive is in this in fact... What is there to gain by relentessly reinforcing a certain perception in a commercial environment?

3. It's not all about you bro.

 

That all aside, right now SE has to ask themselves one set of questions.... who do I want playing my game? Noisy demanding freeloaders that want to play for *months* for free, who will probably leave once paying becomes required, or do I want a smaller *paying* player base that will most liely be far less transient and more invested in what we are doing?

I am proud of them for choosing the latter.

There are plenty of so called 'F2P' games out there for you. Go play 'em.

  Murugan

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2/21/13 6:58:51 PM#40
Originally posted by ICEBLUE

What strikes me odd is the fact that no real consideration is being given to those of us who invested in the box the last time. I have a the colectors box of all things, hehe.

When registering for Beta they dont seem to consider this, you would think they would ask former purchasers into beta before opening it up to new players interested in jus ttaking a look at it..

I guess we wait and see how it goes.

I have no idea how you missed this, unless this (pretty lackluster) article is the only thing you ahve read on FFXIV in the past year but....

 

Anyone who invested in the box got:

 

-Over a year of free playtime in 1.0 to see the new teams changes.

-In Closed Beta as of phase 3 (first 2 are Gridania only)

-Free copy of ARR

-30 Days free after the official launch (on top of however long beta 3 and 4 last)

 

So yes they did give real consideration to those of us who invested in the box last time.

 

Also peopel who subscribed to FFXIV v1 for 90 days or more got into version one of the beta, their names in the credits (if they wanted), and a lifetime discount on the subscription.

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