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  thark

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2/20/13 4:08:40 PM#41







Originally posted by Nadia














Originally posted by koboldfodder







The solution is to wait until there are a lot of other reviews out there, and then compare what she wrote to what others have written.









gamespy gave a mediocre review








but gamespy at least covered many the games features (unlike the mmorpg.com review)








 








http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/wizardry-online/1227380p1.html








herein lies much of the fun of Wizardry. Angry at that punk who keeps ganking you and your friends? Put a bounty on his head and send an army of high-level players running after him.








Permadeath in these cases becomes a case of revenge; with so many players out to kill the intended target, there's a good chance that he or she will fail one of the resurrection attempts and fade away to ash forever. Considering the potential for non-stop ganking Wizardry Online's template brings with it, that's a remarkable way to keep it balanced.















 








 This review was good and right on the spot ..3.5 out of 5 stars thats not mediocre, and If you read trough it, he actually praises some of it's merits, like the combat for instance..But just like most of the players here that is somewhat positive towards this game , we all blame the horrendeus start of the game--just like this review at gamespy..This is an honest review .




.not the one here at MMORPG'com because she hardly played it past the tutorial..











 




 

  Ozivois

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2/20/13 5:18:04 PM#42
The permadeath feature is a stupid gimmick and serves no real value to the game. The comment above doesnt address the bigger issue of the inevitable death squads of gankers since it is a million times easier to find random victims to gank than it is to find your prior prior ganker to exact revenge. Also, the game is impossible to solo but trivial when in a balanced party.  No challenge in either case.

 

  Dreamo84

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I actually still like MMORPGs

2/20/13 5:26:52 PM#43
This game is old school in every way. Including the controls and graphics, what a piece of garbage. Seriously, i'm pretty nice when it comes to my opinions of games but this one just has no redeeming factors.

  Razeekster

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May the game be ever in your favor.

2/20/13 6:36:53 PM#44
I really tried to like this game, I did, but there is just no excuse for it. It's terrible, glitchy, unpolished, grindy, boring, and has little to zero innovation. This coming from a fan of the Wizardry series.

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  Yizle

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2/20/13 7:11:31 PM#45

Originally posted by Margrave

Tried it, didnt care for it, moved on....

 


That is about where I was with it. The almost permadeath was fine but there was nothing great or even above average with the game to me.


  patlefort

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2/20/13 7:32:34 PM#46
I tried it a bit and the combat controls are just crappy. They felt more controller/console oriented. They should have copy pasted from TERA or RaiderZ. Overall feel like your cheap F2P asian MMO.
  Mysk

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2/20/13 8:22:51 PM#47

Too many technical problems.  Getting stuck on objects and killed.  Getting rubber banned back into attacking mobs, when you dodged with more than enough time to avoid the attack.  Flaky controls in general.




It's a great idea and Wizardry is a very good series, but this game has too many issues that would be annoying under normal circumstances.  That it has permadeath and these issues happen is simply too frustrating.





 


I probably don't follow the threads that I post in. If you want me to see a response then feel free to PM me.

  Dexter2010

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2/20/13 8:44:06 PM#48
LOL "Demented + pimento = Dimento" reminds me of Rift's ultimate evil, Regulos = The Regular. Neither can be uttered without laughter.
  Zeprimus

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2/20/13 10:27:09 PM#49
I tried this game for a little bit (that meaning about an hour). It has some cool concepts in it, but so many basic aspects of the game were a turn off. Cool features only work when they rest on a good game; without that, they're just slightly enjoyable things buried in something I don't want to play.

  Kalstark

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2/21/13 5:27:35 AM#50
i love how theres still so manty people that still hate WoW with a passion but do nothing but compare everything to it, how pathetic can you be?

  CyclopsSlayer

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2/21/13 6:21:05 AM#51
I cannot but agree to almost everything said above. Pathetic, clunky, poorly designed, poorly implemented, and most importantly BORING!
I loved the original Wizardry series, this does nothing but tarnish those memories.
  Tekkaman

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2/21/13 9:30:26 AM#52

Originally posted by firelilyx

The game looked like crikey from the beginning but what I really don't get about the review is this:




"I really like the idea of an eventual permadeath; a final, oops-you-blew-it-one-too-many-times point of no return"




Why? Do you like frustration, punishment  and repetition so much?




Sometimes I hear that people like permadeath mechanics because it makes it more "real", but  permadeath doesn't bring the game closer to any real life stakes because everything else about it is game-like so it's still unrealistic. It's just annoyance for the sake of annoyance.



























 






















 










 




 


Permadeath makes you have to play a real game, not Call of Duty.


 


Not punishing people for stupidity keeps people from hating each other more than they already do by either weeding out idiots or by making people actually pay attention. The choice is theirs.


  DKTuesday

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2/21/13 10:12:58 AM#53

Originally posted by Xepo




Originally posted by Dorrian



After reading this It seems like 








1. You didnt give the game a fair shot from the start.








2. You didnt play any class long enough to get a more accurate idea of how they play.








The game has a learning curve and its not forgiving. Your not being spoon fed they way they do now in almost every other mmo.








This game is a great change of pace from the same ol WoW clones.











 




I played the beta also and left after a short time never to return. How long do you have to roll around in shit before you know you don't like it? This game just under-performs on so many levels. If it was 1985 this game would have felt like the next best thing, BUT it is not and this game failed.





 


I really really really wish there was a like button.  You sir have made my day, and I have a sinus infection right now.  So kudos to you!


Also to the one person that said she was wrong for calling the losing stats thing stupid...work on your reading skills.  She said she didn't understand why her fighter had to get stupid to get better.  Not that it was stupid.  Granted there is a purpose to losing the stat, but still...she didn't say it was actually stupid.  She just didn't like it.


I like the original Wizardry better to be honest.  Furthermore, I feel that the UI and controls in the original game were better than the UI and controls in this game.  A game should be difficult, because it is difficult.  A game shouldn't be difficult, because of poor design (e.g. camera controls).  Just how I feel.


I'm glad some people enjoyed it.  I hope it does well cause I liked the series, mostly the more classic style.  Honestly, I don't bother with reviews most times anyways.  You gotta try it out for yourself.  If you like it, you like it.  If you don't like it, you don't.  Just not for me unfortunately.


Permadeath doesn't weed out idiots.  I know.  I play a lot of tabletop rpgs.  Stupid people just re-roll and continue with the stupidity.  Stupidity is rather persistent.  Just saying.


  JimmyYO

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2/21/13 11:25:37 AM#54

Originally posted by kaiserxxx

Wait what? so now reviewers can review a full MMORPG only throught the first 20-30 minutes of gameplay? Thats quite the achievement if you ask me.








Many gameplay facets weren't mentionned ( mult classing, bounty system). Wasn't a game reviews supposed to show everything about a game and criticise it and point out pro/con?








Comon for the love of god this isn't an FPS that you can review after 15 minutes of gameplay.



Got some deillusional posts here. Listen guys if the game is terrible for the first 2 hours then it is terrible in general because that's all 95% of players are going to give the game. If it doesn't grab you in that time span then chances are it's not going to make some huge comeback later. And lets face it, indepth Wizardry online is not good enough to overcome it's many many flaws. I'd say this game is easily as bad as FFXIV though at least SoE didn't spend a fortune to make this trainwreck.


  Theocritus

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2/21/13 1:14:56 PM#55
Alot of people are bagging on the reviewer, but why should that person spend tons of time on one game (remember these guys review alot of games) when the game stinks right off the bat?? Sure you probably see stuff after 100 hours of playing that we don't see after one hour but msot of us aren't going to play a terrible game hoping it gets better at some point......SOE understands as much as any company that you have to grab people quickly in MMOs.......YOu get one chance with msot of us at a good first impression....If that first impression is poor, we aren't coming back...Theres too many other options out there in 2013 to play what we perceive are bad games.
  shawn19606

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2/21/13 1:37:23 PM#56
I'm just in the first dungeon now and trying to give this game a chance but it's hard to do so. I hear a few saying it has some decent gameplay if you level a bit but if it's this bad starting off I'm wondering how much of my time I want to waist on this thing. The graphics and ui seem on par with the last Wizardry game which was like 2001 if I remember right. I'm going to try to give it a few more hours playtime to see if I can forsee any fun in playing this game. So far it's not doing anything for me.
  shawn19606

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2/21/13 1:40:50 PM#57
I havn't really figured out the permadeath penalty either. When you die you have to run from your body to a statue like thing and then rez. You can autoport there every so often for a penalty. I think sometimes you just have a chance of "not rezzing". And that's it for that toon. So technically you could die once and not be able to rez. Another reason why this game is probably not worth me putting any more time into. Stupid feature. I guess it's rare but can happen.
  jarzium

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2/25/13 3:50:44 AM#58
tried it over the weekend. it isn't the worst game in the market but nothing that entices me to go deeper into the game. 
  thark

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2/25/13 3:56:50 AM#59
Originally posted by shawn19606
I havn't really figured out the permadeath penalty either. When you die you have to run from your body to a statue like thing and then rez. You can autoport there every so often for a penalty. I think sometimes you just have a chance of "not rezzing". And that's it for that toon. So technically you could die once and not be able to rez. Another reason why this game is probably not worth me putting any more time into. Stupid feature. I guess it's rare but can happen.

 If you autoport, that is a good start to lower your chances to revive, besides the statue is NEVER far away , unless you actually forgot to click the statues on your way inside a dungeon.

Permadeath can ONLY happen if you are CARELESS and doesn't pay attention, atleast that is for the early 15 levels or so..It's not stupid, It makes you really care for your characther, besides the legacy lives on true the soul system, soul levels earnt by your characthers are shared by all characthers and stays even efter one of you has passed away..

  madjackred

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3/03/13 2:42:04 PM#60
In a way, I'm glad this one turned out "meh."  Not a petty-spiteful thing, but simply glad I'm not missing out on something that I'd enjoy if it weren't for the "you don't heal without potions or a priest, we designed it to be expensive or difficult to play solo."  I grew up chewing my way through the Wizardry franchise, so this mitigates my dissapointment a bit.  Kind of like when you don't get around to catching a movie in the theater, but learn later that no big deal, it sucked anyway...
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