Originally posted by Deto123

Originally posted by Fendel84M

Originally posted by Pivotelite

Originally posted by Fendel84M
I'd honestly say GW2 has a good chance at growing to WoW like numbers. It seems to be the only MMO since WoW thats actually gaining momentum since launch, rather than losing it.

 It's definitely not gaining momentum. But it's not dying rapidly like most new MMOs either.

and I'd disagree that its not gaining momentum.

You are kidding right? Never ques on servers, WvW is fairly empty, and guilds are dissolving left and right. Compared to launch, it s definately not growing.

And now add a 15 dollar subscription to GW2 and see the activity after a few months ...

Duh ...at least compare a subscription  based game with other subscription based games ... Euhhh if you can find them these days ...

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Originally posted by cybertrucker
an IP is not going to dethrone WOW..because over half of their registered users are from Asia and registered once and will be counted forever, even if they never play again and half of those are gold sellers.

That's completely false.  For the purpose of the Asian market, a subscriber is an account that had an active prepaid time card during the last month.  If they didn't have one active, they aren't counted under the subscriber numbers.  But sure, keep the misinformation and fearmongering alive.

Originally posted by sportsfan

Originally posted by Loke666

Almost any IP with a good enough game could. Do you really care that much if you adventure in Azeroth, middle earth, Fearun, the old world or whatever?

World of warcrafts strenght was never the IP, it is at best average. The Blizzard mark on the game is more important than the IP...

Wow is ageing and have been loosing players a long time, someone will dethrone it pretty soon and it is not really the IP that is most important there.

The new game needs to be well made, fun to play (for the average gamer) and easy enough so anyone can play it.

 Always nice one can click on the history button. Here is the 6 year old link of this "future teller"..... in 2007

"Wow will lose players to those games because right now there isn't much competion. Blizzard will be forced to restructure the game a lot and add more content. They will also have to buff up the graphic a lot. If Blizzard spend some of the kazillion money they gotten they can still be the leading game in a few years but eventually every great game declines.

My guess would be a million players by 2010 unless they make a really big change and then 100K by 2015"

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/userPosts/724170/page/1501

Talking about a GW2 viral marketer getting owned by his own claims ...

Of course nobody could know in 2007 WOW would have 9.6 million subs in 2013. The big sruprise though is that all the rest went free to play ... and hasn't got subs anymore...

Dethrone in what ? Meaningless forum posts ?

I'll defend him here.

All of that was spot-on. They did all of the things he predicted, and that takes care of the caveat to his prediction. The restructuring, adding of content, buffed up graphics all equal the really big changes I think he was saying could effect his prediction. 

In addition, in the larger sense, he is still correct. The changes have kept them solidly in the lead, but, signs are showing some population slipping - so as he said, eventually, every game declines. 

I still think they have several more years on top - *and here's my disclaimer* barring anything unexpected.

Originally posted by Zorgo.

 

I still think they have several more years on top - *and here's my disclaimer* barring anything unexpected.

lol, so since you expect them to have several more years on top... if they dont it would be unexpected and therefore you would still be right. 

Originally posted by Loke666

Almost any IP with a good enough game could. Do you really care that much if you adventure in Azeroth, middle earth, Fearun, the old world or whatever?

World of warcrafts strenght was never the IP, it is at best average. The Blizzard mark on the game is more important than the IP...

Wow is ageing and have been loosing players a long time, someone will dethrone it pretty soon and it is not really the IP that is most important there.

The new game needs to be well made, fun to play (for the average gamer) and easy enough so anyone can play it.

The Warcraft IP is the biggest strength to me, the lore is absolutely outstanding...

Originally posted by Cromica
Only Blizzard can kill WoW

I agree 100%

The game has too strong of a foothold in the industry now.

Warhammer 40k

Pokemon

Originally posted by craftseeker

Originally posted by Zorgo.

 

I still think they have several more years on top - *and here's my disclaimer* barring anything unexpected.

lol, so since you expect them to have several more years on top... if they dont it would be unexpected and therefore you would still be right. 

 

.....I guess I should clarify;

WoW could lose a million people a year and still have several years on top.

Anything more than that would be way beyond my expectations.

IP that could kill WoW? Ultima Online

Get Raph Koster and Rich Vogel, throw a cool 30 million their way and allow them total creative freedom to put together a team and make whatever they so desire, no restrictions. And if they wanted to start a kickstarter page, I'll be the first to throw them money!

And as far as WoW slowly dying..that's like saying the sun will eventually burn out compared to all other mmos being a lighted match.