In a traditional MMORPG, you run around picking up quests and doing the quests.  A quest asks you to kill ten rats or go talk to some particular NPC or go kill some particular boss or whatever.  One problem with this approach is that some of the quests are bugged.  You need to kill a boss that won't spawn.  You need to give something to an NPC who won't respond to you.  You do what a quest said to do and it mysteriously won't give you credit.  You need to escort an NPC who finds creative ways to die.  (Actually, that last one might be working as intended, but it's still really annoying.)

Guild Wars 2 fixed that problem and we didn't even notice.  Sure, some of the dynamic events are buggy.  But those are more a replacement for the public quests that a few games have dabbled in, and not the traditional exclamation mark over the head quests.  I like dynamic events, but that's not what this thread is about.

Rather, renown hearts are Guild Wars 2's replacement for traditional quests.  What makes renown hearts different is that rather than having to do one particular thing that might be broken or scaled to be unreasonably difficult, you get your choice of several different things that might be broken or scaled to be unreasonably difficult.  Why is this such a good thing?  Because if you have four choices, of which one is broken and three work fine, then you can ignore the broken one and do the other three.  The odds that all four will independently be broken are very slim.

Originally posted by Quizzical

In a traditional MMORPG, you run around picking up quests and doing the quests.  A quest asks you to kill ten rats or go talk to some particular NPC or go kill some particular boss or whatever.  One problem with this approach is that some of the quests are bugged.  You need to kill a boss that won't spawn.  You need to give something to an NPC who won't respond to you.  You do what a quest said to do and it mysteriously won't give you credit.  You need to escort an NPC who finds creative ways to die.  (Actually, that last one might be working as intended, but it's still really annoying.)

Guild Wars 2 fixed that problem and we didn't even notice.  Sure, some of the dynamic events are buggy.  But those are more a replacement for the public quests that a few games have dabbled in, and not the traditional exclamation mark over the head quests.  I like dynamic events, but that's not what this thread is about.

Rather, renown hearts are Guild Wars 2's replacement for traditional quests.  What makes renown hearts different is that rather than having to do one particular thing that might be broken or scaled to be unreasonably difficult, you get your choice of several different things that might be broken or scaled to be unreasonably difficult.  Why is this such a good thing?  Because if you have four choices, of which one is broken and three work fine, then you can ignore the broken one and do the other three.  The odds that all four will independently be broken are very slim.

I would say that its just a by product of them offering more ways to finish quest instead only one like in "traditional" quests.

Originally posted by mikahr

Originally posted by Quizzical

In a traditional MMORPG, you run around picking up quests and doing the quests.  A quest asks you to kill ten rats or go talk to some particular NPC or go kill some particular boss or whatever.  One problem with this approach is that some of the quests are bugged.  You need to kill a boss that won't spawn.  You need to give something to an NPC who won't respond to you.  You do what a quest said to do and it mysteriously won't give you credit.  You need to escort an NPC who finds creative ways to die.  (Actually, that last one might be working as intended, but it's still really annoying.)

Guild Wars 2 fixed that problem and we didn't even notice.  Sure, some of the dynamic events are buggy.  But those are more a replacement for the public quests that a few games have dabbled in, and not the traditional exclamation mark over the head quests.  I like dynamic events, but that's not what this thread is about.

Rather, renown hearts are Guild Wars 2's replacement for traditional quests.  What makes renown hearts different is that rather than having to do one particular thing that might be broken or scaled to be unreasonably difficult, you get your choice of several different things that might be broken or scaled to be unreasonably difficult.  Why is this such a good thing?  Because if you have four choices, of which one is broken and three work fine, then you can ignore the broken one and do the other three.  The odds that all four will independently be broken are very slim.

I would say that its just a by product of them offering more ways to finish quest instead only one like in "traditional" quests.

This.

When playing WoW I don't remember ever coming across a quest I couldn't complete because it was buggy and I've played it since the beginning.

Originally posted by Fluxii
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firstly  i do agree  there arnt enough  heart quests to help you  level up in one area  but the  good news is  there are multiple other things you can do to level     

and i agree i wouldnt pay a sub 

because thats because  guild wars 2   has shown me that no mmo requires a sub 

no single  mmo offers me £15 a month of more entertainment than guild wars 2  so why pay it

id be very intrested in knowing what   mmo you are playing at  the moment

Originally posted by fivoroth

Originally posted by mikahr

Originally posted by Quizzical

In a traditional MMORPG, you run around picking up quests and doing the quests.  A quest asks you to kill ten rats or go talk to some particular NPC or go kill some particular boss or whatever.  One problem with this approach is that some of the quests are bugged.  You need to kill a boss that won't spawn.  You need to give something to an NPC who won't respond to you.  You do what a quest said to do and it mysteriously won't give you credit.  You need to escort an NPC who finds creative ways to die.  (Actually, that last one might be working as intended, but it's still really annoying.)

Guild Wars 2 fixed that problem and we didn't even notice.  Sure, some of the dynamic events are buggy.  But those are more a replacement for the public quests that a few games have dabbled in, and not the traditional exclamation mark over the head quests.  I like dynamic events, but that's not what this thread is about.

Rather, renown hearts are Guild Wars 2's replacement for traditional quests.  What makes renown hearts different is that rather than having to do one particular thing that might be broken or scaled to be unreasonably difficult, you get your choice of several different things that might be broken or scaled to be unreasonably difficult.  Why is this such a good thing?  Because if you have four choices, of which one is broken and three work fine, then you can ignore the broken one and do the other three.  The odds that all four will independently be broken are very slim.

I would say that its just a by product of them offering more ways to finish quest instead only one like in "traditional" quests.

This.

When playing WoW I don't remember ever coming across a quest I couldn't complete because it was buggy and I've played it since the beginning.

are you joking?

Originally posted by zimboy69

Originally posted by fivoroth

Originally posted by mikahr

Originally posted by Quizzical

In a traditional MMORPG, you run around picking up quests and doing the quests.  A quest asks you to kill ten rats or go talk to some particular NPC or go kill some particular boss or whatever.  One problem with this approach is that some of the quests are bugged.  You need to kill a boss that won't spawn.  You need to give something to an NPC who won't respond to you.  You do what a quest said to do and it mysteriously won't give you credit.  You need to escort an NPC who finds creative ways to die.  (Actually, that last one might be working as intended, but it's still really annoying.)

Guild Wars 2 fixed that problem and we didn't even notice.  Sure, some of the dynamic events are buggy.  But those are more a replacement for the public quests that a few games have dabbled in, and not the traditional exclamation mark over the head quests.  I like dynamic events, but that's not what this thread is about.

Rather, renown hearts are Guild Wars 2's replacement for traditional quests.  What makes renown hearts different is that rather than having to do one particular thing that might be broken or scaled to be unreasonably difficult, you get your choice of several different things that might be broken or scaled to be unreasonably difficult.  Why is this such a good thing?  Because if you have four choices, of which one is broken and three work fine, then you can ignore the broken one and do the other three.  The odds that all four will independently be broken are very slim.

I would say that its just a by product of them offering more ways to finish quest instead only one like in "traditional" quests.

This.

When playing WoW I don't remember ever coming across a quest I couldn't complete because it was buggy and I've played it since the beginning.

are you joking?

I'd like to know if he/she was joking too.  I came across quite a number in Wotlk alone.  Just because you don't remember it happening doesn't mean it didn't.

Originally posted by Fluxii

STOP! with the Fanboi'ism.

Seriously.  This is getting SO old.  I play the game to but I am so sick of people saying how great and revolutionary this game is... it's NOT.

Guess what, TONS of hearts and DE's are broken all the time.

Guess what else? There aren't enough hearts in any given area to level though.  Given the current state of 10-70 DE's barely trigger in most so you're stuck either GRINDING, crafting, pvp/wvw'ing, going and doing other zones hearts cuz ONE ZONE doesn't cut it, then bouncing back... there isn't a "normal flow".

What did this game do but steal a few ideas and dumb things down a bit more?  Yea it's fun for what it is and has no sub, but I bet 95% of the population wouldn't play if it had a sub model, not a chance in hell.

Enough with the OMGGW2IZtehBESTESTevar!

Its great and revolutionary. IT IS.

I havent come across any "broken heart" (ha ha ah) and ive been all over. Come across very few broken DEs. Very few. COnsidered the number of them that are available id say good job.

Thats pretty much because those arent really ment to level you "through". Just filler between good stuff and for map completition. You got that right. Ive been leveling an alt lately and DEs fire all over wherever i go.

No MMO gave me 15$ worth of anything/month. When expansion finally comes out - poof - give us another 40-50$ ON TOP of sub. Its fooltax. Its VERY unlikely ill play sub in MMO again. Unless they deliver content on weekly basis, have no bugs whatsoever, immediate GM responses, free call line to customer service worldwide...

Good day to you too.

Originally posted by Fluxii

STOP! with the Fanboi'ism.

Seriously.  This is getting SO old.  I play the game to but I am so sick of people saying how great and revolutionary this game is... it's NOT.

Guess what, TONS of hearts and DE's are broken all the time.

Guess what else? There aren't enough hearts in any given area to level though.  Given the current state of 10-70 DE's barely trigger in most so you're stuck either GRINDING, crafting, pvp/wvw'ing, going and doing other zones hearts cuz ONE ZONE doesn't cut it, then bouncing back... there isn't a "normal flow".

What did this game do but steal a few ideas and dumb things down a bit more?  Yea it's fun for what it is and has no sub, but I bet 95% of the population wouldn't play if it had a sub model, not a chance in hell.

Enough with the OMGGW2IZtehBESTESTevar!

Go read Quiz's The culling bugs are worse than you think--... and get back to us :)

You are about 3 months too late with this post. All the DE bugs were fixed a month or two after launch.

Maybe try again when the expansion launches?

Originally posted by evilastro

You are about 3 months too late with this post. All the DE bugs were fixed a month or two after launch.

Maybe try again when the expansion launches?

Most of them were, but some are still there. Besides, this topic isn't about broken DEs, but about broken Hearts.

OP is kind of grasping at straws here. Renown hearts are just plain old quests. Except instead of calling them quests, they're hearts and you automatically aquire them when you enter a certain area around the kill mobs.

Pretty much, it's like saying quests are insurance against broken quests. In how many mmo's have you actually experienced a broken quest anyways? Anything about Chinese hastily made copies, of course. And yeah, I haven't found any WOTLK glitched quests.

Yeah, it's nice that you have a choice of grinding on either mobs or picking up random items. Honestly, though. Who actually just tries to complete the boring heart as fast as possible so they can move on to the next heart so they can actually level up? Pretty much everyone who didn't quit because of it.

Originally posted by Scalpless

Originally posted by evilastro

You are about 3 months too late with this post. All the DE bugs were fixed a month or two after launch.

Maybe try again when the expansion launches?

Most of them were, but some are still there. Besides, this topic isn't about broken DEs, but about broken Hearts.

I think it is more a case of them still breaking.

And yeah I've never seen a broken hearts.

Originally posted by Betakodo

Honestly, though. Who actually just tries to complete the boring heart as fast as possible so they can move on to the next heart so they can actually level up?

The ones who level up slowly. 3/4 of my XP comes from DEs and exploration.

Originally posted by Betakodo

In how many mmo's have you actually experienced a broken quest anyways?

Honestly?  In pretty much any of the ones I spent a significant amount of time in (WoW, Aion, GW2) and even ones I didn't (SWTOR).

The only time I had a bit of problem leveling was during the first beta when I was adapting to the different playstyle.

Since then my problem is that I generally level too fast meaning my personal story being way behind and the ps rewards being wasted.