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  ThomasN7

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Joined: 3/17/07
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"Had to be me. Someone else might have gotten it wrong.” - Mordin Solus

2/19/13 10:51:58 AM#21
Too many abilities makes it more difficult to balance. As long as it is more abilities than what GW 2 offered then we'll be ok.
  shaodrin

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Joined: 2/11/13
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2/19/13 10:53:41 AM#22
Originally posted by General_Dru-Zod
Originally posted by cronius77
i would like to see maybe 1 hotbar only style of combat myself , similiar to guild wars 2. GW2 has a decent actiony pace in WvW and I hate trying to micromanage 3 or 4 hotbars in a game just to be effective like wow and rift was.

Zod had 3 hotbars in Daoc and I needed every button...

in daoc there was a great differency between some chars with the amount of needed skills ... a support char normaly had like 3 bars+keybind full of skills wich were all needed while a warrior had like 1 bar +qbinds and of this 1 bar you normaly needed only like 4 skills everything else was only very situational

 

i prefer having like 10-20 skills but with all of em serving to a different situation where like very few of the skills are needed within every fight (single target nuke ae nuke cc heals debuffs etc) and everything else is only to bring you in place after you or a grp mate made a mistake(insta heal(with 5min cd) wich heals 100% of the targets hp, getting invulnerable and these kind of 1 time useages)

btw this brings me up to another point ... i would realy like to see meaning full instas wich are used for special situations only and being on a longer cd than this spam fest newer mmo lead to with instas ... as a heal id rather have a insta wich completly heals my targets hp but with a long cd than this insta wich heals like 1% but is usable while running since this increases the tactical meaning of positioning

  moosecatlol

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2/19/13 10:56:31 AM#23
Originally posted by General_Dru-Zod
Originally posted by moosecatlol
I personally loved being able to choose from hundreds of abilites but only having 8 slots to place them in.

That seems kind of ... limited.

Yes and at the same time it was something truly remarkable, and because of it even up to the final days of the approaching precipice of Guild Wars 2 players were creating unique builds for characters. If I had to guess the final builds probably revolved around the elementalist and their class mechanic rework.

My last creation was a dervish earth tank build for The Deep that could tank any area a stance warrior tanked. Felt good to show everyone once again that warrior tanking was useless.

  Odaman

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Joined: 2/17/13
Posts: 195

2/19/13 11:15:18 AM#24
I'd be happy with something about the same as daoc. Which really isn't far from gw2 on some classes (15 not counting item uses or macros). That's actually less than all classes in gw2. Others had 3 hotbars of abilities (with uses like potions taking up more than that).
  uberowo

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Joined: 5/20/10
Posts: 18

2/19/13 11:58:20 AM#25
I didn't like GW2's system much, and I hated the weapon switching aspect of it.. Most likely the sweetspot is somewhere between 15-20 abilities.
  alexisevic

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Joined: 3/24/11
Posts: 41

2/19/13 12:16:16 PM#26
As it has been said, if you just remove the bullshit aribtary cooldowns that most games have it reduces the number of hot keys you need drastically.  I hope CU will take that approach. 
  Lore84

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Joined: 2/15/13
Posts: 69

2/19/13 12:41:55 PM#27
Aslong as its not a gw2 style system i'll be happy

Ex-DAOC, Excalibur

  jtcgs

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Joined: 9/28/04
Posts: 1843

2/19/13 12:48:10 PM#28

More is always better in an MMO. I dont recall ever hearing about anything in the genre that could come close to getting me to understand why less would be better no matter the topic...even people saying that "more ___ would mean less ___", that is a game designer issue and is not a reason not to want more of a thing.

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  bcbully

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2/19/13 12:49:50 PM#29
The more the better. 
  User Deleted
2/19/13 12:57:31 PM#30
Originally posted by shaodrin
Originally posted by General_Dru-Zod
Originally posted by cronius77
i would like to see maybe 1 hotbar only style of combat myself , similiar to guild wars 2. GW2 has a decent actiony pace in WvW and I hate trying to micromanage 3 or 4 hotbars in a game just to be effective like wow and rift was.

Zod had 3 hotbars in Daoc and I needed every button...

in daoc there was a great differency between some chars with the amount of needed skills ... a support char normaly had like 3 bars+keybind full of skills wich were all needed while a warrior had like 1 bar +qbinds and of this 1 bar you normaly needed only like 4 skills everything else was only very situational

 

i prefer having like 10-20 skills but with all of em serving to a different situation where like very few of the skills are needed within every fight (single target nuke ae nuke cc heals debuffs etc) and everything else is only to bring you in place after you or a grp mate made a mistake(insta heal(with 5min cd) wich heals 100% of the targets hp, getting invulnerable and these kind of 1 time useages)

btw this brings me up to another point ... i would realy like to see meaning full instas wich are used for special situations only and being on a longer cd than this spam fest newer mmo lead to with instas ... as a heal id rather have a insta wich completly heals my targets hp but with a long cd than this insta wich heals like 1% but is usable while running since this increases the tactical meaning of positioning

Warriors needed more than 1 hotbar ... Realm abilities, Backstyle combos, side style combos, shield Stun (level 1 and level 42), /Slash commands, potions ML styles ...

My main was a Valk so I had spells in there aswell.. I dont know how you got by with 1 hotbar

  shaodrin

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Joined: 2/11/13
Posts: 31

2/19/13 8:21:26 PM#31
Originally posted by General_Dru-Zod

Warriors needed more than 1 hotbar ... Realm abilities, Backstyle combos, side style combos, shield Stun (level 1 and level 42), /Slash commands, potions ML styles ...

My main was a Valk so I had spells in there aswell.. I dont know how you got by with 1 hotbar

maybe as a solo warri you needed all of that ... in a grp you were reduced to 3 styles (backsnare anytimer slam) cl disease maybe ml3 like 1-2 ras(never used purge since there was no need for it with det and good positioning) and the 3 full tank abilitys .... everthing else you needed (bg guard 1h 2h switch stick face) was qbound so i actually had 1 bar i used 99% of the time ... and yes i used a second bar and even a third but not because i needed em(maybe the second more than the third) but to see the timer of my morphs and other buffs i actually was happy when i had to use more than cl disease backsnare anytimer and stun since most of the time the enemy grps didnt made me kick anything else

btw speaking about a hybrid compared to a fulltank in regards of used abilitys is a bit unfair eh ? ^^

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