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  taus01

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OP  2/18/13 8:14:48 PM#1

 

We are a desperate group of gamers:

I know, we are all desperate for a really good MMORPG but if we continue to support these crappy games we will never get the industry change.

  • Stop buying into these payed BETAS of games promising things they can not deliver.
  • Stop making excuses for games with phrases like "A MMORPG is never finished", "They will fix it after release" or "They said they will add [insert promised feature here] after release". When has anything of this ever happened? 
  • Stop believing reviews from gaming sites including this one. They live from advertisements and the will not bite the hand that feeds them. Simple fact.
  • Don't support want to be MMORPGs like Path of Exile or Defiance. These are not MMORPGs.
Only you can stop this by not supporting the games until they deliver what they promise. Yes, of cause, this genre of games do improve and get better over time but why throw money at them NOW when you have no way to tell if any of the features ever going to be delivered.
 
Why not wait until all the promised features are delivered and then buy it? I know, its crazy how much sense this makes but for some reason we are idiots (i include myself) that throw money at half assed games in the hope "They will fix it after release" because "an MMORPG is never finished" and "They said they will add [insert feature X here]".
 
THIS HAS TO STOP NOW!
 
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Crowdmilking:

This year will be no different than the last 10. The only thing that is changing right now is that every one of them tries to get as much money as they can before the game is actually released. A new trend that is influenced by the Kickstarter crowdfunding movement. I call it "Crowdmilking".

  1. Bought BETA and features. Preorder to get BETA, Headstart, in game items like mounts, useless swag like badges, T-shirts or other crap.
  2. Combine #1 bought BETAS with an NDA to maximize Profit before people can realize how shitty a game is going to be.
  3. All the new games are designed with Microtransaction shops and F2P in mind because developers know they have a sub standard product and that we will reject it like we did the past 10 years.
  4. They are starting Crowdfunding for Patches/Updates/Content. This is a very new trend that will ask for donations to make updates to the game or add content. Based on Kickstarter there are funding goals to be met for different features.
  5. Maximize initial box sales no matter what. Lie, deceive or outright make shit up to get people to pay box price. This practice has been seen with a game released last holiday season. AOC started it, probably had only 30% of the features they promised at start and the BETA was nothing like the rest of the game. AOC was the ultimate bait and switch scam.
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The Revolution has to start now, this year, or we will be stuck with more and more of the same money grabs and boring themeparks for decades to come.

(ps: don't take the revolution thing litterally please, this is about bad practices of gaming companies not about starting a revolution)

 

 

Start the Revolution NOW!

Yes, it's time we take action!
I give them another chance this and next year.
No, i like the games released in the last few years.
(login to vote)

"Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"

  BitterClinger

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Joined: 11/19/12
Posts: 208

2014 Watch List: World of Warships, ArcheAge

2/18/13 8:18:28 PM#2

Great, Occupy MMORPG!

Please, count me out.

Top Games Played JAN 2014: World of Warplanes, Guild Wars 2, World of Tanks

  waynejr2

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Posts: 3735

RIP City of Heroes!

2/18/13 8:21:57 PM#3
The problem with your approach for me, is that I would feel like a total tool following you.
  bcbully

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2/18/13 8:22:42 PM#4

I agree.

 

Now if the paid beta is like AoW. More polished and more content than 3 of last years games put together, for $9... I'm crossing the line and buying in...

 

Let's talk about NDA too. NDA means your game is bad plain and simple. 

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  taus01

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Joined: 4/12/06
Posts: 1419

 
OP  2/18/13 8:25:47 PM#5
Originally posted by waynejr2
The problem with your approach for me, is that I would feel like a total tool following you.

And why exactly is that?

See, this is the problem. Think for yourself not follow. How about you make your own decisions and stop following anyone?

After all it's your decision what you do with your money and time. All i am saying is that something needs to be done or things will never change. Only we can change this, or are you saying it will magically fix itself eventually?

"Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"

  june32nd

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Joined: 6/19/08
Posts: 126

Ever genre of game is buy to play, why aren't MMORPGs?

2/18/13 8:26:52 PM#6
Originally posted by bcbully

Let's talk about NDA too. NDA means your game is bad plain and simple. 

I'm sorry, what?

 

to OP, this whole stink again?, listen i get it, but posting here about this "great" "finding"  isn't going to change ever MMORPG player. The majority of people playing MMORPGs keep buying, so they'll keep producing, unless u can get everyone that stills plays MMOs after leaving WoW you're screaming at, basically, no one.

  Robokapp

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Joined: 11/15/09
Posts: 4664

The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

2/18/13 8:31:27 PM#7

  taus01

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OP  2/18/13 8:33:24 PM#8
Originally posted by june32nd
Originally posted by bcbully

Let's talk about NDA too. NDA means your game is bad plain and simple. 

I'm sorry, what?

 

to OP, this whole stink again?, listen i get it, but posting here about this "great" "finding"  isn't going to change ever MMORPG player. The majority of people playing MMORPGs keep buying, so they'll keep producing, unless u can get everyone that stills plays MMOs after leaving WoW you're screaming at, basically, no one.

No idea what you are talking about. There is no "great" "finding". I am making an argument to take a step back and look at what is really happening. Not screaming at anyone either. Unless you have a counter argument or add to the discussion there is no need for you to post.

"Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"

  Irondust

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Joined: 9/28/11
Posts: 32

2/18/13 8:34:16 PM#9
What's the problem with beta's and public beta weekends? Why you can't try the game yourself, skip the reviews and make your own opinion? Your experience with game is too small to do it? I seriously don't get it, no offence.
  Aerowyn

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Posts: 7969

2/18/13 8:36:28 PM#10
2012 was the best year for MMOs since 2004 IMHO,, had several MMOs with plenty of new ideas for the genre.. i feel 2013 with a slew of promising games coming  will build on what we saw in 2012.. I feel 2013 will be the best year for MMOs ever:)

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  aRtFuLThinG

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Joined: 4/30/09
Posts: 1023

2/18/13 8:37:50 PM#11
Originally posted by taus01

 Definitely another bad year for MMORPGs.

 Are you posting this just to be a jerk to the guy who posted earlier another thread titled "This is might be a good for mmorpgs" or something like that?

If so, that's a pretty lame thing to do. :/

  tank017

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Posts: 2206

2/18/13 8:42:00 PM#12
Originally posted by Aerowyn
2012 was the best year for MMOs since 2004 IMHO,, had several MMOs with plenty of new ideas for the genre.. i feel 2013 with a slew of promising games coming  will build on what we saw in 2012.. I feel 2013 will be the best year for MMOs ever:)

I hope youre right..

 

Im not holding much stock in Neverwinter or ESO,but games like Archeage,The Repopulation, and maybe Defiance Im holding out hope for.

  Aerowyn

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2/18/13 8:44:35 PM#13
Originally posted by tank017
Originally posted by Aerowyn
2012 was the best year for MMOs since 2004 IMHO,, had several MMOs with plenty of new ideas for the genre.. i feel 2013 with a slew of promising games coming  will build on what we saw in 2012.. I feel 2013 will be the best year for MMOs ever:)

I hope youre right..

 

Im not holding much stock in Neverwinter or ESO,but games like Archeage,The Repopulation, and maybe Defiance Im holding out hope for.

also got wildstar to look forward to and possibly blade & soul and slim chance of black desert as well oh forgot ffxiv RR as well

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  taus01

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Joined: 4/12/06
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OP  2/18/13 8:45:24 PM#14

Originally posted by Irondust
What's the problem with beta's and public beta weekends? Why you can't try the game yourself, skip the reviews and make your own opinion? Your experience with game is too small to do it? I seriously don't get it, no offence.

The problem is your reading comprehension. Nothing wrong with FREE beta weekends and no NDA.

Originally posted by Aerowyn
2012 was the best year for MMOs since 2004 IMHO,, had several MMOs with plenty of new ideas for the genre.. i feel 2013 with a slew of promising games coming  will build on what we saw in 2012.. I feel 2013 will be the best year for MMOs ever:)

Care to elaborate on the games that had all these great new ideas and actually delivered a game that can hold gamers for longer than a month? A game that is not played to max level within a few days and then does not have any meaningful end game content? A game that delivered what they promised and fixed bugs reported in tehse great BETAs instead of releasing too early again and not fixing bugs even months after release?

 

"Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"

  atticusbc

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I hated hipsters before hating hipsters was cool.

2/18/13 8:46:23 PM#15
i dunno. teso's shaping up into something... interesting. archeage is coming our way, as is cu, wildstar, and ffxiv. and that's only to name a few. plus we have a whole plethora of great games expanding (gw2, eve, ps2, tera, etc.). no i'd say 2013 is looking pretty shiny. but hey. time will tell. sure we'll have some flops, but i think we're gonna have some pretty darn decent games this year.
  taus01

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OP  2/18/13 8:50:01 PM#16
Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG
Originally posted by taus01

 Definitely another bad year for MMORPGs.

 Are you posting this just to be a jerk to the guy who posted earlier another thread titled "This is might be a good for mmorpgs" or something like that?

If so, that's a pretty lame thing to do. :/

How about you read what i wrote instead of comparing posts or making weird assumptions about my intentions. I have no idea why anyone would search through the forum for similar threads and make a posts like this.

Sorry, i just don't understand the point of your post. Maybe if you had something valuable to say or add to the argument?

"Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"

  Robokapp

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Joined: 11/15/09
Posts: 4664

The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

2/18/13 8:51:13 PM#17
Originally posted by atticusbc
 <removed> is coming our way, as is <removed>, and ffxiv.
 
I removed the other titles because I wanted to focus on this one.
Why oh why are we not in the least bit skeptic about this ? it already launched once and did...how it did. And we wonder why we get crappy MMOs. This right here is why. Maybe the new xiv will be good, maybe it won't. Given its past shouldn't we look at it from the cautious standpoint?
 
UGH...it seems the developrs are the ones who learne to "play the game". develop cheaply, cash in quickly, get out while ahead. I thought we're the players not them. It seems they're playing us.

  Aerowyn

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2/18/13 8:51:55 PM#18
Originally posted by taus01

Originally posted by Aerowyn
2012 was the best year for MMOs since 2004 IMHO,, had several MMOs with plenty of new ideas for the genre.. i feel 2013 with a slew of promising games coming  will build on what we saw in 2012.. I feel 2013 will be the best year for MMOs ever:)

Care to elaborate on the games that had all these great new ideas and actually delivered a game that can hold gamers for longer than a month? A game that is not played to max level within a few days and then does not have any meaningful end game content? A game that delivered what they promised and fixed bugs reported in tehse great BETAs instead of releasing too early again and not fixing bugs even months after release?

 

been playing gw2 for over 6 months now and don't see myself stopping anytime so.. game has a slew of new/streamlined ideas for the genre, TSW has some great new ideas as well and you have TERA that brought good action combat as well.. just because you didn't find interest in any of those doesn't mean the year was a failure.. Think its a good lead in to the slew of games coming in 2013

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  craftseeker

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2/18/13 8:53:05 PM#19
Originally posted by Aerowyn
2012 was the best year for MMOs since 2004 IMHO,, had several MMOs with plenty of new ideas for the genre.. i feel 2013 with a slew of promising games coming  will build on what we saw in 2012.. I feel 2013 will be the best year for MMOs ever:)

Different strokes for different folks.  As 2012 started I was leaving Everquest II behind with a deep resentment over how the game was being handled by SOE and the direction it was taking.  I decided to move to Rift for a while as it had been fun to play during the extended outage SOE had due to the hacking instance.

I expected that one of the AAA games due to be released would be a good fit and truely exciting.  Instead I was deeply disappointed with both The Secret World and Guild Wars II.  While these games have found an audience they were not for me. Star Wars was also disappointing.

So I stayed playing Rift and had a good time doing so.  However things started to look a little shakey around September with a number of changes that started to come into that game.  I was reassured by the announcement of the Storm Legion but then had a hot and cold reaction to it.  One week excited the next worried and so on until the release and playing through the new content and then starting to do the new end game content. By the end of January it was clear to me that my time in Rift was over, the new producer "Elrar" was taking the game in a direction I did not like.

So here I am, and looking at the games that have been announced for this year I am already disppointed.  There seems to be nothing on the table at the moment that looks to be worth downloading to my computer. Never mind an MMORPG to play for the next three years.

EQnext may be interesting, it may be here by the end of the year.  Or not. I have been starting to hear that it will have a strong PvP focus.  If so that to will be a game I will not download.

It still seems strange to me that in a genre called MMORPG that there are currently no games that encourage first person role playing.  The last of these seems to have been the first of these,  Everquest.

  BlackcatZero

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2/18/13 9:03:41 PM#20
Would Join u but your talking mmorpg. my issue is things called Games like The new Aliens game and oh yeah Duke Nukem Forever which are both worst then what your talking about.
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