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  Aeonblades

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Joined: 10/12/12
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2/18/13 10:45:19 AM#41

The doom and gloom MMO community won't have an affect on this game as they haven't before. Either it's a good game or it isn't.

Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
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  fs23otm

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Joined: 6/11/07
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2/18/13 10:49:14 AM#42
Faction lock is a good thing. Your constant whining about how it is not.. will never change my opinion.
  azarhal

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Joined: 7/06/09
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2/18/13 10:53:52 AM#43
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by azarhal

 

1.   I suggest you read the bio of King Emeric. There is nothing in there going against the petty warlords and kings lore. In fact, Emeric is one of them. He married a Redguard princess. It also explain why the Orcs joined the Covenant.

2. And what do you think the TESO RvR is going to lead to? The best player is going to be the Emperor, until he lose the captital to another player. Probably every freaking weeks. It's litterally: "petty warlords had attempted to seize control of Cyrodiil's capital and to reestablish the Empire. None of them lasted for long" .

So I play a Breton.

I fight for King Emeric and our faction.

I fight well.

I become Emperor.

...

...

What does King Emeric do?

He is the faction leader right?

Did I just betray my faction to claim the crown?

But how can that be? I am a Breton and ALL Bretons are the same faction so I cannot have betrayed my King, the system doesn't allow it.

So what is King Emeric doing? Isn't he Emperor?

...

...

Where are the petty warlords?

Shouldn't the petty warlords be fighting each other?

We don't have petty warlords but 3 factions comprising 3 entire nations in each faction...not petty in my mind.

If there were petty warlords that would make perfect sense to have guild conflics as the main thrust of PvP combat rather then 3 way factions. The lore says petty, the game says 3 entire nations - Not too loose is it?

...

...

You keep supporting their design if you want. You blindly defend it while I show you the holes. You won't accept them, fine, but please keep replying because the more you reply the more others will be able to look at the game design and see the problems. So stay a hardcore defender, it really is helpful.

Guild leaders and players are the petty warlords. That time period is in the middle of Tamriel Dark Ages (as per the single player games lore). This mean most historical facts are unknown/forgotten hundreds of years later. We get to live them in TESO and record them. Looks like some of the petty warloards were actually supported by large geo-political factions. It doesn't change anything to what came before or after. It is simply additional infomation because we get to see that time period (as opposed to read about it in the Pocket Guide to the Empire which is propaganda for Septim Empire).

Finally, you won't be betraying Emeric. The official website sayd: "Whoever controls the Ruby Throne will crown an Emperor, and their alliance will rule all of Tamriel." The faction select an Emperor, which of course piss off the other faction, so you never end up ruling all of Tamriel...

  StonesDK

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Joined: 8/06/11
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2/18/13 10:55:26 AM#44
You're not seriously suggesting, this community has anything to do with how a game will fare do you?
  fs23otm

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Joined: 6/11/07
Posts: 259

2/18/13 11:10:34 AM#45

I have come to have a love-hate relationship with MMORPG community.

I love their passion about MMO's. 

I hate their ego-centric ideals. 

 

I love they want to talk about games... and hate when they think their opinions matter to the developers. 

  Maelwydd

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Joined: 2/26/09
Posts: 1133

2/18/13 11:52:12 AM#46
Originally posted by azarhal

Guild leaders and players are the petty warlords. That time period is in the middle of Tamriel Dark Ages (as per the single player games lore). This mean most historical facts are unknown/forgotten hundreds of years later. We get to live them in TESO and record them. Looks like some of the petty warloards were actually supported by large geo-political factions. It doesn't change anything to what came before or after. It is simply additional infomation because we get to see that time period (as opposed to read about it in the Pocket Guide to the Empire which is propaganda for Septim Empire).

Finally, you won't be betraying Emeric. The official website sayd: "Whoever controls the Ruby Throne will crown an Emperor, and their alliance will rule all of Tamriel." The faction select an Emperor, which of course piss off the other faction, so you never end up ruling all of Tamriel...

So what is the point of having faction leaders like Emeric if HE does not become Emperor and wear the crown? And if he does, then why all the talk about players becoming Emperor?

Why the hell would any leader of millions put their entire forces into a conflict to fight over the crown...and then let someone else put it on? It just doesn't work.

Either the lore you are quoting is wrong or the game design is worng, which is it as they can't both be right. When control of the Ruby Throne is taken is it a player or Emeric that gets crowned?

Oh and are we to believe that only 3 petty warloards fought the entire conflict for 300 years? Petty warlords are small bands not huge nations. At the very least the game has used lazy language to descibe the game and been pretty loose and relaxed in how accurately their game design reflects currently written lore. But at the end of the day the design is...

Simply retarded.

 

  Crazyhorsek

Novice Member

Joined: 8/18/12
Posts: 249

2/18/13 1:46:38 PM#47
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by azarhal

Guild leaders and players are the petty warlords. That time period is in the middle of Tamriel Dark Ages (as per the single player games lore). This mean most historical facts are unknown/forgotten hundreds of years later. We get to live them in TESO and record them. Looks like some of the petty warloards were actually supported by large geo-political factions. It doesn't change anything to what came before or after. It is simply additional infomation because we get to see that time period (as opposed to read about it in the Pocket Guide to the Empire which is propaganda for Septim Empire).

Finally, you won't be betraying Emeric. The official website sayd: "Whoever controls the Ruby Throne will crown an Emperor, and their alliance will rule all of Tamriel." The faction select an Emperor, which of course piss off the other faction, so you never end up ruling all of Tamriel...

So what is the point of having faction leaders like Emeric if HE does not become Emperor and wear the crown? And if he does, then why all the talk about players becoming Emperor?

Why the hell would any leader of millions put their entire forces into a conflict to fight over the crown...and then let someone else put it on? It just doesn't work.

Either the lore you are quoting is wrong or the game design is worng, which is it as they can't both be right. When control of the Ruby Throne is taken is it a player or Emeric that gets crowned?

Oh and are we to believe that only 3 petty warloards fought the entire conflict for 300 years? Petty warlords are small bands not huge nations. At the very least the game has used lazy language to descibe the game and been pretty loose and relaxed in how accurately their game design reflects currently written lore. But at the end of the day the design is...

Simply retarded.

 

Like he said in the post you quoted, guild leaders players are the "petty warlords".

Plus... research history... what exactly is a King without an army or what is the power of that king if the army is completely  faithful and devoted to its General? Even today... any president always has to have the support of his army - if the army is not under the president, but instead under a particular general, you're sure that a coup d'etat will likely follow and that general will become president. So it can be seen as a turn of tables when you're faced with "upholding your honor and devotion to a king versus the possibility of turning the tables and become emperor"

Another way you can look at it, is that the man who takes over the ruby throne is nothing but a proxy of that faction's king - his puppet allowing the king to have control both over his own territory and over the imperial throne.

There is a lot to twist... I think its pretty good actually. Puppet governments come and go but the core of the nation is never put at risk. If you would put the King as the "Emperor", since the three factions are fighting for the same thing, he would most likely be killed in the next "invasion" leaving both the emperor and his faction thrones empty - that would be a bit worse I think. So yea, he puts a puppet as "emperor" having absolute control over him (quoting a movie) "until he dies or they find someone better" - both are short term "contract" hehe

  ktanner3

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Joined: 3/19/06
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2/18/13 1:51:07 PM#48
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
I really doubt people here have power to bring any MMO down if it was true WOW would be the biggest failure of gaming history. People come here to express opinions..positive and negative, out of these forums and in larger scheme of things, it means nothing.

This. This site is notorious for it's negativity and people who think they are somehow speaking for the masses, but in the grand scheme of things it means nothing. TESO will rise or fall based on its merits. Nothing more.  TESO is getting a lot of attention because it's the next big MMO release. 

Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  Iselin

The Listener

Joined: 3/04/08
Posts: 3778

2/18/13 1:57:32 PM#49
Originally posted by fs23otm

I have come to have a love-hate relationship with MMORPG community.

I love their passion about MMO's. 

I hate their ego-centric ideals. 

 

I love they want to talk about games... and hate when they think their opinions matter to the developers. 

I came to the conclusion a long time ago that I would never enjoy playing a game designed by the rabid critic wannabes who rage here. Thank god it's people who earn a living designing games who are devloping TESO.

And talk about misleading titles! I think from now on I'll call every thread I make "Unicorns having sex!" And then pitch whichever biased idea I'm selling today.

  observer

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Joined: 2/17/05
Posts: 2178

First came pride, then envy.

2/18/13 2:44:33 PM#50
It's ridiculous to suggest that a community would be responsible for the demise of a game.  The ultimate responsibility lies with the developers in charge.  It's their job to have a plan.  It's their job to adapt to the customers' wants and needs.  It's their job to market their product to a specific audience and not everyone (which is impossible).
  RefMinor

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2/18/13 2:48:38 PM#51
Forum posters don't kill games, games kill games.
  Maelwydd

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Joined: 2/26/09
Posts: 1133

2/18/13 2:58:51 PM#52
Originally posted by Crazyhorsek

 

Like he said in the post you quoted, guild leaders players are the "petty warlords".

Plus... research history... what exactly is a King without an army or what is the power of that king if the army is completely  faithful and devoted to its General? Even today... any president always has to have the support of his army - if the army is not under the president, but instead under a particular general, you're sure that a coup d'etat will likely follow and that general will become president. So it can be seen as a turn of tables when you're faced with "upholding your honor and devotion to a king versus the possibility of turning the tables and become emperor"

Another way you can look at it, is that the man who takes over the ruby throne is nothing but a proxy of that faction's king - his puppet allowing the king to have control both over his own territory and over the imperial throne.

There is a lot to twist... I think its pretty good actually. Puppet governments come and go but the core of the nation is never put at risk. If you would put the King as the "Emperor", since the three factions are fighting for the same thing, he would most likely be killed in the next "invasion" leaving both the emperor and his faction thrones empty - that would be a bit worse I think. So yea, he puts a puppet as "emperor" having absolute control over him (quoting a movie) "until he dies or they find someone better" - both are short term "contract" hehe

I will ask again.

Who puts on the crown? The 'president' or the army general?

You see, everyone is fighting for their 'president' but the president isn't the guy who is going to put on the crown. And after a couple of weeks everyone goes at it again, oblivious to the recent problems where some 'petty warlord' (player) userped the crown. That userper is welcomed back into the fold to fight another round for the 'president' who will never wear the crown.

Lets got for what might happen in game. The Orcs have been promised land by the leader of the faction and so the Orcs all fight for him. Then a player comes along and puts the crown on and is powerless to grant said land. So now the Orcs, unable to get their land, unable to kill the userper to give the crown the the faction leader who made the promise and unable to leave the faction because they feel betrayed....simply forget about what happened and carry on fighting.

Complete and utter bullshit. The game follows no logic and is totally abstract.

As for the leader getting killed....look up how Tiber Septim got the crown!

Juesus H Christ I know it is a game but you guys would suck shit through a tube if is said on the TESO box you had to do it as it was in their lore. !

  User Deleted
2/18/13 3:07:13 PM#53
They're already into beta signups.  The framework of the game is done.  I wouldn't expect major mechanics changes at this point.
  Maelwydd

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Joined: 2/26/09
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2/18/13 3:13:55 PM#54
Originally posted by XAPGames
They're already into beta signups.  The framework of the game is done.  I wouldn't expect major mechanics changes at this point.

Not expecting change but pointing out how stupid their design is and why I don't like it.

  Distopia

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2/18/13 3:19:34 PM#55
Originally posted by Maelwydd

I will ask again.

Who puts on the crown? The 'president' or the army general?

You see, everyone is fighting for their 'president' but the president isn't the guy who is going to put on the crown. And after a couple of weeks everyone goes at it again, oblivious to the recent problems where some 'petty warlord' (player) userped the crown. That userper is welcomed back into the fold to fight another round for the 'president' who will never wear the crown.

Lets got for what might happen in game. The Orcs have been promised land by the leader of the faction and so the Orcs all fight for him. Then a player comes along and puts the crown on and is powerless to grant said land. So now the Orcs, unable to get their land, unable to kill the userper to give the crown the the faction leader who made the promise and unable to leave the faction because they feel betrayed....simply forget about what happened and carry on fighting.

Complete and utter bullshit. The game follows no logic and is totally abstract.

As for the leader getting killed....look up how Tiber Septim got the crown!

Juesus H Christ I know it is a game but you guys would suck shit through a tube if is said on the TESO box you had to do it as it was in their lore. !

Your answer may lay within the game itself, it could be explained, it could be illogical, can't really say without having the whole picture. Which we do not have. You're expecting answers here where there are none, we're not the ones writing this story.

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  Distopia

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2/18/13 3:20:12 PM#56
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by XAPGames
They're already into beta signups.  The framework of the game is done.  I wouldn't expect major mechanics changes at this point.

Not expecting change but pointing out how stupid their design is and why I don't like it.

I think we all get that at this point...

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  Fearum

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2/18/13 3:46:56 PM#57

I was looking forward to the game since it was announced but since actually seeing the population they have targeted though, it has died down alot. Actually stepping back and looking at the genre's new audience it has me doubting there will ever be any game I can get into anytime soon, that is for another topic though. But for this one it seems to me they are trying to please too many people here at once and will end up pleasing nobody.

MMO fans are hard as hell to please, actually pretty much impossible. They like to cry about everything and always want something else than what they have in the game. Most mmo gamers today like to get everything for free and love easy casual games (GW2, COD or any other F2P game out there) hence while games only last a few months than fade away. This is the market they are targeting, these are the people who will be playing the game. 

TES fans are mostly console players and probably don't even have a computer from this decade that will run this game so they are already crying about that. TES fans also are impossible to please and are always crying about anything new in any of the games and the series has really turned into a watered down playable book instead of a game. TES fans also are used to very slooooooow repetative combat looking through first person while fighting 3-4 mobs at a time at the most where they can pause it and drink 20 pots to heal or stop to think about what they will do next and maybe even reload the game before they got into trouble. They will also probably never get into the PvP part of the game and leave after they run through the story once. But I played Skyrim for 1000 hours, yeah and you were alone so you obviously like being alone but this is a MMO.

What is this post even about? I don't know, it was just a small rant but to answer the OP question, yes. The community will probably canabalize the game in a few months and spit it out moving on the the next victim. If they cave into to the crying of too many different groups they will only shoot themselves in the foot by half assing the rest of the game and not pleasing anyone.

I think I will turn my attention to smaller niche games because these mass marketed games are really not worth it anymore. I will still check the game out (as long as its not F2P) and hope it turns out well but like I said before after seeing the people who will actually be playing the game, I have my doubts now.

  Draemos

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2/18/13 8:02:23 PM#58

I've yet to see much that is actually promising about the game from the perspective of an Elder Scrolls title.  Pretty much everything about ES games that I love does not exist in this game.  The parts they did implement are some of the weaker aspects, such as the combat system.

 

 I have serious trouble finding a single reason why I'd put down my heavily modded Skyrim to play this... my perfect idea of a multiplayer game for ES is a small scale persistent server that I can play with a select group of friends,, where the modding alteration exist server side so they can proliferate to the clients connecting.... Kinda like the old school neverwinter night persistent worlds. Not the immersion destroying nonsense that comes from full fledged MMO kiddies.

 

i just don't get the appeal at all to an Elder Scrolls fan.  To a RvR fan?  Sure.  But I don't really see a big crossover between those groups, and your not going to pull a person into RvR because they happen to like Skyrim, the gameplay styles are polar opposite.

 

 

  Jumdor

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2/19/13 6:23:01 AM#59
Originally posted by Draemos

I've yet to see much that is actually promising about the game from the perspective of an Elder Scrolls title.  Pretty much everything about ES games that I love does not exist in this game.  The parts they did implement are some of the weaker aspects, such as the combat system.

 

 I have serious trouble finding a single reason why I'd put down my heavily modded Skyrim to play this... my perfect idea of a multiplayer game for ES is a small scale persistent server that I can play with a select group of friends,, where the modding alteration exist server side so they can proliferate to the clients connecting.... Kinda like the old school neverwinter night persistent worlds. Not the immersion destroying nonsense that comes from full fledged MMO kiddies.

 

i just don't get the appeal at all to an Elder Scrolls fan.  To a RvR fan?  Sure.  But I don't really see a big crossover between those groups, and your not going to pull a person into RvR because they happen to like Skyrim, the gameplay styles are polar opposite.

 

 

  I agree with this from Draemos.

  In simple opinion I can say that this game isn't in my taste from just seeing the videos. I've been playing games since I first played Jumpman on my father's DOS based computer which led to things like Doom and so on and so forth. I have had enough experience to know when something smells sour on my radar to my tastes. I'm not here to point out its flaws or how bad it might or might not suck. I only wanted to pop in after reading every single post here and voice my own thoughts as we all have the generous freedom to do. Whether right or wrong it is allowed because we all have a voice no matter who may think they have the right to stifle or silence those who speak out boldly or in anger.

  I have no issues with anyone voicing their opinions one way or another. To speak against them voicing their opinion is doing the same thing as you claim they are doing by having a heated opinion about their own personal thoughts. To lash out against one another speaks volumes about holier than thow thinkers (whether for a game's lore or against that person). Much like petty jabs at the way they type or having heard, read, or made up false information. It doesn't make them an enemy to be scorned it just means they don't think like you do or don't know what you do as many claim these developers do not think like we do. You cannot teach someone your way of thinking by making them feel stupid or trying to strip them of their voice. If a man is thirsty can you convince him he is not by yelling at him? True, a game isn't a basic need but you can convince him that he doesn't need water at this very second while your traveling to the next town and are rationing said water. 

  On these developers. Let me be real simple and plain for a moment. Developers are in it to make money it is their job to make money for their company. It is what keeps their children fed and families in nice homes and puts gas in their tanks. This however does not mean they can't love what they do while trying to make this money. Some people love money and have skills to make games. Others may love games with money being a bonus. There are many mixes of these types within a group of developers. They can be just as varied in opinion and mindset as all of us are here. The real question comes down to what is the lead opinion and direction of the product? 

  Games are made for a broad scope hoping to bring in as many potential buyers as possible. They hope to feed you words that will entice you to play and show love for their work by providing them with a living doing what they like. They show you visuals of amazing things and give you a glimpse of scope to try and tie you into their vision of grandeur. Finally they make promises to seal the deal. Like selling you a used car with a maintenance package however limited that is. Which of course you don't realize until reading the fine print much later after you got over the dizzy spray of flashy words and pretty pictures. 

  I don't think this makes them evil or gives me any reason to hate them. It is simple understanding that they are business men first and foremost. Yes, they make games but those games were made to make money. Don't worry about speakers against or in favor of these companies. They factor in how many will play the game and how many won't right off the bat. Otherwise they wouldn't have wanted the property in the first place. They know the name alone will get them preorder sales. They know no matter what they do many of the hardcore fans will be turned off by the smallest change in the lore. They continue in it because they want to continue doing what they enjoy.

  My lack of support for their product is no hate toward them or because I'm some bitter dried up overly opinionated 80s gamer. It is simply because I can tell from personal experience that the game isn't in my taste for one or many reasons. Be it lore, gameplay, graphics, or just because I didn't like their sales pitch. I don't really need a reason to justify why. Just as I don't really need a reason to post all this here other than being up way to early in the morning and thinking deep thoughts while reading a bunch of posts from a numerous amount of individual thinkers. 

  I will as I have stated before wait for a free trial or something along those lines to form a more hands on opinion of the game. I am willing to wait. I am patient and I am still opinionated about things. Just because I voice something in a heated way does not mean I have to be razzed about being childish or ignorant for not choosing to play a game. It's like being told your acting like a sissy for not wanting to join in a rousing game of tag. Maybe my leg hurts today, I might feel ill, I might just not be in the mood. What does matter is my passionate display of irritation toward someone changing the rules or style of the game gets met with mockery and chastisement for an opinion. That tons come out of the wood work to then voice their heated opinions about an opinion. I mostly just find it funny and redundant in many ways. Not to say anyone is wrong of right for doing so. On a game of tag however I'm not paying $30-60 to join in. 

  In all truth it's a game. Trying to convince others to play or not with insults, slander, or out right abuse is just ignorant. If you don't like something don't direct it at anyone please. When an opinion is pointed at a game and not a person it doesn't need defending against or rallying to, but that won't stop those opinions from either side of that fence. I just think it can be approached with level heads over matched fanaticism for a laid back personal way of buying games. Oh your too crazy about lore well at least they know what they like and yeah many could lighten up. Going off on them because you have a different "I'll play anything that is put in front of me" attitude doesn't make you any better. It comes off as your a fanatic about being an all gamer anything goes. I didn't mean it makes you this way it just appears that way. Oh it's just a game. I guess if they changed your favorite meal in the whole world it's no big deal. How about your favorite car, toy, ring, on and on. They tied themselves to something just as you might have tied yourself to an ideal of I'll give anything a shot, but let it be something you really like then how it becomes a personal issue for you.  

  I'm not really caring if I made any sense with all that. I'm not bothered if you chose not to read this. It was just what was floating around in my head. I did not pick out any one person to reference or slander in this long opinion. I simply wanted to talk about the game and remove those floating thought bubbles from my mind. If anyone found what I wrote offensive I apologise. If anyone found my grammar or spelling in bad form I apologise, but in my opinion it's not how something is said that makes the difference but what is said. Course I'm not trying to please everyone. I'm not trying to sell a product or an idea just voicing one. 

  I am a fan of TES. I do not all together agree with this new game. It doesn't mean I'm a horrible person it just means I don't like the change. When you don't like a change you can either stay still and refuse to change or you can make a choice to go with the new direction or disconnect yourself from that change. There are two paths and both have many opinions about their outcomes from many different travelers.

  There are five options for two paths. 1: You can choose to stay right where you are and stick to your guns and feel secure that you stand for something you think is right. 2: You can choose to go along with the new path and are not bothered by the changes because your just looking for the next thing to do. 3: You choose the new path because you feel it's the newest and best route for you designed partially by the original road workers you feel secure in your future with this choice. 4: You choose to travel the new path a ways and see whether you like it or not. If not you'll find a side path to get off. 5: You choose the other path and give up on the main road all together leading to different adventures in other places. 6: There is no other option. You cannot go back and change the past. Burnt bridges and ruin are all that remain of what you left behind. The road is blocked on either side so the two paths or staying where you are currently is all that you have. 

  It's all in good fun and I hope for all to have fun in whatever games you choose to play. 


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  Anaba77

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2/19/13 6:27:15 AM#60

whoever is writing in these days about the good or the bad of TESO is a liar.

 

It's pathetic how ppl can fall for such internetz-traps when nobody really has touched the game...

 

Wait until it goes real beta and then MAKE UP your OWN consideration and don't follow the sheepherd (SWTOR teaches...).

Every game has potential in our eyes in something but it's just OUR eyes and not necessarily the eyes of the Devs or my best friends.

You like the game ? pay for it... You don't like ? don't pay for it... the rest is fluff and else...

 

Hypes and Monkeys have to go back to the wardrobe... these are the real enemies of the mmo-scene in these days

 

/peace

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