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General Discussion  » The further dumbing down of Star Wars: The Old Republic: Abusing Travelers, Treating customers like crap .. same ol' same ol'

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  tiefighter25

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Joined: 7/30/12
Posts: 949

2/17/13 4:10:49 PM#121
Originally posted by DaedalEVE

Will a mod please close this thread? It's clearly a tolling thread.

I built my Desktop in 2009, and aside from upgrading the graphics card I am still able to run every game that has ever come out for PC on max settings (at 1920x1200). So I can tell you right now that if the OP is having an issue with the SWTOR's game engine it's an issue with his hardware, not the game. Additionally I run the game from an SSD drive and load almost instantly, so again if he is having loading issues it is an issue with his hardware. 

It's clear that this thread is simply an effort to bash the game due to one persons personal issues with it. They should be taking up their concerns with the developer, not complaining about it here.

Who's trolling who?

The OP is commenting on how Bioware has released a new game mechanic to bypass the covoluted travelling system which entails several loading screens; but that new mechanic is only obtainable by either with a sub via money sink/tie sink (Legacy level 50) or by a real money micro-transaction. He's not talking about load times per se.

I'm glad you have a rig that can run PC games. If you think that's it's standard that a MMO requires a $100-$300 SSD drive in order to run without problems, you certainly think differently then most.

I assure you, an SSD drive is not listed in SWTOR's minimum or suggested specs. I assure you that when they began designing the game in 2005, they weren't intending to sell it only to people with SSD drives. (Or 64 bit systems for that matter, or people with 16 gigs of VRAM, etc.)

  xmenty

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Joined: 5/22/10
Posts: 691

2/17/13 5:20:06 PM#122

I don't really have much to say about SWTOR till now.

How desperate can a company be that they even want to charge you for loading time, lol?

Stop supporting bad behaviour from devs cos then other devs will follow suit.

Fk you guys who support all this bad devs.

 

 

Pardon my English as it is not my 1st language :)

  aRtFuLThinG

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Joined: 4/30/09
Posts: 1021

2/17/13 6:50:34 PM#123
Originally posted by DaedalEVE

Will a mod please close this thread? It's clearly a tolling thread.

I fail to see how this is a troll thread, as all people stated is that EA charge for everything and anything and tries to squeeze every inch of the game for money (which is fact - not even EA is denying that).

 

Just because you like a game doesn't mean other people's opinions and views don't matter and they should be shut up by you.

  MortisRex

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Joined: 9/23/04
Posts: 366

2/17/13 7:10:44 PM#124
Originally posted by DaedalEVE

Will a mod please close this thread? It's clearly a tolling thread.

I built my Desktop in 2009, and aside from upgrading the graphics card I am still able to run every game that has ever come out for PC on max settings (at 1920x1200). So I can tell you right now that if the OP is having an issue with the SWTOR's game engine it's an issue with his hardware, not the game. Additionally I run the game from an SSD drive and load almost instantly, so again if he is having loading issues it is an issue with his hardware. 

It's clear that this thread is simply an effort to bash the game due to one persons personal issues with it. They should be taking up their concerns with the developer, not complaining about it here.

He's the troll, but you're going to pretend that you don't know what a performance edge a SSD offers over an IDE HD? And you're trying to use the mods to do your dirty work for you because you think they can't see through you trying to use them for your blatant bullying? You're not that clever.

  niceguy3978

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Joined: 6/14/06
Posts: 1994

2/17/13 7:21:00 PM#125
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by huskie77
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by huskie77
The OP has complained in other EA, SWTOR and Hero engine threads about the "terrible" graphics engine and it's performance issues. I think it might be a compatibility issue for him/her as I have never experienced any such issue

 

That was enough cause for a response.

 

 

 

I fail to see how, as all of that is relative to understanding your motivation, and not ad hominem. Once again, I apologize if you felt that the above was an attack on you. I won't be responding to you any further in this thread as it seems you are arbitrarily taking issue and looking for a fight. I hope the new changes in the game actually work out to your benefit rather than cause you grief. Good luck to you!

OK!

 

1) EA is charging for basic game play features, again. 

1a) Fast teleportbetween planets will benefit all players.

1b) Payments are required for teleport,

1c) Subcribers lose out on perks, because players can pay some more to out-do them.

1d ) Freemiums lose doubly.  They won't invest money because SWTOR is a Freemium / P2W system.

1e ) EA adjusts TORSTATUS figures to reflect positivity. :-)

 

I think I covered it all.  My motivation?  I play the game.  Enjoy my points.

Quick question because I haven't played in months.  First, did I misread this, or is this part of the legacy system?  Is the legacy system only available to those who sub and only unlockable through the CS for those that don't sub?  Or is the legacy system available to everyone?  If the legacy system isn't available to everyone, then this is incredibly problematic, if it is available to everyone (thus making this available without paying) then this isn't as big of a deal.  If the absolutely only way you can do this is through the CS, then that does suck.

  Sevenstar61

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Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1593

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

2/17/13 8:06:55 PM#126

I really don't understand why so much complaining about this feature. Every MMO has something like this. Nobody complains about it.

 

On beginning of SWTOR you had only 2 means of fast traveing. Quick travel... and Fleet Pass.

In Legacy you have improvements to this features... global unlocks - reducing the cooldowns.

Some time later they introduced in Legacy  few other options of fast travel to: Capitol planet, Black Hole, Outcast Den on Tatooine.

Now they introduced  in legacy additional option: Travel to Personal Starship. It is in the same place as other fast travel options.

What's a big deal? It's great thing to have and it encourages to grind Legacy as the final improvement in reducing cooldown in global unlocks are available for legacy 50.  Unlocks are also pretty cheap and you can get them for credits as well as CC. But 40k for final unlock is a ridiculous low price.

In EQ2 you could fast travel to many places, including your house. nobody complained about breaking immersion.


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  tiefighter25

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Joined: 7/30/12
Posts: 949

2/17/13 10:47:52 PM#127

Originally posted by niceguy3978

Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by huskie77
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by huskie77
The OP has complained in other EA, SWTOR and Hero engine threads about the "terrible" graphics engine and it's performance issues. I think it might be a compatibility issue for him/her as I have never experienced any such issue

 

That was enough cause for a response.

 

 

 

I fail to see how, as all of that is relative to understanding your motivation, and not ad hominem. Once again, I apologize if you felt that the above was an attack on you. I won't be responding to you any further in this thread as it seems you are arbitrarily taking issue and looking for a fight. I hope the new changes in the game actually work out to your benefit rather than cause you grief. Good luck to you!

OK!

 

1) EA is charging for basic game play features, again. 

1a) Fast teleportbetween planets will benefit all players.

1b) Payments are required for teleport,

1c) Subcribers lose out on perks, because players can pay some more to out-do them.

1d ) Freemiums lose doubly.  They won't invest money because SWTOR is a Freemium / P2W system.

1e ) EA adjusts TORSTATUS figures to reflect positivity. :-)

 

I think I covered it all.  My motivation?  I play the game.  Enjoy my points.

Quick question because I haven't played in months.  First, did I misread this, or is this part of the legacy system?  Is the legacy system only available to those who sub and only unlockable through the CS for those that don't sub?  Or is the legacy system available to everyone?  If the legacy system isn't available to everyone, then this is incredibly problematic, if it is available to everyone (thus making this available without paying) then this isn't as big of a deal.  If the absolutely only way you can do this is through the CS, then that does suck.

Originally posted by Sevenstar61

I really don't understand why so much complaining about this feature. Every MMO has something like this. Nobody complains about it.

 

On beginning of SWTOR you had only 2 means of fast traveing. Quick travel... and Fleet Pass.

In Legacy you have improvements to this features... global unlocks - reducing the cooldowns.

Some time later they introduced in Legacy  few other options of fast travel to: Capitol planet, Black Hole, Outcast Den on Tatooine.

Now they introduced  in legacy additional option: Travel to Personal Starship. It is in the same place as other fast travel options.

What's a big deal? It's great thing to have and it encourages to grind Legacy as the final improvement in reducing cooldown in global unlocks are available for legacy 50.  Unlocks are also pretty cheap and you can get them for credits as well as CC. But 40k for final unlock is a ridiculous low price.

In EQ2 you could fast travel to many places, including your house. nobody complained about breaking immersion.

In response to both of you.

FTP players will have to buy it. Global unlock and the 2 charcter tiers. I don't think the unkick comes in gambling packs yet, so cartel shop only.

As far as subs go, most can buy the global unlock, and tier 1 and 2 of the charcter unlocks.

In all likelhood, most players aren't legacy level 50, so will probably buy with cartel coins the tier 3 (i hour cool-down) unlock.

This is the first Legacy level 50 unlock.

It's easy to see how a person could view this as nickel and diming to get perk to bypass what many seem as a design flaw of the game.

Whether you view it as such or not, it's easy (at least for me) why many would see it as such.

  tiefighter25

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Joined: 7/30/12
Posts: 949

2/17/13 10:48:38 PM#128
Way too miuch quotation going on in my above post. Sorry.
  daltanious

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Joined: 4/19/08
Posts: 1775

2/18/13 7:50:21 AM#129
Originally posted by Karteli

 

So EA has realized that their game / graphics engine is horrible and they now need a way to get players across zones without all the load screens (if you have money).  So now you can insta-teleport to your ship.  GREAT FIX.  I feel my immersion steaming ..

 

Khm. great game, great graphics engine, incredibly fun, ... and numbers shows that. Yes, very far behind behemoth, but still 2nd for sub numbers. Despite so many efforts of negative people to destroy game.

  Thebigbopper

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Joined: 7/12/04
Posts: 114

2/18/13 1:12:54 PM#130

People can pay for faster travel, either via real life money or in game money? So what is the problem? If you don't like it just get there the old fashioned way and problem solved! If you ever played a game with portals and took them it is virtually the same thing. Most of these games have a quick travel option of some sort and this is no different.

 Just another troll thread, even WOW and GW2 have loading screens or at least had them if they dont now. How the hell did you get to battlegrounds in a game without a loading screen?

 I believe without playing Eve has not been dumbed down but most of these games have been dumbed down to some degree and SWTOR did not start it.

 Kind of odd for people being critical of a gaming company for wanting to make money, they are not charities! There is no gun pointing at you to pay for anything while you play for free...........

 

 

  Rednecksith

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Posts: 1272

Bite my fiery metal ass!

2/18/13 1:22:04 PM#131
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