Originally posted by Gdemami

Usually you get to pay AFTER the job is done.

 

People are weird and funny tho and can throw money on about anything...or in fact in exchange for nothing..

 

 

 

Go google the meaning of the word "to invest" or "an investment". 

Kickstarter is a tool of both monetary investment as well as an invenstment in public awareness - the MAIN important thing in case for major backers and investors to step in - because they only invest into stuff that CAN be profitable, since the basis of investment is getting a profit. 

So kickstarter users are "investing" into the game, for the "profit" of Game being released, as well as getting additional goodies, and they at the same time are the proof for major backers that the market is profitable.

Its a win-win situation and a commonplace practice in a free-economic society - you do not always "pay" for the goods that are already there - your money can be an investment in hopes of a future gain.  That's the reason we have, well, ANYTHING EVER?

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Originally posted by Yuui
Go google the meaning of the word "to invest" or "an investment". 

Kickstarter is a tool of both monetary investment as well as an invenstment in public awareness - the MAIN important thing in case for major backers and investors to step in - because they only invest into stuff that CAN be profitable, since the basis of investment is getting a profit. 

So kickstarter users are "investing" into the game, for the "profit" of Game being released, as well as getting additional goodies, and they at the same time are the proof for major backers that the market is profitable.

Its a win-win situation, stop whining. 

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Follow your own advice and find out what investment is. Then google donation.

KS money are donated, not invested and why people put their projects there they DO NOT WANT investors, they want donations.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Yuui
Go google the meaning of the word "to invest" or "an investment". 

 

Kickstarter is a tool of both monetary investment as well as an invenstment in public awareness - the MAIN important thing in case for major backers and investors to step in - because they only invest into stuff that CAN be profitable, since the basis of investment is getting a profit. 

So kickstarter users are "investing" into the game, for the "profit" of Game being released, as well as getting additional goodies, and they at the same time are the proof for major backers that the market is profitable.

Its a win-win situation, stop whining. 

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Follow your own advice and find out what investment is. Then google donation.

KS money are donated, not invested and why people put their projects there they DO NOT WANT investors, they want donations.

 

Donation would imply putting something up without expecting a gain.

Investment is something that you put expecting an incoming gain or increase in value, which is true for kickstarter, especially considering how the billing system there works(you do not get billed unless the goal is complete, hence, unless there's a certain proof of guarantee of the success of your investment).

Kickstarter can call it whatever it wants. Kickstarter could have been intending to be whatever it wanted to. But right now its exactly that.

Kickstarter projects offer an increase in value with an increase of your investment, some developers even call the supporters investors, most of projects work on the basis of you getting something for your support, in most of cases exchanging your financial aid for an increase in the value you gain. 

At the same time, while it was not intended to be as such - kickstarter is a great way to be used in market-research as its a very good way to gauge custommer interest in a certain key markets researched (in this case space-simulator games) as you get both the money-value custommers are willing to put in AND the amount of market-interest the product generates. 

I make a living of this stuff, so we can go about another few hours  here or you can just concede. 

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Originally posted by Yuui

I make a living of this stuff, so we can go about another few hours  here or you can just concede.   

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I concede, not going to argue with someone who does not understand the difference between elemental concepts of donation, investment and purchase/spending.

It's been said already: crowdfunding <> investing.

I put up some money to back the game. I didn't spend more then what a new game normally costs on a PC or console. That amount makes sense for me personally. Others rightfully have their own approach to the concept.

To me, it's no different then pre-ordering a game. That the dude has a solid resume for video games is all the more reason for me to pre-order.

Originally posted by Vayman

It's been said already: crowdfunding <> investing.

I put up some money to back the game. I didn't spend more then what a new game normally costs on a PC or console. That amount makes sense for me personally. Others rightfully have their own approach to the concept.

To me, it's no different then pre-ordering a game. That the dude has a solid resume for video games is all the more reason for me to pre-order.

Yeah, personally I'd rather give my money directly to a developer that I believe in rather than giving more money to a company like EA. 

Originally posted by Astropuyo

The game hasn't even hit a proper dev cycle, it's all about getting capital investment with giving no returns and you guys are endorsing this?

 

You are investing in a company and getting nothing save SWAG in return.

You are getting conned, you may not think you are, but who thinks they are getting conned while giving hard money for items and a "promise" the game will be developed.

 

Lets just keep rewarding bad business with more business! There is a reason venture didn't touch this guy. There is a big reason.

Damn straight I'm rewarding this... One of the major problems we are facing is the fact that suits put business FIRST (which being suits, they would, and should). Making an entertaining, enjoyable game comes SECOND (if that).  CR has a demonstrated track record of knowing how to make entertaining, enjoyable games. 

I'm not looking at this as an investment.  I'm more than willing to risk some money (I can always make more), on the chance that someone with an established track record can make an entertaining, enjoyable game.  Money is easy to come by. Good games aren't.

Hell, I'm even willing to risk some of my money, so that new developers can *learn* how to make entertaining, enjoyable games.  Expanding the experience/skill/knowledge base required to make these complex games, seems like a good idea to me.  Much better than waiting around endlessly for investors and their suits to get a clue about such things.

Originally posted by Astropuyo

Lets just keep rewarding bad business with more business! There is a reason venture didn't touch this guy. There is a big reason.

venture touched SWTOR, venture touched the original ff14.  those were pretty much poop.  i'd rather drop my 40 bucks on a project that wants to do what *i* want and venture be damned.

Originally posted by -Zeno-
You need 10 million minimum to make an MMORPG.

no.

Originally posted by Astropuyo

Lets just keep rewarding bad business with more business! There is a reason venture didn't touch this guy. There is a big reason.

I had a teacher that worked for a big importing company or something. He and his co-worker got a drink on there desk that was called red bull. They drink it and figured "Who the hell would want to drink this, there is no market for this" and decided not to sell it. Believe me he and the company regreted the discision...I mean really regreted it as in a couple of millions big regret. 

So yes just because they do not see something in it does not mean it's not worth it. 

I do agree that I find it odd so many poeple are willing to invest money into this at this stage, but I am ok with that. They risk there money and I might eventually end up playing a good game. 

anyone can list me some kickstarter game who have actualy releases ??

i have try google , but find ZERO mmorpg who have actualy releases using this system

anyone can give some link of released game ?? the only one you can find = FTL

seriously.... we promise you 2560 GAMe each year , suck your money , and not a single one have releases ?? you guy are fool ..

brb going make my kickstarter for get some MONEY :)