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  Bladestrom

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2/12/13 2:03:04 AM#21
Look up the definition of mmorpg, massive refers to the number of people in the same instance at the same time. If the core gameplay is 5 man instances then it is not massive, it's a lobby game (and I don't mean that as a negative term). You could equally say that a online chess game with 10s of thousands of players online at the same time is massively online.

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  Bladestrom

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2/12/13 2:04:33 AM#22
Example : gw1 was not a mmorpg, it was a corps- even the devs aknowledged this.

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  Myrdynn

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2/12/13 10:38:42 AM#23
Originally posted by Bladestrom
Look up the definition of mmorpg, massive refers to the number of people in the same instance at the same time. If the core gameplay is 5 man instances then it is not massive, it's a lobby game (and I don't mean that as a negative term). You could equally say that a online chess game with 10s of thousands of players online at the same time is massively online.

sorry but there is no "DEFINITION" of the term.  Play in a cutthroat league, I had 42 people in one zone I was in, and that was more then I ever saw at once in SWtor outside of the city

Age of Conan is entirely instanced as well, and its an MMORPG

Istaria is an MMORPG and it has less then 100 subscribers

Vanguard before F2P had at most 150 people online on the entire server, yet it was a MMORPG

MMORPG is completely an irrelevant term

 

  Coated

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2/12/13 11:27:02 AM#24
Originally posted by Myrdynn
Originally posted by Bladestrom
Look up the definition of mmorpg, massive refers to the number of people in the same instance at the same time. If the core gameplay is 5 man instances then it is not massive, it's a lobby game (and I don't mean that as a negative term). You could equally say that a online chess game with 10s of thousands of players online at the same time is massively online.

sorry but there is no "DEFINITION" of the term.  Play in a cutthroat league, I had 42 people in one zone I was in, and that was more then I ever saw at once in SWtor outside of the city

Age of Conan is entirely instanced as well, and its an MMORPG

Istaria is an MMORPG and it has less then 100 subscribers

Vanguard before F2P had at most 150 people online on the entire server, yet it was a MMORPG

MMORPG is completely an irrelevant term

 

I get the point you are trying to make, but you are wrong. By your logic, SKYRIM should be a first person shooter because I can go into first person view and shoot with a bow.
 

Games are catorigized by their first intention. POE is an ARPG, not an mmorpg. Just like SKYRIM is an RPG, not a FPS.

  vzerov

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2/17/13 6:14:27 AM#25

I dont call 5 people massive players, so its not a mmo for me.

Maybe you do, then its a mmo for you.

End of story

I belive skyrim is a mmo too for some poeople though. Peopl can say or think whatever they want.

  Robokapp

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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

2/17/13 6:17:38 AM#26
Originally posted by vzerov

 Peopl can say or think whatever they want.

it doesn't make it true, though.

 

no matter how many claim 2 + 2 = 5

  Foncl

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2/17/13 6:26:42 AM#27
Sounds like you need a break from PoE, the game is fine for solo. You can build different characters that specialize in doing certain types of maps or build one that can do ok in all maps. Leveling will be faster in groups but I think that's how it should be.
  zymurgeist

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2/17/13 6:37:10 AM#28

PoE is not an MMO. You can't bend the term that far and have it retain any meaning. Words have meanings and if we discard them we will no longer be able to communicate.

There is nothing wrong with having a group focused mode of play, if it's done well. If it's not done well that's the problem is it's not done well not that it was done at all. Complaining about the grind of an ARPG is like complaing about the liquidity of water. That's what they are.

Every game does not have to be the same.

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  Slapshot1188

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2/17/13 6:39:19 AM#29
Originally posted by SuperNick

Even if this was an MMO, the guy has a point.

What MMO in the last 5 years has been group focused? They're all geared towards the ability to play solo or group if you choose. The days of forced grouping went bye-bye with DAOC, many years ago.

Sure, to get the best gear in say TERA, WoW or GW2 you're gonna need to group up somewhat but that is an optional choice to get marginal upgrades on the whole whereas once upon a time it was your only option, not to mention you'd pretty much have to group up to level.

 What MMO in the last 5 years has really been successful?  Since "They're all geared towards the ability to play solo"... if would imaging the list would be pretty long over 5 years.  Sadly... the list is quite short.  So I think your points actually proved the opposite.   Yes almost all the MMOs of the last 5 years have been solo focused... but nearly all of those have also been failures.

 

"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  Slapshot1188

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2/17/13 6:41:09 AM#30
Originally posted by Bladestrom
Look up the definition of mmorpg, massive refers to the number of people in the same instance at the same time. If the core gameplay is 5 man instances then it is not massive, it's a lobby game (and I don't mean that as a negative term). You could equally say that a online chess game with 10s of thousands of players online at the same time is massively online.

 You might be right...

 

.. but last I checked this was MMORPG.COM...  and this was the PoE forum on that site.

"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  zymurgeist

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2/17/13 6:44:22 AM#31
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
Originally posted by Bladestrom
Look up the definition of mmorpg, massive refers to the number of people in the same instance at the same time. If the core gameplay is 5 man instances then it is not massive, it's a lobby game (and I don't mean that as a negative term). You could equally say that a online chess game with 10s of thousands of players online at the same time is massively online.

 You might be right...

 

.. but last I checked this was MMORPG.COM...  and this was the PoE forum on that site.

 Just because it's MMORPG.com doesn't mean it covers only MMORPGs. Quite the opposite is true.

"Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  Slapshot1188

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2/17/13 6:47:53 AM#32
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
Originally posted by Bladestrom
Look up the definition of mmorpg, massive refers to the number of people in the same instance at the same time. If the core gameplay is 5 man instances then it is not massive, it's a lobby game (and I don't mean that as a negative term). You could equally say that a online chess game with 10s of thousands of players online at the same time is massively online.

 You might be right...

 

.. but last I checked this was MMORPG.COM...  and this was the PoE forum on that site.

 Just because it's MMORPG.com doesn't mean it covers only MMORPGs. Quite the opposite is true.

 Simply saying that there is no agreeded upon definition of what an "MMORPG" is.

"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  TwoThreeFour

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2/17/13 6:54:29 AM#33
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by vzerov

 Peopl can say or think whatever they want.

it doesn't make it true, though.

 

no matter how many claim 2 + 2 = 5

However 2+2 = 5 is true in a modulo one ring. So the morale of the story: context matters, what is false in one context may not necessarely be so in another context.

  zymurgeist

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2/17/13 6:54:39 AM#34
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
Originally posted by Bladestrom
Look up the definition of mmorpg, massive refers to the number of people in the same instance at the same time. If the core gameplay is 5 man instances then it is not massive, it's a lobby game (and I don't mean that as a negative term). You could equally say that a online chess game with 10s of thousands of players online at the same time is massively online.

 You might be right...

 

.. but last I checked this was MMORPG.COM...  and this was the PoE forum on that site.

 Just because it's MMORPG.com doesn't mean it covers only MMORPGs. Quite the opposite is true.

 Simply saying that there is no agreeded upon definition of what an "MMORPG" is.

 Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. The definition is in the acronym. Just because some people can't understand the obvious doesn't invalidate the meaning. They're simply wrong.

"Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  Doogiehowser

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2/17/13 6:59:35 AM#35
Originally posted by Myrdynn
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Myrdynn

grouping in an MMO, how dare they

Skyrim had great solo play

 

Path of Exile is an MMO? I thought it was a lobby based co-op action RPG.

I play POE the same way I played WOW for the last 2 yrs, sit in a Town, wait for my group and goto an instance, or sit in a town, wait for a Raid, goto an instance, or sit in a town, wait for PVP goto an instance, or go out and farm by myself for supplies so that I can sit in town some more waiting for a group.

Seems that its just like the worlds biggest MMO to me, except without the Pandas

 

So in WOW you leveled from 1st level to all the way to cap by doing nothing but dungeons? really?  you didn't go out in the open world? didn't do any quests? never participated in PVP?i know you want to make a point about how you can play POE like WOW... but why exaggerate?

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  BizkitNL

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2/17/13 7:06:20 AM#36

PoE is not an mmo.

In fact, and I quote the PoE developers:

"Path of Exile is an online Action RPG...."

Now, anyone that STILL says it's an MMO should be straight-up slapped on the noggin.

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  Entris38

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2/17/13 7:12:26 AM#37

These are the type of complaints that ruined MMO's for me, in another sense it made MMO's huge. Either way companies catered to "solo" complaints and made MMO's single player games.

 

PoE is not an MMO like many others have stated. Co-op action game...........if somone wants a pure single player experience there are more than one or two of those games tp be found I bet, but seriously, make some friends in game, it's a far better experience in gaming.

  Trueforral1

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2/20/13 7:48:08 AM#38

 


Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

Originally posted by Bladestrom Look up the definition of mmorpg, massive refers to the number of people in the same instance at the same time. If the core gameplay is 5 man instances then it is not massive, it's a lobby game (and I don't mean that as a negative term). You could equally say that a online chess game with 10s of thousands of players online at the same time is massively online.
 You might be right...   .. but last I checked this was MMORPG.COM...  and this was the PoE forum on that site.
 Just because it's MMORPG.com doesn't mean it covers only MMORPGs. Quite the opposite is true.
 Simply saying that there is no agreeded upon definition of what an "MMORPG" is.
 Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. The definition is in the acronym. Just because some people can't understand the obvious doesn't invalidate the meaning. They're simply wrong.

 

But even if the definition of MMORPG is in the acronym, the parts of its definition remain hazy. What exactly does Massively Multiplayer constitute? For instance, where does simple Multiplayer become massive? Is it multiplayer if players simply exist within the same world without really interacting? Further, what defines an RPG, really? One could argue that due the hazy definitions of RPGs that Super Mario qualifies, because you play the role of a mushroom addled plumber, and that Modern Warfare too is an RPG because you play the role of a soldier.  The only thing that's crystal clear is the Online part of MMORPG.

Which is why one can argue about it, and also why it's ultimately fruitless to do so, because people can come at it from a multitude of angles and perspectives, and present opposing ideas that nonetheless still can be argued to all be right.

  DMKano

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2/20/13 7:56:02 AM#39

I always listen to the developer, see what their description of their own game is - and Grinding Gear Games clearly stated that PoE is not a mmorpg, no real surprise as it obviously it isn't.

Go to the official site - read the first sentence, online action RPG.

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  inmysights

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2/20/13 8:02:45 AM#40
no matter what, POE is a pretty damn awesome game! 

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