Originally posted by Kniknax

Originally posted by PyrateLV

Id rather they use a Director that prefers the OT and maybe even stood in line at the theatre is 77 instead of the "Director Du Jour"

 

So, someone like, say, JJ Abrams then? ;)

I didnt realize he was 46. Thought he was much younger.

Is he a hardcore fan of the OT?

If you ask Abrams, Who shot first? What would his answer be?

Originally posted by Ortwig

Originally posted by FromHell

What a complete joke, same director for Star Trek and Star Wars??

I hate those stupid lense flare effects and Abrams whole directing style just sucks monkey balls, great Disney, thanks for ruining the new movies before even start shooting.

The whole Star Wars franchise went down hill with the prequels, then SWTOR, now JJ Abrams directing the sequels? Guess I´m officially done with Star Wars. 

Oh let me guess who will do the music! Disney darling Hans Zimmer maybe? Perhaps they´ll scrap John Willims music, if they want to further butcher the IP this makes totally sense.

I actually thought the idea of Ben Affleck was more interesting.  He really seemed to get the vibe of the 70's in Argo, and I think he might have put more focus on the characters, which really made Star Wars what it was.  Star Wars succeeded in spite of George Lucas because of Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford, and I think Affleck, of all the directors, understood this.  Keep in mind that the director of Empire, Lawrence Kasdan, had never done an SF movie before then.  Star Wars needs interesting characters first and foremost, a dash of drama and humor, and special effects as tertiary.  I want DIRT brought back to the Star Wars franchise....

Too many movies today are just action-packed zergfests.  The Hunger Games was the only one I've seen recently that overcame that.

Lawrence Kasdan was a writer for Empire, not the director.  Irvin Kershner was the director.  He was also George Lucas' professor at USC.

Originally posted by achesoma

Originally posted by Ortwig

Originally posted by FromHell

What a complete joke, same director for Star Trek and Star Wars??

I hate those stupid lense flare effects and Abrams whole directing style just sucks monkey balls, great Disney, thanks for ruining the new movies before even start shooting.

The whole Star Wars franchise went down hill with the prequels, then SWTOR, now JJ Abrams directing the sequels? Guess I´m officially done with Star Wars. 

Oh let me guess who will do the music! Disney darling Hans Zimmer maybe? Perhaps they´ll scrap John Willims music, if they want to further butcher the IP this makes totally sense.

I actually thought the idea of Ben Affleck was more interesting.  He really seemed to get the vibe of the 70's in Argo, and I think he might have put more focus on the characters, which really made Star Wars what it was.  Star Wars succeeded in spite of George Lucas because of Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford, and I think Affleck, of all the directors, understood this.  Keep in mind that the director of Empire, Lawrence Kasdan, had never done an SF movie before then.  Star Wars needs interesting characters first and foremost, a dash of drama and humor, and special effects as tertiary.  I want DIRT brought back to the Star Wars franchise....

Too many movies today are just action-packed zergfests.  The Hunger Games was the only one I've seen recently that overcame that.

Lawrence Kasdan was a writer for Empire, not the director.  Irvin Kershner was the director.  He was also George Lucas' professor at USC.

Oops right on that; I knew had that mixed up.  The lack of SF directing experience statement (for Irvin) stands, though.  Previous work included :

1976 Raid on Entebbe (TV movie) 

Originally posted by PyrateLV

Originally posted by Kniknax

Originally posted by PyrateLV

Id rather they use a Director that prefers the OT and maybe even stood in line at the theatre is 77 instead of the "Director Du Jour"

 

So, someone like, say, JJ Abrams then? ;)

I didnt realize he was 46. Thought he was much younger.

Is he a hardcore fan of the OT?

If you ask Abrams, Who shot first? What would his answer be?

Kirk

Originally posted by Doogiehowser
JJ is awesome. Haters gonna hate. Star Trek frenchise was dead before this guy gave it much needed CPR. 

oh wow, adding young good looking actors, lensflares and upping the special fx budget! what a GENIUS this guy is.

Originally posted by FromHell

Originally posted by Doogiehowser
JJ is awesome. Haters gonna hate. Star Trek frenchise was dead before this guy gave it much needed CPR. 

oh wow, adding young good looking actors, lensflares and upping the special fx budget! what a GENIUS this guy is.

Well let's see...

2002 Nemesis

Tomatometer: 38%

2009 Star Trek

Tomatometer: 95%

Genius or not, the last movie was way better than the crap that proceeded it. 

Originally posted by waynejr2
I have this horrible image of a movie:  Attack of the Jar Jar Clones.......

Jar Jar wouldn't be that bad if Lucas was in tune with the seriousness that Star Wars commands.

Around the same time, the Star Wars Trilogy appeared around the same time as LoTR, more or less.

I never saw Frodo say "with this you will pay", to be followed with "< crack > oh I'm dead now I'll pay with visa."  Nobody actually said that, but just a point to highligt how absurd some one-liners are in some genre's

. .. in Star Wars, you get other one-liners like "This is such a drag", in which C3PO's head was being dragged on the ground (ep-5).  Many more exist.

[The Hobbit was dumbed down with Lucas style jokes, along with senseless fights to extend the film. - it includes stupid one-liners as well ruining the movie to me.  I can't do justice to the phrase in The hobbit {when the Orc was being dropped over a cliff, stupid phrase}, like "oh I guess I will die now", (to Bilbo's plea to just Die Now).)  .. but I saw it once, and it was pretty pathietic.  Other scenese were bad too.]

J.R. Tolkien would roll in his grave.  George Lucas just laughs.

/sigh

Movies today are dumb.  They have no respect for what made the theme even possible.  Just some new financial institual trying to make a quick buck.   Nobody cares about fans, just about how much $$ they can make on the box office.

I read today that Harrison Ford will be in the movie. Rumor not confirmed though yet

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/reports-harrison-ford-return-star-wars-7-172300495.html

http://latino-review.com/2013/02/15/exclusive-harrison-ford-return-han-solo-star-wars-episode-vii/

Originally posted by Karteli

Originally posted by waynejr2
I have this horrible image of a movie:  Attack of the Jar Jar Clones.......

Jar Jar wouldn't be that bad if Lucas was in tune with the seriousness that Star Wars commands.

 

Around the same time, the Star Wars Trilogy appeared around the same time as LoTR, more or less.

 

I never saw Frodo say "with this you will pay", to be followed with "< crack > oh I'm dead now I'll pay with visa."  Nobody actually said that, but just a point to highligt how absurd some one-liners are in some genre's

. .. in Star Wars, you get other one-liners like "This is such a drag", in which C3PO's head was being dragged on the ground (ep-5).  Many more exist.

 

[The Hobbit was dumbed down with Lucas style jokes, along with senseless fights to extend the film. - it includes stupid one-liners as well ruining the movie to me.  I can't do justice to the phrase in The hobbit {when the Orc was being dropped over a cliff, stupid phrase}, like "oh I guess I will die now", (to Bilbo's plea to just Die Now).)  .. but I saw it once, and it was pretty pathietic.  Other scenese were bad too.]

 

J.R. Tolkien would roll in his grave.  George Lucas just laughs.

 

/sigh

 

Movies today are dumb.  They have no respect for what made the theme even possible.  Just some new financial institual trying to make a quick buck.   Nobody cares about fans, just about how much $$ they can make on the box office.

 

 I would like to see someone do a movie of lord of the rings where the hobbits are mobsters.  In the end, they get rid of all the bad guys and the elves and even the king gets on one knee to them.

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by PyrateLV

Originally posted by Kniknax

Originally posted by PyrateLV

Id rather they use a Director that prefers the OT and maybe even stood in line at the theatre is 77 instead of the "Director Du Jour"

 

So, someone like, say, JJ Abrams then? ;)

I didnt realize he was 46. Thought he was much younger.

Is he a hardcore fan of the OT?

If you ask Abrams, Who shot first? What would his answer be?

Kirk

This is the best post of the year thus far.

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by FromHell

Originally posted by Doogiehowser
JJ is awesome. Haters gonna hate. Star Trek frenchise was dead before this guy gave it much needed CPR. 

oh wow, adding young good looking actors, lensflares and upping the special fx budget! what a GENIUS this guy is.

Well let's see...

2002 Nemesis

Worldwide:

$67,312,826

 

Tomatometer: 38%

 

2009 Star Trek

 

Worldwide:

$385,680,446

 

Tomatometer: 95%

Genius or not, the last movie was way better than the crap that proceeded it. 

 

What´s this latest trend of consumers acting like they had ANY kind of profit if a movie or game makes better revenue?

Who the hell cares, besides the studio? Do people have any benefit or justification if they can quote numbers like that?

"Old" Star Trek was for a niche audience, and it should have remained niche. Why did this IP need to go mainstream blockbuster for a "broad audience", with lots of pew-pew, shiny FX and more attractive young actors?

You just don´t get what a bad move it is to get Abrams for both Star Trek and Star Wars, they will use the very same formula for Star Wars and at the end there won´t be much difference apart from space ship design, mark my words. Prepare for Lensflare Wars and juicy actors right out of Disney Channel, lots of CG and no soul. 

Don´t forget to add generic jerk character #XY (Jarjar Binks type), add some "I´ve got a bad feeling about this" lines to the script and Star Wars 7 is ready for primetime.

Originally posted by FromHell

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by FromHell

Originally posted by Doogiehowser
JJ is awesome. Haters gonna hate. Star Trek frenchise was dead before this guy gave it much needed CPR. 

oh wow, adding young good looking actors, lensflares and upping the special fx budget! what a GENIUS this guy is.

Well let's see...

2002 Nemesis

Worldwide:

$67,312,826

 

Tomatometer: 38%

 

2009 Star Trek

 

Worldwide:

$385,680,446

 

Tomatometer: 95%

Genius or not, the last movie was way better than the crap that proceeded it. 

 

What´s this latest trend of consumers acting like they had ANY kind of profit if a movie or game makes better revenue?

Who the hell cares, besides the studio? Do people have any benefit or justification if they can quote numbers like that?

"Old" Star Trek was for a niche audience, and it should have remained niche. Why did this IP need to go mainstream blockbuster for a "broad audience", with lots of pew-pew, shiny FX and more attractive young actors?

You just don´t get what a bad move it is to get Abrams for both Star Trek and Star Wars, they will use the very same formula for Star Wars and at the end there won´t be much difference apart from space ship design, mark my words. Prepare for Lensflare Wars and juicy actors right out of Disney Channel, lots of CG and no soul. 

Don´t forget to add generic jerk character #XY (Jarjar Binks type), add some "I´ve got a bad feeling about this" lines to the script and Star Wars 7 is ready for primetime.

 

Those first two statements contradict itself. If studios don't make money they can not make movies. To stay in business they need money. Star Trek was 'niche' audeince because it never got the exposure it deserved. The original Star Trek  was cancelled because when it was aired no one was intersted in it. It became popular long time after tits cancelation due to low interest.

I don't know who made this rule that niche automatically tanslates to quality or good. Niche or not Star Trek fans have always been waiting for the revival of the the series something which no one thought would ever happen. After Enterprise was canned it became clear that Str Trek days are gone.

But JJ gave it a face lift and brought it up to date with the audience. As far as adding young actors, and fx is concerned how old do you think actors were in original Star Trek? and if Rodenberry had techonology back then you think he won't bust out all the FX?

New Star Trek movie was way better than all of the later three instalations of Star Wars combined.

Originally posted by FromHell

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by FromHell

Originally posted by Doogiehowser
JJ is awesome. Haters gonna hate. Star Trek frenchise was dead before this guy gave it much needed CPR. 

oh wow, adding young good looking actors, lensflares and upping the special fx budget! what a GENIUS this guy is.

Well let's see...

2002 Nemesis

Worldwide:

$67,312,826

 

Tomatometer: 38%

 

2009 Star Trek

 

Worldwide:

$385,680,446

 

Tomatometer: 95%

Genius or not, the last movie was way better than the crap that proceeded it. 

 

What´s this latest trend of consumers acting like they had ANY kind of profit if a movie or game makes better revenue?

Who the hell cares, besides the studio? Do people have any benefit or justification if they can quote numbers like that?

The revenue is more than just what profit the studio made. It's also an indication of how popular the movie was with the people. Not only did the movie make a lot of money for the studio, but most critic and user reviews were overwhelmingly positive.  This was not the case in the past. Usually Trek movies did average performance at the box office and mediocre reviews. The exceptions were TWOK and TVH and those movies came out thirty years ago. 

"Old" Star Trek was for a niche audience, and it should have remained niche. Why did this IP need to go mainstream blockbuster for a "broad audience", with lots of pew-pew, shiny FX and more attractive young actors?

It was far more than pew pew and shiny FX. Nemesis had lots of that and it fell flat on its face. The cast for this last movie was exceptional and so was the story. They removed the clausterphobic and blandness that had permeated this franchise. 

You just don´t get what a bad move it is to get Abrams for both Star Trek and Star Wars, they will use the very same formula for Star Wars and at the end there won´t be much difference apart from space ship design, mark my words.

All I can say is before the last movie Star Trek was not even a niche. It was DEAD. Nemesis was a failure and the Enterprise series was canceled prematurely. If you like that era of the franchise it will always be there for you on home video. 

Far as what formula Abrams uses, it can't be much worse than what Lucas used on the prequals. That forumla was old and stale. 

 

Originally posted by apocoluster
     I wish someone would make a "hard" sci fi Starwars...but it would be dull and slow paced.  Not that Space Opera is bad...Just after reading the Honor Harrington books..I want to see some "real" physics in my space movies

You might like the movie Sunshine.  Good stuff.

Originally posted by Thorkune
I have never been a Star Trek fan. But, after watching the newer version, I am now a huge fan. I am excited that Abrams wants to put his creative genius in the Star Wars universe.

No you are not, you just liked a film. If you didn't like the 50odd years of Star Trek TV and films you can hardly describe yourself as a huge Star Trek fan.

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Thorkune
I have never been a Star Trek fan. But, after watching the newer version, I am now a huge fan. I am excited that Abrams wants to put his creative genius in the Star Wars universe.

No you are not, you just liked a film. If you didn't like the 50odd years of Star Trek TV and films you can hardly describe yourself as a huge Star Trek fan.

I liked the part in the new Star Trek movie when they blew up the time travelling Death Star at the end. My guess is the Romulans will probably show up again in the next Star Wars movie again.

Originally posted by tiefighter25

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Thorkune
I have never been a Star Trek fan. But, after watching the newer version, I am now a huge fan. I am excited that Abrams wants to put his creative genius in the Star Wars universe.

No you are not, you just liked a film. If you didn't like the 50odd years of Star Trek TV and films you can hardly describe yourself as a huge Star Trek fan.

I liked the part in the new Star Trek movie when they blew up the time travelling Death Star at the end. My guess is the Romulans will probably show up again in the next Star Wars movie again.

My favourite part was when Gandalf Kenobi killed Darth Voldemort.