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  User Deleted
2/16/13 6:21:44 PM#21

Good grief, talk about overstating how Warhammer Online went. 

Jacobs was the man behind the company, sure.  He's the same guy behind DAOC which is still beloved to this day.  In Jacob's defense, he's avoiding the big corporate monster that arguably swallowed WAR whole.

  skyexile

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2/16/13 6:42:07 PM#22

WAR certainly didn't live up to the hype or what was expected from it, but it was still probably the best fantasy MMO PvP game released in the last 8 years.

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  PeculiarJohn

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2/16/13 8:06:40 PM#23

Not sure if OP is trolling or genuinely concerned.  But...

 

1) Every new game needs to be promoted.  Otherwise, there would be like 2 subscribers at launch.  For god's sake, mmorpg.com has a "hype meter."

 

2) Transparency is a HUGE priority in all of this.  The starry-eyed hype is mostly being generated by how incredibly hopeful we all are to see this game launch without a hitch.  We're all going to be more invested in this at launch (assuming that we are the ones who will back the kickstarter effort) than we would be with other games.  Fault the supporters more than City State for any undue hype.

 

  craftseeker

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2/16/13 8:29:27 PM#24

Having been motivated into doing some looking around about this project I wonder how City State Entertainment LLC went from being:

"a brand-focused studio creating intellectual property for the mobile, tablet and social networking spaces."

press release published on Business wire 30 Sept 2011.

and a partner of GigaMedia who said on the 22 Nov 2011:

“We are proud to be working with him and thrilled to have him and his newly formed team develop new games and brands with us. By expanding our product offerings to games for Internet-enabled mobile devices, we are positioning ourselves to benefit from the ongoing shift from PCs to mobile computing and the continued strong popularity and growth of social gaming."

To working on his own and about to start a Kickstarter funding project for a (presumably) PC based MMO focussed on RvR PvP?

Also who was the Singapore based partner (hence the city state name) and why was that partnership disolved? (GigaMedia is based in Taipei)

Finally when did he and his team start working on the concept of Camelot Unleashed? 
 
I have seen the video so at least some work has been done in fleshing out the concept and we have a month or so on this forum.  But it probably did not start before this time last year and may be much more recent than that.
  Gaoxin

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2/16/13 8:33:58 PM#25
Originally posted by Satarious

He's also the legend behind Dark Age of Camelot, which many consider the best pvp mmo.

And by many you mean the DAOC community?^^

  Jetrpg

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2/16/13 8:34:33 PM#26
Originally posted by Xobdnas

...

If you also look at his project goals, he isn't trying to generate a million subs, he wants a small niche old school MMO. ...

Noi he is not, it has no pve, its a new age mmo where all advancement is rvr or for rvr, w/e.

Lastly, if you listen to his talk, or read his posts, I can't tell you how many times he has said he is trying NOT to hype it. Naturally this being the net, and most of us desperate for any remotely old school MMO we all went crazy at the notion, despite his efforts ;)

I would agree he seems to be candid with us.

 

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  Jetrpg

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2/16/13 8:36:20 PM#27
Originally posted by Gaoxin
Originally posted by Satarious

He's also the legend behind Dark Age of Camelot, which many consider the best pvp mmo.

And by many you mean the DAOC community?^^

No generaly in the vet mmorpg player community.

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  craftseeker

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2/16/13 8:43:01 PM#28
Originally posted by craftseeker

Having been motivated into doing some looking around about this project I wonder how City State Entertainment LLC went from being:

"a brand-focused studio creating intellectual property for the mobile, tablet and social networking spaces."

press release published on Business wire 30 Sept 2011.

and a partner of GigaMedia who said on the 22 Nov 2011:

“We are proud to be working with him and thrilled to have him and his newly formed team develop new games and brands with us. By expanding our product offerings to games for Internet-enabled mobile devices, we are positioning ourselves to benefit from the ongoing shift from PCs to mobile computing and the continued strong popularity and growth of social gaming."

To working on his own and about to start a Kickstarter funding project for a (presumably) PC based MMO focussed on RvR PvP?

Also who was the Singapore based partner (hence the city state name) and why was that partnership disolved? (GigaMedia is based in Taipei)

Finally when did he and his team start working on the concept of Camelot Unleashed? 
 
I have seen the video so at least some work has been done in fleshing out the concept and we have a month or so on this forum.  But it probably did not start before this time last year and may be much more recent than that.

Please note that Mark has responded to substantially the same post in another thread.  He has clearly stated the facts on this speculation and put it to bed entirely.

 

  bcbully

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2/16/13 8:48:10 PM#29
Too soon to even look at honestly.
  emperorwings

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2/16/13 8:51:38 PM#30
Yeah if WAR had players it would still be a good game.

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  bcbully

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2/16/13 9:58:55 PM#31
Originally posted by PeculiarJohn

Not sure if OP is trolling or genuinely concerned.  But...

 

1) Every new game needs to be promoted.  Otherwise, there would be like 2 subscribers at launch.  For god's sake, mmorpg.com has a "hype meter."

 

2) Transparency is a HUGE priority in all of this.  The starry-eyed hype is mostly being generated by how incredibly hopeful we all are to see this game launch without a hitch.  We're all going to be more invested in this at launch (assuming that we are the ones who will back the kickstarter effort) than we would be with other games.  Fault the supporters more than City State for any undue hype.

 

I agree with the white. The peach (pink?) though, seems much too soon.  

  MMOExposed

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OP  2/16/13 10:26:18 PM#32
Originally posted by PeculiarJohn

Not sure if OP is trolling or genuinely concerned.  But...

 

1) Every new game needs to be promoted.  Otherwise, there would be like 2 subscribers at launch.  For god's sake, mmorpg.com has a "hype meter."

 

2) Transparency is a HUGE priority in all of this.  The starry-eyed hype is mostly being generated by how incredibly hopeful we all are to see this game launch without a hitch.  We're all going to be more invested in this at launch (assuming that we are the ones who will back the kickstarter effort) than we would be with other games.  Fault the supporters more than City State for any undue hype.

 

Not sure if satire .

  azzamasin

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2/16/13 10:33:06 PM#33
Originally posted by Satarious
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Hi, not trying to bash the game, but isn't this guy that is speaking for the game to the community, the same exact person that did the massive hyping of Warhammrr Online?

To me, that indicates that he is somebody that knows how to use and exploit hype, to mislead the masses, and paint them a false image of a product based on hype, and exploit many people.

 

You all should be careful. This should be a big Red Flag. But I am just pointing this out, so that maybe people who are interested in this game would look at it more realistically and no get exploited once again by a MMO developer/publisher....

:-/ 

He's also the legend behind Dark Age of Camelot, which many consider the best pvp mmo.  You can't completely condemn  a man for mistakes he's made, especially when he's upfront and honest about it all and seeking to redeem himself.  Nobody is perfect.  The greats at anything have made mistakes.

Actually Matt Firor was the brains behind DAoC.  Coincidently he is also producing an RvR focused MMO called Elder Scrolls Online.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  Satarious

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2/16/13 10:36:35 PM#34
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by Satarious
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Hi, not trying to bash the game, but isn't this guy that is speaking for the game to the community, the same exact person that did the massive hyping of Warhammrr Online?

To me, that indicates that he is somebody that knows how to use and exploit hype, to mislead the masses, and paint them a false image of a product based on hype, and exploit many people.

 

You all should be careful. This should be a big Red Flag. But I am just pointing this out, so that maybe people who are interested in this game would look at it more realistically and no get exploited once again by a MMO developer/publisher....

:-/ 

He's also the legend behind Dark Age of Camelot, which many consider the best pvp mmo.  You can't completely condemn  a man for mistakes he's made, especially when he's upfront and honest about it all and seeking to redeem himself.  Nobody is perfect.  The greats at anything have made mistakes.

Actually Matt Firor was the brains behind DAoC.  Coincidently he is also producing an RvR focused MMO called Elder Scrolls Online.

Here's Matt Frior talking about Mark Jacobs:  "Mark likes to speak his mind on issues that he feels passionately about. Just like anyone else, he's not right all the time – but on MMO issues, he's right more of the time that most people in the industry. He also calls things like he sees them, which can annoy people who aren't used to such directness. But I think Mythic's track record speaks for itself'

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/11/feature/797/Matt-Firor-Formerly-of-Mythic-Ent.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c

  Silverbarr

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2/16/13 10:38:37 PM#35
Everything he says sounds great, what I am worried about is that a solely RvR experience is basically a step towards an MMOBA (large scale) game. I'm hoping it will have the same retro feel I used to have with DAoC, etc. but without any sort of PvE I do get slightly concerned.

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  MarkJacobs

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2/16/13 10:40:39 PM#36
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by Satarious
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Hi, not trying to bash the game, but isn't this guy that is speaking for the game to the community, the same exact person that did the massive hyping of Warhammrr Online?

To me, that indicates that he is somebody that knows how to use and exploit hype, to mislead the masses, and paint them a false image of a product based on hype, and exploit many people.

 

You all should be careful. This should be a big Red Flag. But I am just pointing this out, so that maybe people who are interested in this game would look at it more realistically and no get exploited once again by a MMO developer/publisher....

:-/ 

He's also the legend behind Dark Age of Camelot, which many consider the best pvp mmo.  You can't completely condemn  a man for mistakes he's made, especially when he's upfront and honest about it all and seeking to redeem himself.  Nobody is perfect.  The greats at anything have made mistakes.

Actually Matt Firor was the brains behind DAoC.  Coincidently he is also producing an RvR focused MMO called Elder Scrolls Online.

Umm, no. Matt was a key member of the team that produced Dark Age of Camelot. Nobody, even me should take credit for that being the "brains behind DAoC" because that would be an insult to every member of the Mythic team that worked long hours for truly crap pay, weekends, etc. to build the game. As Matt would be the first to tell you himself, I'm sure, Dark Age of Camelot was a game that every member of the team contributed a lot to, everyone. Matt was a great producer, did some fine design work and without him Dark Age of Camelot would not have happened. But, as the story below shows, it was my idea and I was the CEO of the studio as well the guy who brought in the investors, signed the checks, put his name on leases, etc.  And like I said, I won't take credit away from everyone who made Dark Age of Camelot the game it was by simply saying "I was the brains behind DAoC!" no matter how much I did on that game that isn't talked about. Hey, sounds like a scene from Spartacus, the Camelot Years! "No, I'm the brains", "No, I'm the brains!" All we need is some zombies now.:)

Matt Firor is an honorable and honest man, a great guy and he was a fabulous producer/designer/etc. and I'll let his own words tell part of the story.

Link here: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131418/postmortem_mythic_entertainments_.php

Also, there are names that Matt did leave out that also played a big role in Dark Age of Camelot's success, names such as Lori & Darrin Hyrup, Scott Jennings, Sanya Weathers, Marty Brown and many more who also played major roles in that game's success. Please don't do them a disservice by giving all credit to Matt or anyone else, including me.

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  Stiler

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2/17/13 3:50:18 AM#37

Ah Scott Jennings, I miss his old Lum the Mad site he ran back in the 90's, was great reading it from the UO days.

Would love to see him get on board with CU.

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2/17/13 4:51:48 AM#38
Originally posted by ragz45
Mark generally just repeated things that his team had told him would be in the game or would work.  He really ended up getting stabbed in the back by a lot of his development team because of this, when things went south.

Thus EA hung him out to dry, used him as a patsy, made him the sacraficial goat.... you get the idea.

I do love these chronological reconstructions for which dev was the Bad Guy and which ones were Innocent Victims, years later and after the fact.

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2/17/13 5:30:24 AM#39
Originally posted by azzamasin

Actually Matt Firor was the brains behind DAoC.  Coincidently he is also producing an RvR focused MMO called Elder Scrolls Online.

I'd say TESO is more of a PvE focused MMO that also has RvR. For instance in TESO your PvE gear is also used in RvR which means inevitably you will be forced to raid in order to remain competitive in RvR. Also it sounds like TESO will be similar to WAR and GW 2 in that it will be heavily focused on keep taking. It also has an unusual mega-server system where all players will be on one server then you choose which RvR sub-server to play on. Draw your own conclusions about how well all that will work. For me, those design choices make it appeal to me much less than CU although I'll certainly take a look at it (in beta).


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  tawess

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2/17/13 5:35:34 AM#40

Yes the it was Paul Barnett who was the publicity guy, and while many do not like him he did what he was paid for and he did it very well.

 

Now what speaks for this new title is the fact that the PvP was the only part of WAR that was enjoyable (flawed as it might have been) and while i never got on the DAoC wagon i had several friends who did and as far as i gather it had a fairly solid system (even if the expansions did a number on that as i understand it)

 

So i think this have the potential to be a small but solidly supported nostalgia driven MMO with a good PvP. And as long as it keep it self in the black.. it does not have to be any more then that.

 

But i also think it is Marks last chance. If this fails it will prove that he had one good game in him and that game is done.

Tomas Soapbox

This have been a good conversation

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