Originally posted by Magnetia

Lovely story. I still reject anyone who doesn't meet some sort of standard. Being sorry doesn't make me feel bad for you, it just confirms to me how bad you are. 

I'm not that kind of nice lovey dovey player. I played to kill bosses first and have a good time second.

and then QQ all over the place when the game becomes a boring grinder because theres nothing else to do.

Fun comes first any day.

i think community is very important in mmos. People new to mmos dont know things. Rejecting them because they dont know how to play their characters is just bullshit. All these people being jerks about it where in the same shoes at some point. I keep leaving guilds when they recruit me with a fancy macro saying they are so nice and drama free and helpfull crap then all they do is the opossite.

My friends in real life play WoW in private servers because WoW US is not supported in my native country (ip block in the caribbean) so i play alone in WoW US. When i join a friendly guild suddenly after a while im the only one loging in for months (when i sub for more than 1 month) so i have no reason to stay there.

Ive witnessed tons of jerks in Pugs and the only 2 raids i tried in my WoW life. Both failed  because there were a lot of people doing it wrong. While some of them pretending they were the gods of raids, i just dont even bother with that anymore. Doing it wrong for the sake of trolling is bad. But lack of knowledge (maybe because players are new to raids or even to the game) is different and if they keep being rejected because they dont know how to raid, then how are they going to learn? Reading a guide doesnt teach you unless you practice it. If nobody gives you the chance, how the hell are you going to learn? Thats why i prefer to be around casual players. Learning while having fun

very sad story...

I guess I got luck to be in guild and find friends who gave me clues about what/how to do.

I also looked Wiki (as I do for any game) and youtube and such to see how people acting at raids.

Well I was type average player: not elitist but not desperate either.

I think first real problem I got when we failed at HM dungeon like 2 weeks after Cata release. Whole group started to argue, then they started to kick.
I found it too hard to be to run around the boss to avoid his attacks and deal damage same time; also these days I got some sort of new lag, so failed hard.

Like 1 week later I was better in many dungeons while kept fail in others. Fail resumed to lost of dungeon as I got or kicked or whole group got disbanded and I need like 40 more min to find next group, so I got frustrated and bored and left WoW.

I don't know if game should add something like tutorial or simulation for fresh games, as before you done it X time, you gonna fail anyhow.

its actually kinda heart warming that the majority of the posts here are sympathetic with the "community/ people first" side of things and that the, well to be frank, jerks are in the minority.

i knew there were good folks who still played these games :)

As a former guild leader I myself have encountered this problem.  I've had a guild member, his first mmo, and he had no affinity for the game whatsoever, but he loved to play.  And as a guild leader I felt it was my responsibility to make sure all my guildies can enjoy the game.  But I didn't coddle him in my arms, I whooped his ass.  He asked for help and I did devote more time with him than most of my guildies, I never gave him a task that he could not do, or gave up on him when he asked for help.

It was a bitter relationship because he asked for help but deep down I knew he wanted to be carried, and he hated that I never appeased him.  It was a bitter struggle fighting him, and fighting my own officers that wanted me to give up on him.  But then a miracle happened, this guy hit the level cap, with his own stength, it was a little victory but it was his victory.  He told me this was the first time that he stuck with a game long enough to hit the level cap, and I was really proud of him.  But more importantly, he was proud of himself.

About 6 months later, after the guild disbanded (due to real life problems), he sent me an IM, telling me how he's in another guild now, and he's doing the high level content and is helping lower levels and he's highly respected among his guildies.  He told me I was the best guild leader he ever had, even though I had only been a guild leader for a short time.  It really warmed my heart.

The moral of the story is that if you find a new player that needs help, give them love, but make it tough love!

Nice story and it does show that we as a whole can change some peoples attitudes in games but it isn't very often which is a shame. The worst part is that new gamers will soon start to act like the players the encounter ingame as that is all they see.