Originally posted by MightyChasm

Originally posted by Yakkin

Originally posted by Thorbrand

Not being allowed to tell the truth and voice your opinion on something is against what it means to be an American and companies being allowed to control reviews so they get no bad publicity is just a slap in the face for gamers.

It's not so much controlling the flow of opinions so that no negative criticism ever reaches the public eye, but rather filtering the flow so the bullshit opinions with little to no effort put into them don't clog up the pipes and stifle creativity/intelligent conversations.

Actually in contradiction to my earlier point, negative criticism has its place.  If something is plain bad, irredeemable or a cash grab, people should be told in no uncertain terms.  But the 'white noise' of general shit throwing needs to be got rid of.  Bad English sorry.  

Well yeah, that's kind of a given. My statement applies to things that are far more opinion based.

Originally posted by Yakkin

Originally posted by MightyChasm

Originally posted by Yakkin

Originally posted by Thorbrand

Not being allowed to tell the truth and voice your opinion on something is against what it means to be an American and companies being allowed to control reviews so they get no bad publicity is just a slap in the face for gamers.

It's not so much controlling the flow of opinions so that no negative criticism ever reaches the public eye, but rather filtering the flow so the bullshit opinions with little to no effort put into them don't clog up the pipes and stifle creativity/intelligent conversations.

Actually in contradiction to my earlier point, negative criticism has its place.  If something is plain bad, irredeemable or a cash grab, people should be told in no uncertain terms.  But the 'white noise' of general shit throwing needs to be got rid of.  Bad English sorry.  

Well yeah, that's kind of a given. My statement applies to things that are far more opinion based.

So the general consensus of intelligent opinion should rule?  Why of course.  

Apathy kills games faster than criticism, destructive or otherwise. If no one cares to talk about your game, odds are no one is playing it and others won't hear about it. Any press is good press. I would love if antagonists stopped posting on the internet but it won't happen.

Originally posted by Safo

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by MightyChasm

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Aeonblades

Funny, whoever wrote it has next to no idea why trolls even exist, so I don't know if I trust his opinion on "destructive criticism".

 

Calling people who have different opinions than you a petulant toddler, whether it is constructive or destructive criticism, just seems like the author of the article itself is flame-baiting and trolling.

 

type of criticism has nothing to do with differing in opinions its how the criticism is worded

But you have some people on here who would argue semantics may differ but the point is the same and others who would say your point is crap.  Do I just dismiss the latter?  Yes, yes I do.  

 

I argue my point but unless someone is straight up lying I do not dismiss someone's opinion if it differs from mine.. Problem is most arguments I see is game x is pure crap or feature of game x is garbage.. How's that constructive or in anyway helpful to any conversation

Really between MightChasm and Aerowyn, this is pretty much done.  Seriously, using expletives to describe a feature or game, not expanding your thought beyond 'suck' 'blow' 'terrible', etc.. is just stupid and childish.  That is destructive and if you can't take the few more seconds to think out and form and properly worded response then you are obviously flame-baiting, trolling or just to childish to form a coherant thought.

"This PvP sucks!"  helps absolutely no one, all it does it drive people to ignore your statement or to hook into it and come back at you with "No, you suck!".   If you are lucky someone who likes the game and is intelligent will actually refute your argument with real information or hell they might even agree with you and lay it out in a constructive manner which people can relate to and agree with, even give a Dev something to think about beyond.  "Hey this guy thinks our PvP sucks..."

Desctructive Critism helps no one anywhere at anytime in any field or job.  All it does is piss someone off, make someone feel bad and just generally 9 times out of 10 blow something out of proportion and cause arguments.  

IT IS WORTHLESS.

agreed and i edited the OP so its readable heh

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Safo

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by MightyChasm

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Aeonblades

Funny, whoever wrote it has next to no idea why trolls even exist, so I don't know if I trust his opinion on "destructive criticism".

 

Calling people who have different opinions than you a petulant toddler, whether it is constructive or destructive criticism, just seems like the author of the article itself is flame-baiting and trolling.

 

type of criticism has nothing to do with differing in opinions its how the criticism is worded

But you have some people on here who would argue semantics may differ but the point is the same and others who would say your point is crap.  Do I just dismiss the latter?  Yes, yes I do.  

 

I argue my point but unless someone is straight up lying I do not dismiss someone's opinion if it differs from mine.. Problem is most arguments I see is game x is pure crap or feature of game x is garbage.. How's that constructive or in anyway helpful to any conversation

Really between MightChasm and Aerowyn, this is pretty much done.  Seriously, using expletives to describe a feature or game, not expanding your thought beyond 'suck' 'blow' 'terrible', etc.. is just stupid and childish.  That is destructive and if you can't take the few more seconds to think out and form and properly worded response then you are obviously flame-baiting, trolling or just to childish to form a coherant thought.

"This PvP sucks!"  helps absolutely no one, all it does it drive people to ignore your statement or to hook into it and come back at you with "No, you suck!".   If you are lucky someone who likes the game and is intelligent will actually refute your argument with real information or hell they might even agree with you and lay it out in a constructive manner which people can relate to and agree with, even give a Dev something to think about beyond.  "Hey this guy thinks our PvP sucks..."

Desctructive Critism helps no one anywhere at anytime in any field or job.  All it does is piss someone off, make someone feel bad and just generally 9 times out of 10 blow something out of proportion and cause arguments.  

IT IS WORTHLESS.

agreed and i edited the OP so its readable heh

Well, I disagree, my opinions wre utter arse.  

Originally posted by itgrowls

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by MightyChasm

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Aeonblades

Funny, whoever wrote it has next to no idea why trolls even exist, so I don't know if I trust his opinion on "destructive criticism".

 

Calling people who have different opinions than you a petulant toddler, whether it is constructive or destructive criticism, just seems like the author of the article itself is flame-baiting and trolling.

 

type of criticism has nothing to do with differing in opinions its how the criticism is worded

But you have some people on here who would argue semantics may differ but the point is the same and others who would say your point is crap.  Do I just dismiss the latter?  Yes, yes I do.  

 

I argue my point but unless someone is straight up lying I do not dismiss someone's opinion if it differs from mine.. Problem is most arguments I see is game x is pure crap or feature of game x is garbage.. How's that constructive or in anyway helpful to any conversation

That's actually not how you've been treating my posts about their economy in GW2 for example. The experiences of thousands of players their posted (and deleted) screenshots their posted (and ignored) videos on youtube they recorded themselves to illustrate how 1 person can get everything in a single 30 minute run and other people are getting crap and they're not doing a single thing about it was all but poo pooed by you and others on here as if I was lying. I wanted to love GW2 but what they did in Nov to loot and have continued to ignore for 5 months now has been nothing less then neglegant. When I report those things on these forums the last thing I'd expect is someone to attack my post as if I was lying when there is plenty of evidence to the support what I and others like me experience everyday in that game since Nov. The devs themselves are accusing the community of players of lying about their experiences we don't need other players doing it too.

you keep repeating the same thing over and over and over.. you made your point but by now it's to the point of trolling imho.. also your issues I have not experience nor heard anyone else on here or in game complain about said issues.. so not sure who these thousands of players are but i have not come across them yet. Again obviously not everyone has the same experiences as you or I but overall I have not  found anyone to have had the same issues(or if they have they have not found them to be game breaking or a huge issue in anyway since they haven't mentioned them)

I have also asked you to elaborate on how ascended gear in anyway effects most players in the game in anyway or has effected the game overall as I have not seen it.. ascended gear is needed for less than 1% of the entire games content to accomplish

Not everyone knows exactly why they are unhappy and just act on the default instinct is to lash out.

Some people just like to watch the world burn.

Some people are rutting rams.

We speak with many different voices and sometimes blur together into white noise.

Originally posted by maplestone

Not everyone knows exactly why they are unhappy and just act on the default instinct is to lash out.

Some people just like to watch the world burn.

Some people are rutting rams.

We speak with many different voices and sometimes blur together into white noise.

haha someone has been watching batman haha

Originally posted by Fearum
I don't think destructive criticism helps anyone except the person posting it. If you are unhappy with a game, sure vent a post about it. Its when you continue to pick it apart that really borders on trolling with a vengence, what is the point to stick around in something that you don't like? Its like going to a movie that you hate over and over to scream in the theatre about how the movie sucks and how you would like it to have been made your way. Sure you can do it, but what purpose does it serve in the end?

lol I like that analogy very much +1.. 

Originally posted by Fearum
I don't think destructive criticism helps anyone except the person posting it. If you are unhappy with a game, sure vent a post about it. Its when you continue to pick it apart that really borders on trolling with a vengence, what is the point to stick around in something that you don't like? Its like going to a movie that you hate over and over to scream in the theatre about how the movie sucks and how you would like it to have been made your way. Sure you can do it, but what purpose does it serve in the end?

I kind of disagree in the following circumstance; when the positives are overstated.  I see in certain threads a complete absence of objectivity or realism (imo of course) and feel that this should be countered.  

Originally posted by MightyChasm

Originally posted by Fearum
I don't think destructive criticism helps anyone except the person posting it. If you are unhappy with a game, sure vent a post about it. Its when you continue to pick it apart that really borders on trolling with a vengence, what is the point to stick around in something that you don't like? Its like going to a movie that you hate over and over to scream in the theatre about how the movie sucks and how you would like it to have been made your way. Sure you can do it, but what purpose does it serve in the end?

I kind of disagree in the following circumstance; when the positives are overstated.  I see in certain threads a complete absence of objectivity or realism (imo of course) and feel that this should be countered.  

sure but again if someone comes along and says game x is the best game ever made for xyz reasons and you find it absurd because you feel the game is garbage but your reply is i disagree game is shit.. how does that help anything at all? it just starts a flame war that 90% of these larger threads become

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by MightyChasm

Originally posted by Fearum
I don't think destructive criticism helps anyone except the person posting it. If you are unhappy with a game, sure vent a post about it. Its when you continue to pick it apart that really borders on trolling with a vengence, what is the point to stick around in something that you don't like? Its like going to a movie that you hate over and over to scream in the theatre about how the movie sucks and how you would like it to have been made your way. Sure you can do it, but what purpose does it serve in the end?

I kind of disagree in the following circumstance; when the positives are overstated.  I see in certain threads a complete absence of objectivity or realism (imo of course) and feel that this should be countered.  

sure but again if someone comes along and says game x is the best game ever made for xyz reasons and you find it absurd because you feel the game is garbage but your reply is i disagree game is shit.. how does that help anything at all? it just starts a flame war that 90% of these larger threads become

True, but when have these threads ever contained reasoned debate?  I think that this is a forum of those who shout loudest (or at least make the most controversial title/ comment).  

The OP's post would've been better if it was shortened by a lot.

Originally posted by MightyChasm

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by MightyChasm

Originally posted by Fearum
I don't think destructive criticism helps anyone except the person posting it. If you are unhappy with a game, sure vent a post about it. Its when you continue to pick it apart that really borders on trolling with a vengence, what is the point to stick around in something that you don't like? Its like going to a movie that you hate over and over to scream in the theatre about how the movie sucks and how you would like it to have been made your way. Sure you can do it, but what purpose does it serve in the end?

I kind of disagree in the following circumstance; when the positives are overstated.  I see in certain threads a complete absence of objectivity or realism (imo of course) and feel that this should be countered.  

sure but again if someone comes along and says game x is the best game ever made for xyz reasons and you find it absurd because you feel the game is garbage but your reply is i disagree game is shit.. how does that help anything at all? it just starts a flame war that 90% of these larger threads become

True, but when have these threads ever contained reasoned debate?  I think that this is a forum of those who shout loudest (or at least make the most controversial title/ comment).  

I think you mean the forums on this site.  There is a reason I have been a member since this site went live and barely posted at all...   and don't ask me why I suddenly decided to post now, cause I have no idea. 

Originally posted by Drolkin

The OP's post would've been better if it was shortened by a lot.

 

 

the OP is just my copy and paste of an article aside from the first paragraph

Originally posted by Safo

Originally posted by MightyChasm

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by MightyChasm

Originally posted by Fearum
I don't think destructive criticism helps anyone except the person posting it. If you are unhappy with a game, sure vent a post about it. Its when you continue to pick it apart that really borders on trolling with a vengence, what is the point to stick around in something that you don't like? Its like going to a movie that you hate over and over to scream in the theatre about how the movie sucks and how you would like it to have been made your way. Sure you can do it, but what purpose does it serve in the end?

I kind of disagree in the following circumstance; when the positives are overstated.  I see in certain threads a complete absence of objectivity or realism (imo of course) and feel that this should be countered.  

sure but again if someone comes along and says game x is the best game ever made for xyz reasons and you find it absurd because you feel the game is garbage but your reply is i disagree game is shit.. how does that help anything at all? it just starts a flame war that 90% of these larger threads become

True, but when have these threads ever contained reasoned debate?  I think that this is a forum of those who shout loudest (or at least make the most controversial title/ comment).  

I think you mean the forums on this site.  There is a reason I have been a member since this site went live and barely posted at all...   and don't ask me why I suddenly decided to post now, cause I have no idea. 

i'm sure someone like yourself that has been around this site since the start has seen more than enough destructive criticism to drive oneself crazy:P

Originally posted by BigHatLogan
I believe that we see so much destructive criticism with regard to the video game genre because there are so many examples of products completely and utterly without any redeeming value.  If i say that game X sucks because it wants me to kill 10 wolves all day so that one day i can gain a level or get a magic sword, is that constructive or destructive?   Does it matter?

It goes on merit mate. And that is down to a consensus of opinion. Sadly, almost everything comes down to a vote, not intellectual aptitude.  So, it depends what other people think.  [mod edit]

The problem is not the antagonists.  The problem is the _reaction_ of others to the antagonists.

They want to start a war.  People give it to them.  That reinforces and rewards the behavior.  Do you really want to reward the antagonists?

Ignore the idiots and they go away.  Simply don't feed the trolls.