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  Karteli

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

 
OP  2/12/13 7:58:58 PM#21
Originally posted by huskie77

The OP has complained in other EA, SWTOR and Hero engine threads about the "terrible" graphics engine and it's performance issues. I think it might be a compatibility issue for him/her as I have never experienced any such issue

 

That was enough cause for a response.

 

 

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Karteli

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Posts: 2704

 
OP  2/12/13 8:00:42 PM#22
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by huskie77
The OP has complained in other EA, SWTOR and Hero engine threads about the "terrible" graphics engine and it's performance issues. I think it might be a compatibility issue for him/her as I have never experienced any such issue

 

That was enough cause for a response.

So, if someone is vocal in other threads, suddenly a new topic is invalid?  I think not.

 

ps- sorry for the double response, quotation reply / copy / paste was funky.

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  huskie77

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Joined: 11/12/06
Posts: 369

2/12/13 8:05:56 PM#23
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by huskie77
The OP has complained in other EA, SWTOR and Hero engine threads about the "terrible" graphics engine and it's performance issues. I think it might be a compatibility issue for him/her as I have never experienced any such issue

 

That was enough cause for a response.

 

 

 

I fail to see how, as all of that is relative to understanding your motivation, and not ad hominem. Once again, I apologize if you felt that the above was an attack on you. I won't be responding to you any further in this thread as it seems you are arbitrarily taking issue and looking for a fight. I hope the new changes in the game actually work out to your benefit rather than cause you grief. Good luck to you!

  VincerKaden

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Joined: 8/12/06
Posts: 460

2/12/13 8:06:12 PM#24

On one hand, it is my observation that there is a demographic in the MMO community that has needs immediate gratification; they want to login and get to the action as fast as possible. This may be because of limited game time available to them, or maybe some are just impatient. Any game that can cater to both that demographic as well as offer alternates... well, that's just a smart business decision. I would not personally pay for it, but I can understand why a game company would get the idea to put a price tag on convenience items.

On the other hand, it's Star Wars. It's supposed to be an amazingly rich, beautiful, and exciting universe that many my age only dreamt about running around in. Pretty much every Star Wars movie involved some aspect of a journey from point A to point B, and told the tale of the adventures in between. Why would anyone want to develop or play a Star Wars game where "getting there was no fun at all".

A game company should strive to make you WANT to be in the game universe, immersed at all times and entertained at nearly every turn. I won't read any further into Bioware's decision to put a monetary value on instant travel then it just being another way to make coin. But it's my view that they were unable to deliver on creating the Star Wars universe.

They did do an excellent job creating a Star Wars amusement park ride, though. I don't mean for that to be as snarky as it sounds. But having played through the game entirely, I felt like I road through on a Star Wars ride, then got dropped off onto a treadmill at the end.

  Karteli

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

 
OP  2/12/13 8:16:44 PM#25
Originally posted by huskie77
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by huskie77
The OP has complained in other EA, SWTOR and Hero engine threads about the "terrible" graphics engine and it's performance issues. I think it might be a compatibility issue for him/her as I have never experienced any such issue

 

That was enough cause for a response.

 

 

 

I fail to see how, as all of that is relative to understanding your motivation, and not ad hominem. Once again, I apologize if you felt that the above was an attack on you. I won't be responding to you any further in this thread as it seems you are arbitrarily taking issue and looking for a fight. I hope the new changes in the game actually work out to your benefit rather than cause you grief. Good luck to you!

OK!

 

1) EA is charging for basic game play features, again. 

1a) Fast teleportbetween planets will benefit all players.

1b) Payments are required for teleport,

1c) Subcribers lose out on perks, because players can pay some more to out-do them.

1d ) Freemiums lose doubly.  They won't invest money because SWTOR is a Freemium / P2W system.

1e ) EA adjusts TORSTATUS figures to reflect positivity. :-)

 

I think I covered it all.  My motivation?  I play the game.  Enjoy my points.

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Letsinod

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Joined: 3/05/06
Posts: 326

2/12/13 9:55:10 PM#26
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Slappy1
Originally posted by huskie77
I can understand your frustration but I think you are twisting your view of this update to suit your already deeply held views on this game. Real money is not a no-no. It's what allows them to provide a service to those who desire it in exchange for the revenue that allows them to make enough profit to everyone employed and let free players leech. Everything serves a purpose and nobody get's hurt.

Agree^^ and also I've never experienced a load screen anywhere near minute's in length.Load time's are comparable to to many I saw in other game's.

It's a convenience,not a gamebreaking must buy.

I'd rather have a seemless Star Wars universe .. you know, worthy of Star Wars?  and all the innovation that comes with the title ...

 

Load screens were great in EverQuest .. but that was 1999.  Now we pay to avoid load screens, see whats wrong?

Wait a minute.  Load screens are so 1999?  I thought that GOY GW2 that everyone loves so much has many of them?  I heard that it evolutionary?

  Karteli

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

 
OP  2/12/13 10:07:50 PM#27
Originally posted by Letsinod
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Slappy1
Originally posted by huskie77
I can understand your frustration but I think you are twisting your view of this update to suit your already deeply held views on this game. Real money is not a no-no. It's what allows them to provide a service to those who desire it in exchange for the revenue that allows them to make enough profit to everyone employed and let free players leech. Everything serves a purpose and nobody get's hurt.

Agree^^ and also I've never experienced a load screen anywhere near minute's in length.Load time's are comparable to to many I saw in other game's.

It's a convenience,not a gamebreaking must buy.

I'd rather have a seemless Star Wars universe .. you know, worthy of Star Wars?  and all the innovation that comes with the title ...

 

Load screens were great in EverQuest .. but that was 1999.  Now we pay to avoid load screens, see whats wrong?

Wait a minute.  Load screens are so 1999?  I thought that GOY GW2 that everyone loves so much has many of them?  I heard that it evolutionary?

I suppose you answered your own question.

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  atuerstar

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Joined: 5/12/10
Posts: 240

2/12/13 10:43:45 PM#28

Are you seriously upset about something that makes sense and should have been there since launch?

 

We have companions, idling around on OUR ship, at the local spacestation. If we get bored, overrun, or need to answer our guilds call to arms on some far off planet we SHOULD be able to call our ship down and get off planet quick smart. It would be nice if there was a "pickup" animation like when they grab Qui Gon Jinn off tatooine leaving Darth Maul to stomp his feet in frustration. But as to the mechanic itself - should of been in at launch - should be glad its in now. 

  GrayGhost79

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Joined: 8/30/08
Posts: 4889

2/12/13 10:44:13 PM#29
Originally posted by KaiserPhoenix

op, your overdramatization needs to end. This is a convenience feature, not a pay to win one. Please get over it.

 

 

I'm not sure it qualifies for a convenience feature. Its more of a pay to avoid excessive inconvenience. 

 

The type of monetization being done in SWTOR is ultimately going to prove to be more harmful than profitable. There is a major difference between paying for convenience and being forced to pay to avoid excessively inconvenient mechanics. 

When people feel forced to pay to enjoy a free to play game they leave. When players feel its optional and an actual convenience item or something they are generally more than willing to hand over the cash if they have it. 

 

If you enjoy the game you should worry about things like this because if they fail to make a profit you lose the game you enjoy. 

  FallguyArmy

Novice Member

Joined: 12/24/11
Posts: 80

2/12/13 10:45:12 PM#30
Originally posted by Karteli

Paying for basic functionality in a F2P is not cool.

Quoting this as it pretty much all that needs to be said regarding SWTOR's F2P...

  Swanea

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Joined: 4/25/08
Posts: 2392

2/12/13 10:53:53 PM#31

So you just ignoring the fact that you can unlock with legacy?  Or because you can also buy something that is just a convience thing, it's terrible.

 

COOL!

 

As much as you say you play the game and keep playing it, you sure do enjoy bashing it non stop.  And you say "I want the game to improve"

Great! Me too! But ripping on the game for convience from real money when it can be bought for ingame currency (Or subbing, as I seem to have it since I'm a subber...lol) seems...weird.

  Karteli

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

 
OP  2/12/13 10:57:55 PM#32
Originally posted by Swanea

So you just ignoring the fact that you can unlock with legacy?  Or because you can also buy something that is just a convience thing, it's terrible.

 

COOL!

 

As much as you say you play the game and keep playing it, you sure do enjoy bashing it non stop.  And you say "I want the game to improve"

Great! Me too! But ripping on the game for convience from real money when it can be bought for ingame currency (Or subbing, as I seem to have it since I'm a subber...lol) seems...weird.

Gee sorry, I only saw the SWTOR mod say I could purchase legacy unlocks.  Perhaps you saw something I didn't?  Last time I got leacy unlocks I earned them, I didn't purchase them.

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  trancejeremy

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Posts: 1221

2/13/13 12:39:44 AM#33

I don't think this has anything to do with load times (maybe you need a faster hard drive?) but simply how long it takes to get from a zone where you do quests and such to your starship.

I really don't know what they were thinking when they made the starports so gigantic. Takes 10 minutes to go from playing the game to your starship and vice/versa.

And it's not like it's out of realism, either, since most ports probably would have more than 4 hangars. They should just stick an elevator near the begining of the starport and you click on that and it takes you to the hangar.

 

And make the hangars smaller. There's no way the starport can afford dozens of people just hanging around watching your ship.

R.I.P. City of Heroes and my 17 characters there

  ignore_me

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2/13/13 12:39:50 AM#34

I find it amusing that Karteli has elicited such impassioned responses. There is simply no compelling reason to defend this game, it runs poorly, has bad systems, is dumbed down, and succeeds in being as unidirectional as a console SPRPG.

All of those posts of his describe someone who wants to love this game, but is prevented from doing so by it's myriad failings.

Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011

  Karteli

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Posts: 2704

 
OP  2/13/13 1:25:23 AM#35
Originally posted by ignore_me

I find it amusing that Karteli has elicited such impassioned responses. There is simply no compelling reason to defend this game, it runs poorly, has bad systems, is dumbed down, and succeeds in being as unidirectional as a console SPRPG.

All of those posts of his describe someone who wants to love this game, but is prevented from doing so by it's myriad failings.

Aye, and thank you for your compassion.  There seems to exist a sort of class structure in SWTOR, those who subscribe and use the cash shop, those who simply use the cash shop, those who play freemium with the cash shop, and those who play freemium exclusively (free).

It's unfortunate, but that is how EA set this game in motion.  Everyone is not on even ground when it comes to expenditures, some feel entitled, some feel others are cheap, others just want to be equal with other players.  So I imagine topics like this are going to continue being heated.  Impartial divisions amongst the playerbase can never end well.

 

For me, I'd rather just be on equal ground with other players.  Without all the pay extra for perks crap.

 

/peace thread

 

 

 

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  dimasok

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Posts: 192

2/13/13 1:28:09 AM#36

They charge for posting on forums. They charge for in-game support. They charge for EVERYTHING. And the customer service is shit. And todays update corrupted only my main character and now i cant participate in the event on the FIRST day! Customer service of course says that they are aware of it. I hope they burn in hell.

The game should be completely F2P with no restrictions. Just because they spent an ungodly amount of money and capitalized on a failed idea which failed to take off its THEIR problem, they shouldn't charge US for THEIR failures. I will complain to BBB about this just like I did with Funcom.

  Marirranya

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2/13/13 1:30:35 AM#37
Originally posted by Psychow
If the game is so bad and the company is so evil, why are you playing it?

^ this made me laugh out loud. seriously :))

coz its the truth xD

There are people who play games and then there are gamers.

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  miagisan

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2/13/13 1:34:08 AM#38

I pay, play and have fun...does that make me evil too?!

 

please say it is so!

  Distopia

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2/13/13 1:41:36 AM#39
Originally posted by Karteli

Well to your complaaints, I see what you said, before you edited it.

 

Originally posted by huskie77

The OP has complained in other EA, SWTOR and Hero engine threads about the "terrible" graphics engine and it's performance issues. I think it might be a compatibility issue for him/her as I have never experienced any such issue
That was enough cause for a response.

Saying you may have PC related issues is an Ad-hominem now? Anyway..

I have the issues as well that you were referencing (long load times). Yet I feel it's quite a jump to say this cash-grab is related to that. More so it's a quick travel token, much like FC sells in AOC.

 

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2/13/13 1:50:11 AM#40
Originally posted by huskie77
I can understand your frustration but I think you are twisting your view of this update to suit your already deeply held views on this game. Real money is not a no-no. It's what allows them to provide a service to those who desire it in exchange for the revenue that allows them to make enough profit to everyone employed and let free players leech. Everything serves a purpose and nobody get's hurt.

That have been true in many cases on this forum but not in this particular case.

Zooning in TOR is probably the worst experience in any MMO with multiple loading screens and instead of fixing it they put a bandaid on it and charges for it, that is just not fair to the players.

TOR do have its good points but EA needs to really fix the bad points instead of trying to earn money on them. There are plenty of stuff they can sell to get in their money without annoying stuff like this.

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