Originally posted by asmkm22

And to come full circle to the original question: I do believe Microsoft has killed the longevity of MMO's but not for any reason you mentioned.  It has to do with XBOX, and how the current console generation has dragged on for about 3 years too long.  Since games are being developed for them first, then ported to PC's, this has resulted in very little gaming innovation.  MMO's have been directly affected by this, since much of the technology behind them is "second-hand" tech passed down from other genres that are generally more innovative.  As a result, MMO's have been largely unchanged in the last 10 years, aside from graphics and payment models.

That may be true of many single-player games, but very few MMOs are released for consoles at all.  If you're making an MMORPG that is going to be PC-only, then you don't care what hardware consoles have.

Originally posted by Quizzical

Originally posted by asmkm22

And to come full circle to the original question: I do believe Microsoft has killed the longevity of MMO's but not for any reason you mentioned.  It has to do with XBOX, and how the current console generation has dragged on for about 3 years too long.  Since games are being developed for them first, then ported to PC's, this has resulted in very little gaming innovation.  MMO's have been directly affected by this, since much of the technology behind them is "second-hand" tech passed down from other genres that are generally more innovative.  As a result, MMO's have been largely unchanged in the last 10 years, aside from graphics and payment models.

That may be true of many single-player games, but very few MMOs are released for consoles at all.  If you're making an MMORPG that is going to be PC-only, then you don't care what hardware consoles have.

My point was that MMO's pretty much never innovate, from a technical standpoint.  They use innovations made in other genres, for stuff like streaming worldspaces.  Since those other genres have been crippled by 10 year old hardware specs, MMO's have aso suffered.

Originally posted by Aeonblades

Originally posted by clamo

I don't see Microsoft killing the MMO as they are really trying to kill PC gaming and force it to remain on the consol.

they are doing this because they think that piracy is hurtting sales and that most people will not try and bother to hack there consol to play pireted games.

I got news for them and other game manufactures.......they are wrong.......I got no plans on buying a next gen console this time around. got no job do the shit ecco and I am selling just about ALL my current games to keep my as alive. and I know others are doing the same thing as ebay has hunders of games posted.

BUT if you really wan't to know what is gona kill the MMO........then here me well.......the pour game development, Hi subscription prices and the assholes that treat other players on the MMO's like shit is what's gona kill them off.

High subscription prices? I'm sorry but that's just flat out wrong. A majority of games have a F2P option now even if they are limited, and 15 dollars a month isn't a high price even working minimum wage. Poor game developement and asshole communities? That I will agree on.

Have you ever added $15 a month up for say 10 years? the game's them selvs are $60 and @ $15 permonth thats hi way robery. 15 and 15 = 30 bud after 4 months you have already payed bouble for a game. that JUST after 4 months. BTW the min wage IS NOT the same in every location. yours may be what $12 but in my neck of the woods there ONLY $7.25 that don't hack it for NOTHING.