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2/12/13 2:16:59 PM#41
Originally posted by Bob_BlawblawOriginally posted by Zooce Only because I can.... If you were a developer, shouldn't your time be best spent developing instead of trying to mitigate the eye strain of translating bad english into some sort of coherent thought? Developers aren't reading your complaints, nor do they even likely care. They're paid to develop, not play the PR game. So really, all the F2P whiners are all crying to the people that are paid to give lip service and pretend they care while tossing your ideas in the recycle bin. You don't invest anything more than the time to rant, they're not paid to care about you. It's simple. |
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2/12/13 2:19:11 PM#42
Originally posted by uidCaustic Ok. FREE PLAYER isn't not playing money. He is "on the frence" and voices some concern (unspecified by you). The paying players voice back. You claim the company loses possible income. I SAY, they haven't lost a penny as a fact. Now you may have left off information which would change this. Such as the "unspecified" concern. But that would be a different bit.
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2/12/13 2:24:14 PM#43
Originally posted by loopback1199 Have you heard of marketing research? Anyone who complains is providing free data. Plus, you can use a text mining software instead of reading everything manually. |
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2/12/13 2:29:04 PM#44
Originally posted by nariusseldonOriginally posted by loopback1199 Developers aren't part of the marketing division, so what's your point? Devs develop, and what they develop is decided by someone ENTIRELY different and probably higher on the pay scale. That guy making the money probably wants to continue making said money, so unless MMO's are suddenly tax exempt charities, the free players really only matter in those short lived instances when they give their credit card info to the cash shops. |
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2/12/13 2:33:29 PM#45
Nope, they don't. As much as they believe they are needed, they are not. Only group based games are going to force people to find others. I think it's no coincidence they are doing these things that all make the free player irrelevant.
I do still think it's funny if they do complain and threaten to leave though unaware that the game mechanics will phase them out in future. That has been their only leg to stand on - I make your population look better - when the response is - I will work around population problems, go play another game, leech. You aren't "needed" unless the programmers make you needed. It's not a new sentiment - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/beggars+can%27t+be+choosers "Beggars can't be choosers definition People who depend on the generosity of others are in no position to dictate what others give them."
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2/12/13 2:34:28 PM#46
Tough question. Voted no, mostly based on "if you don't like it, don't play it".
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2/12/13 2:35:59 PM#47
Originally posted by bcbully Show us where this right is granted. If you can't, then the right doesn't exist.
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2/12/13 2:40:47 PM#48
Originally posted by loopback1199 That shows a lack of understanding of the business model. Free players are content for the paying whales. Whales would not be as loyal, or as motivated to pay up, if there are no content around. That is why you can play the whole game PS2 for free. And the free dudes matter because if it weren't for them, the whale who bought the expensive sniper rifle has few others to shoot at. |
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2/12/13 2:42:23 PM#49
Originally posted by jtcgs This is just flatout wrong. Suscribers are usually big fans and big critics at the same time. Some of the most vocal critics are subscribers. Froobs overwhelmingly just play what is on offer and if they don't enjoy the game they move on. They have no interest in the game beyond that. The people who have the ability to shape and change the game are those that pay for it, whether through cash shop or a sub. Your post sounds hateful. Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994. |
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2/12/13 2:47:35 PM#50
every F2P game I am currently playing I spend my money on. So, that makes me a paying customer. Im sure it isnt a reach for some of you to grasp that I am not the only F2P gamer out there that drops my fair share of $$$ in said cash shops. Sorry to have to point out the painfully obvious but for some people its kinda needed.
FREE PLAYERS SPEND MONEY IN CASH SHOPS. make sense ? good. |
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2/12/13 2:49:46 PM#51
Originally posted by Tyvolus4 You are not a free player if you spend money in the cash shop. You are just paying à la carte. Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994. |
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2/12/13 2:50:46 PM#52
Can you? Yes.....I think the better question would be, does a free player have the right to demand things?
Everyone can complain, demand, or whatever, but if the demographic of players asking for something is the percentage that do not pay any money into the cash shop or whatever, then no one will probably care much.
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2/12/13 2:52:50 PM#53
Originally posted by nariusseldonOriginally posted by loopback1199 You've thoroughly confused me. It's not as much a business model as it is just a business trend, and like all trends, it will eventually fade into something else. It was once shown that froobs were easy to milk with cash shops, thus everyone wanted a piece of it. But since it IS a trend, everyone started doing it, and it's not working out as well as it might have been when it was first put into use by only a few publishers. Now I'm not sure what kind of drugs you take while playing hello kitty, but trying to translate your thoughts into something resembling a counter response. I'm going to have to say that freeloaders are not content unless it's for pvp purposes, which in this age of MMO's has a very tiny slice of the popularity it once had due to the xbox generation being a bunch of whiny sissies, so is irrelevant, even assuming whales with sniper rifles could somehow manage a trigger and ultimately find themselves as a lasting proponent in any of the higher populated mainstream titles lol! |
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2/12/13 2:55:51 PM#54
If it is a player that never spends a dime even on a cash shop then they would have no right to complain and no great loss because they are not paying so developer can ignore their wants. However feedback is another thing I think you can consider their feedback but you can ignore them mostly as far as grousing goes.
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2/12/13 2:56:22 PM#55
"Do free players have the right to complain about anything?"
Regarding the game they play for free; No, no rights what so ever. They will still do it because they can. |
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2/12/13 2:58:33 PM#56
Originally posted by loopback1199 What are you smoking? When you hit the LFD "PUG" button, free players are your content. Plus, the most popular online game (more active players than WOW) is a pvp game. PS2 is a pvp game. What is this nosense about pvp is a tiny slice?
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2/12/13 3:04:09 PM#57
Originally posted by MurlockDance fair enough. then why do we keep seeing threads and polls and rants about Free Players who spend not a penny in the cash shops, when it is most likely less then 1% of the playerbase ? In a way you reinforced my original point even more. |
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2/12/13 3:08:39 PM#58
Originally posted by DamonVile Actually no, the reasons are the same...protecting a product. MMORPG is being paid to hype products, an offical forum is by a company, for their product. Now go to a independant site, say like the Nexus, which is a MODDING site...forums are filled with pros and cons in game topics...hell, TESO is being ripped to shreds there for bastardizing the IP and turning it into DaoC 2. “I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson |
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2/12/13 4:03:42 PM#59
Originally posted by Tyvolus4 less than 1% ....are you kidding ? Maybe in older pay to win games where the freeloaders have all moved on, but in the newer ones that sell mostly cosmetic and boost items like tera. They make up the bigger portion and they complain about everything that cost money. That's the whole point of the thread. They're everywhere and they're annoying and they make no secret of the fact that they will never spend a dime on the game. THAT is the type of person that this is about. You are just a typical customer that f2p is marketed at. |
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2/12/13 4:07:08 PM#60
You get what you pay for, that applies to mmorpg's too. If you play a buy to play or free to play game, I think you can complain, but your complaints don't matter to companies. You've bought the game already and pay no subscription fee, or you play for free, they have no incentive to keep you happy. If you paid a subscription fee, then yes, you can complain all you want because you are still paying for the product. That's my opinion anyways.
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