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  Dauzqul

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2/12/13 11:35:35 AM#21
If nobody ever voiced any concern, almost every game would suck.
  MightyChasm

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2/12/13 11:36:54 AM#22

F2P games require a certain population to make them appealing.  Some of those will pay nothing, others will subscribe or buy from the cash shop, but having a healthy population whether they pay or not is still necessary.  

Therefore, I think they are contributing and have a right to complain.  

  mmoguy43

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2/12/13 11:46:28 AM#23

As long as they follow the TOS, of course they do.

Not only do they have the right to, the devs are more inclined to listen to free player's complaints because they want to please them and take their money. Paying players already handed their money over and devs will only do enough to keep the money flowing.

SWTOR had how many restriction lifts since thier original F2P model? Including doubling the number of hotbars free players had, something of which paying players had no need to complain about. Enough complaints, regardless if you are paying or not, can make changes happen.

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  Mishakai

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2/12/13 11:48:40 AM#24
No intelligent person would use money as validation for a person's opinion.
  bcbully

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OP  2/12/13 11:56:09 AM#25
Originally posted by Mishakai
No intelligent person would use money as validation for a person's opinion.

I mean you asked me to play my game, and I said you could play for free...

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  nariusseldon

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2/12/13 12:01:41 PM#26
Originally posted by Onomas

You dont have "rights" in video games, you waivered that once you signed their agreement to play.

But there is nothing to stop me from coming here, on a forum, to voice whatever opinion i have on a F2P game. I can go to marvel heroes forum now, and complain that their founder pack is too expensive, and it should be free instead (not that i hold that opinion, but i can go and bitch, right now).

OTOH, the devs have no obligation to listen to me.

So yeah, i think i have the "right" to complain because no one is going to stop me.

  dave6660

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2/12/13 12:05:47 PM#27
How dare anyone give me mediocre free stuff.  I demand only the finest quality free stuff.

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  Leethe

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2/12/13 12:14:14 PM#28

Stick to games that actually free 2 play from the begining and stop messing around with these sub-house failures. The only reason that they throw these paywalls in your way is because they need to convince sub players that their money isn't going down a black hole. Ignore those who say you have no right to complain. If the game was actually any good they would have come up with a sustainable model from the beginning and would never have gone f2p in the 1st place. The only reason why no one is saying "the servers are dead!" is because of your presence. 

They need you more than you need them.

There is NO miracle patch.

95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.

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  Onomas

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Sandbox is your only hope for a decent mmo ;)

2/12/13 12:23:54 PM#29
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Onomas

You dont have "rights" in video games, you waivered that once you signed their agreement to play.

But there is nothing to stop me from coming here, on a forum, to voice whatever opinion i have on a F2P game. I can go to marvel heroes forum now, and complain that their founder pack is too expensive, and it should be free instead (not that i hold that opinion, but i can go and bitch, right now).

OTOH, the devs have no obligation to listen to me.

So yeah, i think i have the "right" to complain because no one is going to stop me.

And thats why the majority of complaint threads are deleted/locked.

Sorry dont think so.

There is a difference between trying to make the game better and just whinning about everything.  Most the complaints fall in the 2nd category and people go way overboard.

 

And you have no rights on forums either, clearly states this when you register.

  nariusseldon

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2/12/13 12:25:54 PM#30
Originally posted by Onomas
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Onomas

You dont have "rights" in video games, you waivered that once you signed their agreement to play.

But there is nothing to stop me from coming here, on a forum, to voice whatever opinion i have on a F2P game. I can go to marvel heroes forum now, and complain that their founder pack is too expensive, and it should be free instead (not that i hold that opinion, but i can go and bitch, right now).

OTOH, the devs have no obligation to listen to me.

So yeah, i think i have the "right" to complain because no one is going to stop me.

And thats why the majority of complaint threads are deleted/locked.

Sorry dont think so.

There is a difference between trying to make the game better and just whinning about everything.  Most the complaints fall in the 2nd category and people go way overboard.

 

And you have no rights on forums either, clearly states this when you register.

You must be delusional. This forum is nothing but complaints.

Let's try it.

I complained about STO. I think all the star ships should be free. How dare them to charge me $$$ for digital model of something i can watch on TV.

(see if that got me banned).

  Peenenvy

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2/12/13 12:27:59 PM#31

Every player has a right. It just depends if its valid. I mean look at Asherons Call casting mechanics and jump spin to lose melee chasing you. It was never intended for that to be the game play. But, players enjoyed it so much they never touched it.

I remember when I was 20 yrs old playing AC ( ha ha been around for awhile). I asked in chat if anyone could dye my Amuli pants. This guy whispered me telling me " I can do it." So, I open the trade passed the legs and dye to him, and he logs. I asked for DEV help and they told me its a risk you have to take, and I am pretty much beat. Kinda harsh loss, but yea I learned my lesson lol.

I just miss those old MMOs where anything goes. I played Mordred Daoc and DT AC, where pvp chaos everywhere just felt so right and fun. The new genre of games released as in WoW catered to the player totally corrupted eveything. The Looking for group mechanic took out word pvp. Vanilla WoW and BC was the last of World PVP. You would try to summon your group, or wait on them at dungeon entrances. This was when you were ally or horde and decided to have an itch maybe take a swing at the opposite faction. This lead to a 30-40 mins calling my friends to kick your butt because you brought your whole guild situation.

But, like most games it will be left alone and probably gone forever. Every game I have beta'd or subscribed to has followed the WoW look alike clone system of transporting you to instances for Queing. Battle ground PVP systems that make it feel more of a corporate pvp lol.

Honestly, I don't know its so hard for me to like this new age MMO crap. If I ever pay for a new MMO it will have to be straight up hardcore PVP. Without a system coaching me down a certain path because its the only viable one. I know it is kinda off topic with some of the stuff I have said. I just can't stand when there is MMO companies and games out there with fail after fail.

Developers stick by your guns create the game you think it should be. Stop trying to imitate WoW and go with your orginial concept of what is fun and what players would think is fun. BGs = Fail, Insta Que Dungeons=fail and Narrowing builds and gear to point your character in a specific direction is fail. Stay away from Developers with Ghostcrawler ideas and you will be ok.

 

  jtcgs

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2/12/13 1:49:19 PM#32
Originally posted by Onomas

And thats why the majority of complaint threads are deleted/locked.

Sorry dont think so.

 lol, here you get your post deleted for calling out a troll...while the troll post remains.

Dont grasp at straws when you can attack with actual points that matter.

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  DamonVile

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2/12/13 2:02:18 PM#33
Originally posted by jtcgs
Originally posted by Onomas

And thats why the majority of complaint threads are deleted/locked.

Sorry dont think so.

 lol, here you get your post deleted for calling out a troll...while the troll post remains.

Dont grasp at straws when you can attack with actual points that matter.

I think it kind of confuses the issue when you try and include this site as an actual game site. What you can or can't do here isn't the same as the offical site for a game.

The types of posts people are saying they can make here would get deleted or locked on most offical sites.

There's a saying about evolution and why we have two eyes and two ears but only one mouth. Clearly it didn't see the internet coming or it never would have given us ten fingers to type with.

  Benedikt

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2/12/13 2:02:50 PM#34
Originally posted by Xiaoki

 


Originally posted by Abuz0r
Free players always complain,  they have to realize they're only there to entertain the actual customers


Well, if the concerns of the Free players were addressed then they would become more likely to be a Paying customer.

 

well thats bull - if the game has subscription option and you play it as Free player, then you are just either too cheap to pay or (sorry) too stupid, because you are playing game that is not worth to you 15$ a month while there are hunderds of things you can do out there that ARE worth it.

edit: ok there is a third possibility - that paying subscription doesn't give enough advantages over f2p - i actually can see myself playing vanguard as f2p since you have access to mostly everything up to high level

  Datawarlock

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2/12/13 2:05:56 PM#35
I just think the whole F2P model proves the industry is screwed no matter what. The reason why most games end up F2P is because games these days are like fast food. No real thought into any of them, nothing new, just more of the same recycled crap. People get bored and leave. F2P draws in the bum in the alley around the corner to snack on the trash we threw out when we moved on to the next food stand. The industry is the problem. Make a game people WANT to play and you won't have to sell out to the growing F2P crisis.

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  Loktofeit

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2/12/13 2:06:47 PM#36
Originally posted by Zooce
Valid critisim is valid no matter who utters the words.

 

Pretty much agree. I feel a free player's complaints about gameplay and community are just as valid as a paying player's on those topics. The only complaint I find invalid is the common one that paying players have extras. That complaint is a display of entitlement so arrogant or ignorant that it doesn't warrant acknowledgement. 

 

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  nariusseldon

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2/12/13 2:10:37 PM#37
Originally posted by Benedikt
Originally posted by Xiaoki

 


Originally posted by Abuz0r
Free players always complain,  they have to realize they're only there to entertain the actual customers


Well, if the concerns of the Free players were addressed then they would become more likely to be a Paying customer.

 

well thats bull - if the game has subscription option and you play it as Free player, then you are just either too cheap to pay or (sorry) too stupid, because you are playing game that is not worth to you 15$ a month while there are hunderds of things you can do out there that ARE worth it.

edit: ok there is a third possibility - that paying subscription doesn't give enough advantages over f2p - i actually can see myself playing vanguard as f2p since you have access to mostly everything up to high level

That is how it is for me too. Why sub when you can have enough free fun?

  Bob_Blawblaw

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2/12/13 2:12:49 PM#38
Originally posted by Zooce
Valid critisim is valid no matter who utters the words.

Agreed, and it's in the developers best interest to at least look at the critisism. If they want to be successful, they need to at least be open minded towards critisism, and view it as an opportunity, not a burdon.

  vgamer

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2/12/13 2:13:41 PM#39
Originally posted by Aeonblades
Everyone has the right to free speech. However some voices are worth more than others.

Remember these words very well. They will come haunt you back.

  Thorbrand

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2/12/13 2:15:02 PM#40
Don't know what world you want to live in but everyone has the same rights as you no matter what!
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