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  SuperNick

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2/11/13 10:13:04 PM#41

I like the way F2P models are heading - some still need work but generally it is a good thing for the industry because developers were getting so jaded thinking they could make any old trash and get your sub - sorry buds, you gotta work for your players now!

There's some really good F2P models out there right now like TERA, TSW, EQ2 and to a non-MMO extent League of Legends.

 

  ahmpizzedoff

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2/12/13 1:10:53 AM#42

I like F2P. It gives me the opportunity to play a game for a while to see if I'd really like the game. It also "encourages" the developers to make a better  game that someone would want to pay for. Sure there will always be the freeloader out there who won't pay but who cares about them. Let 'em whine and complain all they want.

I play for free and am able to make a decision on weather I like the game or not. I can then leave, if I don't care for the game and it cost me nothing, or I can go on a become a paying player. I like that ability to have an "extended" trial period to make that decision.

  Marirranya

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2/12/13 2:14:14 AM#43

p2p or b2p or f2p

it doesnt matter to me in all honesty :3

as long as i like a game, i definitely will get it heh

There are people who play games and then there are gamers.

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  Theocritus

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2/12/13 9:46:03 AM#44
Originally posted by SuperNick

I like the way F2P models are heading - some still need work but generally it is a good thing for the industry because developers were getting so jaded thinking they could make any old trash and get your sub - sorry buds, you gotta work for your players now!

There's some really good F2P models out there right now like TERA, TSW, EQ2 and to a non-MMO extent League of Legends.

 

 WHy does everyone think games like TSW and GW2 are free??....They are not free....TSW costs 30 dollars and GW2 is probably still around 50 (I dont hink it has come down yet)....That is not free people.....I'd love to do business with alot of you that think paying for something is free.

  Jemcrystal

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Let em put a slave ring thru u're nose u're prob not going to like where they're taking you. Think.

2/12/13 9:54:46 AM#45
You win thread title of the year, lolz.  I never complain because a game is f2p or p2p or b2p, tho I will complain about price - plz give us our money's worth no matter what the model.  I do complain that people do not know f2p really means Share To Play.  It works the same way as a box or pay.  There is no such thing as free.

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  worldalpha

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2/12/13 10:07:01 AM#46
The F2P debate will never end! :)

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  FallguyArmy

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2/12/13 10:07:31 AM#47
Originally posted by cybertrucker

Everytime a game goes F2P we see the same thing. People coming here to whine and cry about what they don't get compared to the people who have either chose to keep their accounts going or have started the game with an elite/paid account. These companies are not making these games for your charity. If a player chooses to pay for a game they should get much better service than the freeloader that feel they are entitled to the same benefits. I pay for the MMOs I choose to play I suppose the exception is GW2 due to it not having the option. In those games that' I dedicate my time and pay for I feel all the people who choose not to pay get what they deserve. I have listened people actually claim that all the limitations that get imposed on F2P are bad business models. Lol  not getting paid is a bad business model. 

 

I've seen F2P games with decent, if not realistic, restrictions. But I've also seen ones that are just outright ridiculous. I won't namecall because anyone who's followed my posts know which ones I'm talking about. But for those people complaining about F2P restrictions, I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt in that they actually know what they're talking about. Yes, games have become a business and, like any business, it's all about money. But the problem is when a business forgets to be ethical towards consumers, if you catch my drift.

  cybertrucker

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Freeloading mooches are the scourge of the gaming community.

 
OP  2/12/13 10:16:14 AM#48
Originally posted by ahmpizzedoff

I like F2P. It gives me the opportunity to play a game for a while to see if I'd really like the game. It also "encourages" the developers to make a better  game that someone would want to pay for. Sure there will always be the freeloader out there who won't pay but who cares about them. Let 'em whine and complain all they want.

I play for free and am able to make a decision on weather I like the game or not. I can then leave, if I don't care for the game and it cost me nothing, or I can go on a become a paying player. I like that ability to have an "extended" trial period to make that decision.

See I am completely ok with this mentality, but you sir  are in the minority. What we see on these forums time and time again are the freeloading masses that come on the forums complaining that all these companies are money hungry mobsters with the systems they set in place by allowing the player to come play test their games for free with limitations. While in all honesty the freeloading are the ones that are money  hungry  by their actions and complaints they prove it. No one likes a mooch. Sorry  if this stings to the people who fit the bill. However many times the truth does sting.

  Gravarg

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2/12/13 10:23:09 AM#49
i'll take a P2P game over a F2P game.  In a P2P people are more obligated to play nice, while F2P games people don't really care, since it's not costing them anything yet.  There's alot less whining in P2P games, in F2P all you hear is people crying over little stuff all the time.
  Etherignis

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2/12/13 10:30:41 AM#50
Its like a mixed bag when it comes too f2p, one model i hate the most is P2W and some mmos piss me off when they do that.
  cybertrucker

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Freeloading mooches are the scourge of the gaming community.

 
OP  2/12/13 11:29:57 AM#51
Originally posted by Etherignis
Its like a mixed bag when it comes too f2p, one model i hate the most is P2W and some mmos piss me off when they do that.

Now I have kept quiete about P2W. No reason to complain about them as I simply avoid them. I am strictly talking about the selling of content or character options.  IE limited options because someone does not wish to have an account then whining and complaining about it. The entitlement mooches, that run to play an MMO because it now is labeled as a a F2P  or switch off their active accounts when it begins to offer a F2P limited options then moan and whine that when they do they are to limited to really play the game at the same level as those who have or have kept their subscriptions. 

They then have the audacity to bash the companies  of being money hungry due to the limitations that were placed on the F2P model instead of realizing that they are limiting themselves by being freeloading mooches that don't think they should have to pay for the entertainment services these games provide.

 

  nariusseldon

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2/12/13 11:32:16 AM#52
Originally posted by Jemcrystal
You win thread title of the year, lolz.  I never complain because a game is f2p or p2p or b2p, tho I will complain about price - plz give us our money's worth no matter what the model.  I do complain that people do not know f2p really means Share To Play.  It works the same way as a box or pay.  There is no such thing as free.

Someone elses pay. I play and give no money. How is that not free for me?

  botrytis

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2/12/13 11:48:22 AM#53
Originally posted by cybertrucker

Everytime a game goes F2P we see the same thing. People coming here to whine and cry about what they don't get compared to the people who have either chose to keep their accounts going or have started the game with an elite/paid account. These companies are not making these games for your charity. If a player chooses to pay for a game they should get much better service than the freeloader that feel they are entitled to the same benefits. I pay for the MMOs I choose to play I suppose the exception is GW2 due to it not having the option. In those games that' I dedicate my time and pay for I feel all the people who choose not to pay get what they deserve. I have listened people actually claim that all the limitations that get imposed on F2P are bad business models. Lol  not getting paid is a bad business model. 

 

I don't think you understand business or this business model at all. There are quite a few business models out there - they are:

1. B2P +sub (which can include a CS)

2. B2P (which can include a CS)

3.F2P (which can include a CS)

4. F2P - with a B2P or sub option giving special items, etc for this.

5. F2P (w/o CS) - to rope you in to a new company and wanting to try other games that can use options 1-4.

Depending on how the company is set up and how they do it, all can make money on this. An example is TERA which is now using option 4 - and people are spending the extra to get a box.

 

All can make money.

 

Remember, you are not getting something for nothing - you will eventually pay somehow.

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  nariusseldon

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2/12/13 11:54:36 AM#54
Originally posted by botrytis

Remember, you are not getting something for nothing - you will eventually pay somehow.

"Eventually pay"? I move on to another game before that happens.

But sure, you are not getting somethign for nothing .. your play-time is content for the paid customers. That is how it works. You don't need to pay because by playing, you are already providing value. That is what i call a win-win.

  bcbully

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2/12/13 11:56:10 AM#55
Originally posted by cybertrucker

Everytime a game goes F2P we see the same thing. People coming here to whine and cry about what they don't get compared to the people who have either chose to keep their accounts going or have started the game with an elite/paid account. These companies are not making these games for your charity. If a player chooses to pay for a game they should get much better service than the freeloader that feel they are entitled to the same benefits. I pay for the MMOs I choose to play I suppose the exception is GW2 due to it not having the option. In those games that' I dedicate my time and pay for I feel all the people who choose not to pay get what they deserve. I have listened people actually claim that all the limitations that get imposed on F2P are bad business models. Lol  not getting paid is a bad business model. 

 

agreed. As long as I have a sub option, I'm cool.

 

 

  Thorkune

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2/12/13 11:58:57 AM#56
Originally posted by Gravarg
i'll take a P2P game over a F2P game.  In a P2P people are more obligated to play nice, while F2P games people don't really care, since it's not costing them anything yet.  There's alot less whining in P2P games, in F2P all you hear is people crying over little stuff all the time.

Good one! Wait...were you serious?

You have obviously never played on any of the WoW servers that I played on. And, before Tera went F2P, it was the worst of the entire genre. I am obviously speaking from my personal experience.

  jtcgs

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2/12/13 11:59:02 AM#57
keep saying whatever you need to in order to try to hide the fact that you are getting suckered out of money every month.

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  Thorkune

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2/12/13 12:01:25 PM#58
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by botrytis

Remember, you are not getting something for nothing - you will eventually pay somehow.

"Eventually pay"? I move on to another game before that happens.

 

This is me as well. I have spent about $25.00 total on the F2P titles that I have played. Besides opening more bank/inventory slots, I see noting that interests me in cash shops.

  Aeonblades

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2/12/13 12:04:23 PM#59
F2P is fine with me as long as people who bought the game or subscribed before are adequately rewarded, I.E. Free silver membership on my EQ accounts etc. Honestly I feel it should be gold because I know have sank over a thousand dollars into EQ easily. But, I'm still playing so that's saying something :)

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  nariusseldon

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2/12/13 12:40:55 PM#60
Originally posted by jtcgs
keep saying whatever you need to in order to try to hide the fact that you are getting suckered out of money every month.

Why would you care if someone else is being 'suckered'?

Research shows that a majority of MMO players do not pay. So tell that to them (and i am one of them).

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