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  azmundai

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2/11/13 1:56:34 PM#41

until there is a bug free mmo, yes I think it is best to focus on making these steaming piles of code work on one platform. besides, as others have said, mac makes up about 10% of the market. also, ios/android don't have a prayer of running the kinds of graphics we get on PCs. finally, just take a look at the couple of MMOs that have tried to allow console to join. lol ... that is all.

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  Barrikor

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2/11/13 2:02:55 PM#42


Originally posted by Gothikaboy
I think it's stupid to make any game not using advanced DirectX functionality.

I guess that makes me stupid then...

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  TwystedWiz

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2/11/13 2:03:12 PM#43

Chicken Little called, said the sky is falling...

 

MS is not going anywhere anytime soon.  They still dominate the OS market and as much as people are "happy with their Apple computers" those people still only make up about 10% of the PC market in the US, less worldwide. 

 

As the performance gap narrows there may be clients available for other platforms but Windows will still be the first OS any major MMO is developed for, it's where the money is, and will continue to be for the life of any MMO developed in the near term.

 

 

  greenreen

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2/11/13 2:16:04 PM#44
Originally posted by TwystedWiz

Chicken Little called, said the sky is falling...

 

MS is not going anywhere anytime soon.  They still dominate the OS market and as much as people are "happy with their Apple computers" those people still only make up about 10% of the PC market in the US, less worldwide. 

 

As the performance gap narrows there may be clients available for other platforms but Windows will still be the first OS any major MMO is developed for, it's where the money is, and will continue to be for the life of any MMO developed in the near term.

 

 

They sure aren't people underestimated them. This scene always brings it home for me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBri-xgYvHQ or this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrPU5_lBWX4

That movie BTW is superb if you are interested in the history of those two. Wozniak is claimed to say it's the closest thing to the truth about the whole thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lx9JsSTklI

  Aeonblades

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2/11/13 2:21:33 PM#45

This is like that razer tablet thing they were advertising a week or two ago. Niche product that will never truly replace PC's. I mean laptops were supposedly going to eliminate desktops altogether and we see how well that went.

There is no point making a cross platform MMO because there isnt enough money in it to be worth the extra work. And I don't see that changing anytime soon with apple charging quadruple the price something is worth.

Mac will continue to be "cool" with people who want to seem hip or different, but the market isn't going to change anytime soon. The only way something like this would work is if they just put a Windows OS on the new xbox. Even then I can see that being a nightmare.

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  Banquetto

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2/11/13 2:38:17 PM#46


Originally posted by Aeonblades
This is like that razer tablet thing they were advertising a week or two ago. Niche product that will never truly replace PC's. I mean laptops were supposedly going to eliminate desktops altogether and we see how well that went.

I dunno about "eliminating desktops altogether", but you are aware, I trust, that laptops have been outselling desktops since 2008?

They're current outselling desktops by roughly two to one.

  Aeonblades

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2/11/13 2:43:09 PM#47
Originally posted by Banquetto

 


Originally posted by Aeonblades
This is like that razer tablet thing they were advertising a week or two ago. Niche product that will never truly replace PC's. I mean laptops were supposedly going to eliminate desktops altogether and we see how well that went.

 

I dunno about "eliminating desktops altogether", but you are aware, I trust, that laptops have been outselling desktops since 2008?

Irrelevant, the desktop hasn't been completely replaced which is what companies have been trying to do for a long long time now. Any gamer worth their skill uses a PC as their primary, the price vs performance is still the best. If you are playing cutting edge games on a laptop, still be prepared for medium/low settings. Until a laptop is the same performance for the same price, same for tablets, desktops will remain king of gaming/MMOs. This thread was about gaming.

I won't even get into people trying to play MMOs on their phone haha.

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  Briansho

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2/11/13 2:57:08 PM#48
Microsoft kinda sticks to things, like gum sticking to the bottom of your shoe. You notice it every once in a while and it reminds you it's there.

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  Banquetto

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2/11/13 3:04:46 PM#49


Originally posted by Aeonblades
Irrelevant, the desktop hasn't been completely replaced which is what companies have been trying to do for a long long time now. Any gamer worth their skill uses a PC as their primary, the price vs performance is still the best. If you are playing cutting edge games on a laptop, still be prepared for medium/low settings. Until a laptop is the same performance for the same price, same for tablets, desktops will remain king of gaming/MMOs. This thread was about gaming.

I won't even get into people trying to play MMOs on their phone haha.


I'm just not sure that anyone ever suggested, predicted or hoped that laptops would "completely replace" desktops. I only ever heard predictions that they would push desktops into small niches (such as, of course, serious gaming). And I think those predictions are well on their way to coming true.

  Quizzical

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2/11/13 3:05:39 PM#50
Originally posted by Banquetto

 


Originally posted by Aeonblades
This is like that razer tablet thing they were advertising a week or two ago. Niche product that will never truly replace PC's. I mean laptops were supposedly going to eliminate desktops altogether and we see how well that went.

 

I dunno about "eliminating desktops altogether", but you are aware, I trust, that laptops have been outselling desktops since 2008?

They're current outselling desktops by roughly two to one.

I answered that earlier in this thread:  don't confuse the rate at which devices are sold new with the rate at which they're used.  Desktops have much longer life expectancies than laptops.

There were more new egg cartons sold this year than new houses, but that doesn't mean that everyone stopped living in houses.

  Quizzical

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2/11/13 3:08:51 PM#51
Originally posted by Banquetto

 


Originally posted by Aeonblades
Irrelevant, the desktop hasn't been completely replaced which is what companies have been trying to do for a long long time now. Any gamer worth their skill uses a PC as their primary, the price vs performance is still the best. If you are playing cutting edge games on a laptop, still be prepared for medium/low settings. Until a laptop is the same performance for the same price, same for tablets, desktops will remain king of gaming/MMOs. This thread was about gaming.

 

I won't even get into people trying to play MMOs on their phone haha.


 

I'm just not sure that anyone ever suggested, predicted or hoped that laptops would "completely replace" desktops. I only ever heard predictions that they would push desktops into small niches (such as, of course, serious gaming). And I think those predictions are well on their way to coming true.

I don't think that "doing productive work" will ever be a small niche, but it's highly probable that desktops will occupy the bulk of it for decades to come.  While it could eventually constitute a small fraction of total "computer" sales if an average person is eventually wearing 20 different "computers" on him, that would be because the rest of the market got larger, not because desktops died.

  Banquetto

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2/11/13 3:14:23 PM#52


Originally posted by Quizzical

Originally posted by Banquetto     I dunno about "eliminating desktops altogether", but you are aware, I trust, that laptops have been outselling desktops since 2008? They're current outselling desktops by roughly two to one.
I answered that earlier in this thread:  don't confuse the rate at which devices are sold new with the rate at which they're used.  Desktops have much longer life expectancies than laptops.

There were more new egg cartons sold this year than new houses, but that doesn't mean that everyone stopped living in houses.


That's a fair point, agreed. A lot of desktops (particularly in workplaces) will lead the same sort of "never upgraded" life as the average laptop, but on the whole, it's true, most desktops will be used for longer than most laptops.

  fs23otm

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2/11/13 3:20:27 PM#53
Originally posted by Aeonblades

This is like that razer tablet thing they were advertising a week or two ago. Niche product that will never truly replace PC's. I mean laptops were supposedly going to eliminate desktops altogether and we see how well that went.

There is no point making a cross platform MMO because there isnt enough money in it to be worth the extra work. And I don't see that changing anytime soon with apple charging quadruple the price something is worth.

Mac will continue to be "cool" with people who want to seem hip or different, but the market isn't going to change anytime soon. The only way something like this would work is if they just put a Windows OS on the new xbox. Even then I can see that being a nightmare.

Actually that Razer Edge Pro will not replace PC's is true, but it could replace laptops.

It basically is the same with Electric Cars... people can not be compelled to replace their gas hogs for better more effiecient cars until the prices come down. If Apple computers were have the price they are now, people would by them in droves.

  NaughtyP

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2/11/13 3:21:50 PM#54

My only concern with Microsoft is the rumour of always-online DRM for Xbox 720 which essentially kills the 2nd hand game market and also provides no added benefit to the existing consumer (fat chance they will pass on the "savings" to the customer). It would (hopefully) kill the Xbox 720 before it even launched. I wouldn't get it thats for sure.

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  lizardbones

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2/11/13 3:28:06 PM#55

I'm not a big fan of Windows, but it doesn't make sense to try and support other platforms unless they are going to support a game. With that in mind, it seems possible, even likely that MMOs on mobile platforms will be common before they are common on platforms like Linux or even Mac. The only chance that platforms like Linux have is being able to mimic the Windows environment, so that those games can run under Linux without issues.

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  fs23otm

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2/11/13 3:28:06 PM#56
Originally posted by NaughtyP

My only concern with Microsoft is the rumour of always-online DRM for Xbox 720 which essentially kills the 2nd hand game market and also provides no added benefit to the existing consumer (fat chance they will pass on the "savings" to the customer). It would (hopefully) kill the Xbox 720 before it even launched. I wouldn't get it thats for sure.

The second hand game market is a rip off. 

Gamestop or similar companies paying you 5$ for you game so they can sell it for 20$ + is a complete rip off to the game companies developing and publishing games. That is no different than music piracy. 

I never buy used games and I never sell my used games to a company. 

  NaughtyP

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2/11/13 3:34:51 PM#57
Originally posted by fs23otm
Originally posted by NaughtyP

My only concern with Microsoft is the rumour of always-online DRM for Xbox 720 which essentially kills the 2nd hand game market and also provides no added benefit to the existing consumer (fat chance they will pass on the "savings" to the customer). It would (hopefully) kill the Xbox 720 before it even launched. I wouldn't get it thats for sure.

The second hand game market is a rip off. 

Gamestop or similar companies paying you 5$ for you game so they can sell it for 20$ + is a complete rip off to the game companies developing and publishing games. That is no different than music piracy. 

I never buy used games and I never sell my used games to a company. 

There are many more places to get 2nd hand games than Gamestop... ebay, kijiji, etc.

It's very different than music piracy. There is still a physical copy, nothing digital about it.

You don't have to sell to a company. You can sell directly to other people.

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  lizardbones

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2/11/13 4:00:35 PM#58


Originally posted by fs23otm

Originally posted by NaughtyP My only concern with Microsoft is the rumour of always-online DRM for Xbox 720 which essentially kills the 2nd hand game market and also provides no added benefit to the existing consumer (fat chance they will pass on the "savings" to the customer). It would (hopefully) kill the Xbox 720 before it even launched. I wouldn't get it thats for sure.
The second hand game market is a rip off. 

Gamestop or similar companies paying you 5$ for you game so they can sell it for 20$ + is a complete rip off to the game companies developing and publishing games. That is no different than music piracy. 

I never buy used games and I never sell my used games to a company. 




GameStop provides a non-free service in providing a market for second hand games. Of course they're going to charge for that service. The problem isn't that they charge too much, it's that game companies see that money and don't get any of it. If it's possible to run a business off of second hand games, then game companies want to make that money.

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  BadSpock

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2/11/13 4:28:45 PM#59

I hope one day to have a tablet that does everything I need a computer to do - ever - except play games. Real games.

And to play real games, I'll have a 2nd box. Don't really care if it's with a monitor on a desk or on a TV from my couch.

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  Quizzical

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2/11/13 5:02:00 PM#60
Originally posted by BadSpock

I hope one day to have a tablet that does everything I need a computer to do - ever - except play games. Real games.

And to play real games, I'll have a 2nd box. Don't really care if it's with a monitor on a desk or on a TV from my couch.

Not going to happen unless you don't need your computer to do very much.  For many tasks, a real keyboard, a real mouse, and a large monitor (or multiple monitors) are huge advantages.  The tablet form factor says you can't have any of that.

A tablet with a separate keyboard (e.g., Microsoft Surface) is better thought of as a detachable than a pure tablet.  Those may someday mostly replace laptops, but they're not going to replace desktops for the same reasons that laptops can't.

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