Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by ssunatzu
The numbers speak for themselves. 

And this is a good thing.

The more people you have that "like" something the more one can point to a softening of any bold ideas or straying from the beaten path.

Surely you are aware that there are some wonderful esoteric things that we humans have access to but that only small groups enjoy. If you start alterning the very conepts that make these things unique you then start losing anything special about them.

I certainly am not in the camp that says "well, if the majority likes it then it's bad" but neither am I in a camp where I say "the only way to make something good is to make it more palatable to the masses.

No; let EVE be EVE. We need games like this if only to remind us that things living on the fringe of our experience can still be viable, even if it's just to a niche group of people.

:-) A constructive argument.  First, I want to say, I love this game because of the intracacies of it.  There is nothing, I repeat nothing simple about EVE Online.  What I object to is the time constraints placed on the consumer to level his character.  In this case, his ability to fly a properly fit ship.  I would love to see a character start like Ultima Online where you have the option to at least play a 70% toon.  CCP wants the new player to move to null sec.  That will not happen for at least 2 years. Oh yes, you can do so sooner but you will die 99% of all conflicts and you can not venture out alone on your own anywhere in nullsec.  The NPCs will kill your 6 month character rather quickly.

  Traders, mining, manufacturing, moon mining, Player Owned Stations add to the fun to play part of this game.  CCP wants players to play then they need to speed up  or remove the hundreds of training required to 'fit' a ship.  I.e., small, medium, large autocannons; each category requires days/weeks of individuallized training.  You have to train one thing before your allowed to train another item.  Add to this category and you are forced to train several months just to get out the door to play.  This is not right.  Those who do not agree with me are those who already have trained up their characters.  Now they want to force this concept on the new players.  CCP worries that if they dumb down training the VETS will all leave.....I say let them leave.  EVE is still a great game...but I wont recommend it to any of my friends.

Humm, looks like another new Dent in EvE's armor.

Originally posted by ssunatzu
Otherwise, you will spend most of your time developing your character. 

hahahaha

I think the OP highlights a good point about Eve Online, one that many have pointed out over the years.

If it weren't for the whining of the "veteran" players, they'd have added walking with stations by now. Eve needs something interesting to draw some of us back; CCP aren't doing anything interesting right now.

Originally posted by ssunatzu

CCP wants the new player to move to null sec.  That will not happen for at least 2 years. Oh yes, you can do so sooner but you will die 99% of all conflicts and you can not venture out alone on your own anywhere in nullsec.  The NPCs will kill your 6 month character rather quickly.

 

Well, hate to say it but maybe "that's the game".

It seems that part of the draw that EVE has is that it has a very strong community. Maybe the quintessential EVE player is one who doesn't mind taking 2 years to be competitive and bides his/her time until then.

Let's put it this way.

I play Dark Souls.

A co-worker of mine tried it and said that 15 minutes into the game he threw his controller across the room.

I started playing, realized that I wasn't getting anywhere and decided to hunker down, grind out souls in order to level my character and lo and behold after a few levels I was able to play in a reasonably comfortable manner. Oh sure I die a lot but that doesn't really matter to me.

Point being that my personality is such that the playstyle of the game isn't an issue for me. You would never find me posting on a forum asking the creators to make it easier. To that point, if I didn't find anything enjoyable I wouldn't play.

Same with a game like EVE. They have aimed themselves at a very small group of people who are willing to "sign into" the "EVE experience".

No matter how long tha takes.

Originally posted by ssunatzu
Just making my recommendation to those who may be thinking about playing EVE Online. The game will take you 2 years to play before you can actively participate in null security space.  Anything less than this and you will die on a regular basis.  You lose your ship and possibly game time from death encounters. Unless you spend a lot of time 'farming' for replacement ISK(currency) you will have to buy PLEX to support your gaming lifestyle.  The numbers speak for themselves.  This game could be in contention against World of Warcraft but the developers do not see the big picture.  To me this is called, "denial". Tell the game developers you do not approve of this by not playing EVE Online.  Stay away from this game.  Otherwise, you will spend most of your time developing your character.  If you do not mind waiting for about 2 years to play effectvely, then go for it. I plan to do so but I realize as well that it will take me forever before I can play with the Big Boys.

I went to 0.0 when I was about 8 or 9 weeks into the game. Was I doing it wrong? :( :( :(

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Were is the difference btw reincarnation and cloning? You never die in Eve to, but you lose sometimes a lot of ISK :)

Originally posted by Aeonblades
Don't really agree with boycotting a game, but I will say thats one of the main reasons I quit. It's just a treadmill like most other games, only this one never stops.

If you want to play EVE as a "treadmill game", then you're free to. Of course, you're equally free not to. Why didn't you play it differently if treadmilling doesn't appeal to you?

Originally posted by Reklaw

 

which obviously seems to be YOUR issue which doesn't mean that it will take every gamer atleast 2 years.

 

But then again you also seem to like the feature's EVE has, so I am actually very confused as to why you made this topic??

 

Some players, including myself have successfully ventured into nullsec with less than six months of game play.

Your confused because you think this is an issue where I am so upset that I had to absolutely make a post in order to vent my frustrations with the game.  My posting is a start towards making CCP realize there are players who do not like the way their game is going.  I may or may not have an effect on the outcome of CCP's decision but at least I am making an effort to let them know how I feel.  The comments so far made in the topic may or may not be read by CCP but at least people are commenting.  

Thanks for response from all of you.

Originally posted by ssunatzu
Otherwise, you will spend most of your time developing your character.

Funny. I spend about 5 min every month training my character. The rest of the time, I do whatever I damn well please :)

I believe your first mistake was to think that you somehow need to go into 0.0. Your second mistake was to think you had to join the "hardcore guilds", for lack of a better term, instead of seeking out one of the many many posibilities of joining a more newbie friendly entity in 0.0.

I know of no MMO, were the time you have to grind to build your character, is even close to as little as is required in EVE.

Neither do I know of any MMO, that doesn't require at least a few months of investment if you want to join the "big guilds". And unlike EVE, once you get there, you are required to keep grinding dailies/rep/xp/whatever in order retain your access to whatever "end-game treadmill" the Devs introduce to get your monthly sub, or cash-shop investment.

2 Years ? Really ? No offence but I really think you should try a different game.  The problem is not the death penalty you are complaining about.  That is one of the features of the game that  make it great.  The fact that there are consequences to your actions is a rare and wonderful thing these days. The real problem is that you are not very good at EVE.

And as to your statment" This game could be in contention against World of Warcraft but the developers do not see the big picture."  CCP does not now nor has it ever wanted EVE to be WOW. The 2 games are in very different classes of  MMO. Adult PvP sandbox and kiddie friendly, beginer Themepark. You seem to have drifted into the deep end of the pool.

Originally posted by shinkan

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Eve is indeed for "carebears". The premiums on insurance have been rebalanced to the point where any losses you suffer for losing a ship are generally quite low, unless you've just made a horrid mistake and purchased something you can't really afford (which y'all seemed to do in the real world in the 90s, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if you're doing it in a game as well).

Originally posted by ssunatzu
Just making my recommendation to those who may be thinking about playing EVE Online. The game will take you 2 years to play before you can actively participate in null security space.  Anything less than this and you will die on a regular basis.  You lose your ship and possibly game time from death encounters. Unless you spend a lot of time 'farming' for replacement ISK(currency) you will have to buy PLEX to support your gaming lifestyle.  The numbers speak for themselves.  This game could be in contention against World of Warcraft but the developers do not see the big picture.  To me this is called, "denial". Tell the game developers you do not approve of this by not playing EVE Online.  Stay away from this game.  Otherwise, you will spend most of your time developing your character.  If you do not mind waiting for about 2 years to play effectvely, then go for it. I plan to do so but I realize as well that it will take me forever before I can play with the Big Boys.

That sounds great actually.

Not like the usual "im done with it all in 3 months" new games.

I really dislike the fast paced leveling, levels have no meaning anymore.

My first AO character needed more then 4 years to top level, what a voyage that was !

What you wrote would make me play Eve, wouldnt i be a spaceship there ...

Originally posted by lostscout5

 The real problem is that you are not very good at EVE.

:-) Precisely...

The good thing about EVE is a player can use the mechanics to his benefit if he knows how to do so. When you see a multi boxer with an armada please do not cry that the game is not fair.  You most likely will have run into me and died.

But, I still wont recommend this game to my friends.  And yes, I can compensate my lack of skills by using multiple toons with multiple fire power to offset your 2 years of experience.

So, yeah, I am working on the problem as we speak.

Have a nice day! :-)

Originally posted by ssunatzu
Just making my recommendation to those who may be thinking about playing EVE Online. The game will take you 2 years to play before you can actively participate in null security space.  Anything less than this and you will die on a regular basis.  You lose your ship and possibly game time from death encounters. Unless you spend a lot of time 'farming' for replacement ISK(currency) you will have to buy PLEX to support your gaming lifestyle.  The numbers speak for themselves.  This game could be in contention against World of Warcraft but the developers do not see the big picture.  To me this is called, "denial". Tell the game developers you do not approve of this by not playing EVE Online.  Stay away from this game.  Otherwise, you will spend most of your time developing your character.  If you do not mind waiting for about 2 years to play effectvely, then go for it. I plan to do so but I realize as well that it will take me forever before I can play with the Big Boys.

Harden the fuck up.

Originally posted by ssunatzu

Originally posted by Reklaw

 

which obviously seems to be YOUR issue which doesn't mean that it will take every gamer atleast 2 years.

 

But then again you also seem to like the feature's EVE has, so I am actually very confused as to why you made this topic??

 

Some players, including myself have successfully ventured into nullsec with less than six months of game play.

 

Your confused because you think this is an issue where I am so upset that I had to absolutely make a post in order to vent my frustrations with the game.  My posting is a start towards making CCP realize there are players who do not like the way their game is going.  I may or may not have an effect on the outcome of CCP's decision but at least I am making an effort to let them know how I feel.  The comments so far made in the topic may or may not be read by CCP but at least people are commenting.  

Thanks for response from all of you.

As long as EVE has existed, there have been players who "didn't like the way the game was going" 

However, the majority of the playerbase have obviously not minded enough to leave the game. And CCP have been happy enough with the retention rate to not make any major changes to the game play.

And inexplicably, the number of paying players has very slowly (but steadily) increased over the years. EVE does not appeal to the "average gamer". But those who DO like it tend to stay. For years.

The OP is by no means the first EVE player that has launched a personal crusade to make CCP aware of the "failings" of EVE. There have been hundreds (if not thousands) like him in the last 10 years. And he won't be the last. But thankfully, it won't make any difference, never has.