Everytime a game goes F2P we see the same thing. People coming here to whine and cry about what they don't get compared to the people who have either chose to keep their accounts going or have started the game with an elite/paid account. These companies are not making these games for your charity. If a player chooses to pay for a game they should get much better service than the freeloader that feel they are entitled to the same benefits. I pay for the MMOs I choose to play I suppose the exception is GW2 due to it not having the option. In those games that' I dedicate my time and pay for I feel all the people who choose not to pay get what they deserve. I have listened people actually claim that all the limitations that get imposed on F2P are bad business models. Lol  not getting paid is a bad business model. 

F2P models are nothing more than an extended trial. So ultimately if a player likes the game they will eventually end up being subscribers or spend similar or more amoutn iin cash shop. So yes in a way F2P players get what they deserve and rightly so. But then again without these F2P crowd your favorite MMO would crumble.

Originally posted by Doogiehowser

F2P models are nothing more than an extended trial. So ultimately if a player likes the game they will eventually end up being subscribers or spend similar or more amoutn iin cash shop. So yes in a way F2P players get what they deserve and rightly so. But then again without these F2P crowd your favorite MMO would crumble.

And there will always be people lined up looking for free handouts. Alot of the freeloading crowd will never pay for an account. I know 4 such people. They are also the people I know who don't stay with any MMO  for any period of time and usually complain when they leave them complaining and griping about the limitations they were given.

Originally posted by Doogiehowser

F2P models are nothing more than an extended trial. So ultimately if a player likes the game they will eventually end up being subscribers or spend similar or more amoutn iin cash shop. So yes in a way F2P players get what they deserve and rightly so. But then again without these F2P crowd your favorite MMO would crumble.

This is what SoE has done with there games its basicly a much better trial of the game, and people complain that SoE is a money hungry company despite they offer one of the best trial of any game company out there appart from a complete free to play game which is usualy below adverage quality except for maybe some like GW2. If i were to pick the most greedy company that would be blizzard, most pay sub fee along with $25 mount in the cash shop, then not to mention World of warcraft trading game with ingame items such as the spectral tiger mount that some pople spend hundred of dollars on and not acualy play the card game because they wanted the ingame items that u could only get from the cards some people got seriously carried away with those cards lol wonder how much profit they pulled off those thing lol.

Originally posted by Sijjistoryus
I don't mind FTP games having a 10-15 per month premium charge. What I don't like, however, is when you get these entities that will only release a cool race or costume if you purchase some $200 "founder" pack.

If there is a market for it, then it's not for you to decide.  I spent  38k on a vehicle that I take offload when. I could have bought a beat up pick up.  Why? Because I like the vehicle and it's my money. There is a market for it. So you can dislike it all you want.  I am sure there are people who will buy it either way. 

Originally posted by cybertrucker

Originally posted by Sijjistoryus
I don't mind FTP games having a 10-15 per month premium charge. What I don't like, however, is when you get these entities that will only release a cool race or costume if you purchase some $200 "founder" pack.

If there is a market for it, then it's not for you to decide.  I spent  38k on a vehicle that I take offload when. I could have bought a beat up pick up.  Why? Because I like the vehicle and it's my money. There is a market for it. So you can dislike it all you want.  I am sure there are people who will buy it either way. 

Yes. However, a dealership selling a 38,000 vehicle isn't going to piss anyone off. Moreover, I said, "I" don't like". I wasn't speaking for anyone else.

I think it is right to pay once for access to an entire game. I would associate founder's packs closely to a pre-release version of a single payment plan. You pay once and get access to the game, instead of you pay constantly for access to the game and then when you can't afford it, they cut you off. F2P versions of games are like giving people access to the game so that they will be inclined to pay when the time comes that they want that additional access to content or whatever is hidden in the payed version. The players aren't really complaining that they were limited, they were complaining because they couldn't or didn't have money to spend on the payed version. It's really their own fault.

I am a F2P player. I don't have a subscription or a founder's pack for any game. It's been over a year now since I've payed for a game. However, I have spent money in F2P cash shops to aid my process and support the developers/distributors. I believe in supporting good behavior with money when it comes to games. I got what I deserved for my money and so did the developers.

Well if you don't like Their business model dont support it. As for other freeloaders complaining about whatever gripe they have. Pay first then complain.  If developers give all the freeloaders everything  they clamor for. What's the point in charging for anything.

People will use the weak argument that they have to be able to  see the game to decide if they want to pay for it. Well if your playing the trial version because that's what most of these F2P and there are things you see you want or feel that the paying Crowd gets to many advantages. Then don't complain. Buck up and  pull out your wallets instead of throwing a tantrum like a 3 year old.

Originally posted by cybertrucker

Well if you don't like Their business model dont support it. As for other freeloaders complaining about whatever gripe they have. Pay first then complain.  If developers give all the freeloaders everything  they clamor for. What's the point in charging for anything.

People will use the weak argument that they have to be able to  see the game to decide if they want to pay for it. Well if your playing the trial version because that's what most of these F2P and there are things you see you want or feel that the paying Crowd gets to many advantages. Then don't complain. Buck up and  pull out your wallets instead of throwing a tantrum like a 3 year old.

lol. The only person here that is throwing any tantrum is you.

The best things in life are free... but you can keep 'em for the birds and bees.
Now gimme money... that's what I want....that's what I want, oh-yeh, that's what I want.
 

Originally posted by Sijjistoryus

Originally posted by cybertrucker

Originally posted by Sijjistoryus
I don't mind FTP games having a 10-15 per month premium charge. What I don't like, however, is when you get these entities that will only release a cool race or costume if you purchase some $200 "founder" pack.

If there is a market for it, then it's not for you to decide.  I spent  38k on a vehicle that I take offload when. I could have bought a beat up pick up.  Why? Because I like the vehicle and it's my money. There is a market for it. So you can dislike it all you want.  I am sure there are people who will buy it either way. 

 

Yes. However, a dealership selling a 38,000 vehicle isn't going to piss anyone off. Moreover, I said, "I" don't like". I wasn't speaking for anyone else.

Wait 6 months to a year the 38k vehicle will be 19k one.   Wait 6 months to a year and that founders pack will be in the cash store. Why sweat the small stuff

Path of Exile.

End of Story

I guess it really depends on what people complain about if I'd agree or not. If you're saying that people who don't pay shouldn't be able to complain (or i.e. have their say, some people struggle to express themselves so it comes across as complaining) then you're rather ignorant of how the f2p model works.

Successful f2p games satisfy both paying customers and non-paying customers because it's those non-paying customers that may or may not become future paying customers. We've seen many games go f2p because of a dwindling playerbase, if all you do is roll out the red carpet for your paying customers and ignore the rest then there won't be any incentive for players to try out the game. Furthermore you'll be stuck with the same problem since the only people hanging around are those willing to pay.

I'm not sure about the rest of you but I know I've been willing to pay for some games and not for others. Personally I found in games where the line between paying and non-paying customers was finer were far more enjoyable with a significantly better community. In games where moneys nets you significantly more than others, I've found that you have quite a few kids (and sadly some older players too) running around on massive ego trips, which I've never found entertaining.

I think what most people fail to realise (and thankfully those who pull the strings usually do realise) is that a lot of complaining is generally from people failing to recognise what they dislike and just venting their displeasure in any way they can. Sure it may be annoying but occasionally there are some legit concerns that may need to be addressed. 

Preach on brother.

For any kids in 'merica that say they can't afford a monthly fee and are forced to play those games.

Mow a yard for money, wash a car, dance and sing yankee doodle for seniors, sell candy at school or gum or flavored toothpicks, babysit, care for someones pet or walk them, ask an old person if you can pick something up for them at the store for a tip.

Every one of those things made me money as a kid. Fast-food will hire the teenage types. Don't steal money from the register, just work for it.

Parents aren't always the best for donations - I had to vacuum the house everyday, wash all the windows in the house once a week, do dishes every other day, and clean up after cats for 50c a week allowance. Your real cash is in strangers, use your big cute eyes to look up at people and ask for a job, they will appreciate it more than parents and call you a good kid. In this day and age you can even look up the registered sexual offenders online to know which houses to avoid lol

The scene may have changed, I bought text computer games with my cash but you can throw yours at online games, isn't technology beautiful.

Originally posted by Doogiehowser

F2P models are nothing more than an extended trial. So ultimately if a player likes the game they will eventually end up being subscribers or spend similar or more amoutn iin cash shop. So yes in a way F2P players get what they deserve and rightly so. But then again without these F2P crowd your favorite MMO would crumble.

nah .. i like STO enough .. never paid a cent.

F2P model is that the free players become content for the paid players, and the paid players pay for everyone. Some restrictions may apply :P

As someone who has spent a little over $300 on LoL(over 2 years)(heros, and IP leveling buffs), around $70 on Mabinogi(pets extra banking),  Made around $50 from wurmOnline(ToS allowed character sale),  Made around $150 on SecondLife(programming ability),  and lots of smaller amounts all over the place.  

The only thing I really think developers are missing are what F2P players really are.   The F2P players are the product they're selling, without interactions from a broad community MMO's are pretty lame and poorly designed games.   Companies would do better to keep all F2P players there and happy in their game.

Hmm, I have been playing Aion some since Christmas, and since I paid nothing for access to the entire game world, all classes and races, and all skills and abilities, I guess I got a lot more than what I deserved.

Originally posted by Doogiehowser

F2P models are nothing more than an extended trial. So ultimately if a player likes the game they will eventually end up being subscribers or spend similar or more amoutn iin cash shop. So yes in a way F2P players get what they deserve and rightly so. But then again without these F2P crowd your favorite MMO would crumble.

You know what?  Maybe they should crumble.  As long as we, the customers, continue to support bad designs the industry won't learn a damn thing and yes some bad games are still around on this model.  We won't all agree on which those are, but I'm sure we could all name a few.