Originally posted by Theocritus
TSW and LoTRO were both pretty much made as single player games....I wouldn't say either one was good but they appeal to some....To me having a storyline with my character just standing as a deaf mute is pretty ridiculous....i'd rather play an Asian grinder than watch cut scenes and listen to voice acting.

Actually i prefer my character not talking in the cutscenes. It means the game isnt putting words in my mouth. When i make a character i make a CHARACTER. not a avatar, When i go RP i have a character. Now i know people arent big RPers however ive been playing DnD, WoD, Shadowrun, So on Soforth. SO im happy with how they decided to do that.

Originally posted by Rayshe

I disagree that TSW would work well as a singleplayer RPG, Combat would need a overhall, Removal of all quests that give Signets since without Purple gear you cant solo them. Removal of the multiplayer content being Lairs and Dungeons or make them easy enough to do so that one player could do them (AKA take away their broadsword and give them a nerf bat) Simply put to make it a good SPRPG you would basically drop a Nerf bomb on the entire project. Sorry i like my difficulty where it is.

 

Also given that you dont hit your true strength in the game until you organize a 5man group. TSW isnt like WoW where what somone brings with them is completely meaningless. Synergy has 2 levers, Player Synergy and Group Synergy. By cutting out the group synergy your simply making the game boring and simple.

+1 to Rayshe for making the point.  People tend to focus on on the single player aspects of TSW with the investigations and the main storyline, just because there are a few solo instances here and there.  The game is 95% groupable, and some of the most fun aspects of the game are the dungeons and lairs.  Not only balancing your individual build but fnding a group that works well together is important -- it really forces players to talk and strategize before plunging in.  There's a group finder, but it really pays to chat beforehand.  Not to mention it actually fosters community -- I've talked with more people in this game than in 4 years of playing WoW, and it's amazing how friendly people can be.

Originally posted by Rayshe

I disagree that TSW would work well as a singleplayer RPG, Combat would need a overhall, Removal of all quests that give Signets since without Purple gear you cant solo them. Removal of the multiplayer content being Lairs and Dungeons or make them easy enough to do so that one player could do them (AKA take away their broadsword and give them a nerf bat) Simply put to make it a good SPRPG you would basically drop a Nerf bomb on the entire project. Sorry i like my difficulty where it is.

 

Also given that you dont hit your true strength in the game until you organize a 5man group. TSW isnt like WoW where what somone brings with them is completely meaningless. Synergy has 2 levers, Player Synergy and Group Synergy. By cutting out the group synergy your simply making the game boring and simple.

uhh no shit rayshe, thats common sense

obviously if someone was talking about making WoW into a single player rpg, to fight onyxia, do you think it not common sense that you'd have to make it so only a single player would be able to beat her?(talking vanilla wow times) you act like that'd be a hard thing to do. doesn't diminish the epicness of boss fights. look at god of war. kratos fights fucking GODS and he's just a human(now a god) just one person.

also, lets say you want to keep the group dynamics, there's this thing called party members, think FFX, or to go a step beyond that, co-op mode. yes, its still a single player game with co-op mode.

jeez the stuff that people type these days...

Originally posted by ShakyMo
Yeah I prefer the mute player character approach of skyrim, half life 2, tsw etc..

Real disconcerting when I start talking I'm using some squeaky American youth voice when my real voice sounds like Sean bean or something.

i have no problem with it. Have you play Deus Ex Human Revolution.. it is a great RPG, and yet you are playing an avatar, not your character.

Originally posted by Sephiroso

also, lets say you want to keep the group dynamics, there's this thing called party members, think FFX, or to go a step beyond that, co-op mode. yes, its still a single player game with co-op mode.

Or have NPCs to fill the group .. just like what STO does. STO can pretty much be played as a SP game without modification because of that.

Originally posted by supertouchme
modern mmos are based on lackluster storylines and probably wouldn't make good single-player games. shit, most of them aren't even good mmos.

STO is the best single-player Star Trek game out there . simply because there is no other star trek game.

In fact, there wasn't even a star trek game in the past that allows you to "drive" so many star ships, and also with ground combat. Sure that Star Trek Elite Squad game probably does better in terms of ground combat, but certainly not in terms of ship combat (it has none), and storylines that combine ship & ground action.

Originally posted by aktalat

Originally posted by nariusseldon

There were threads discussing what single player games should be made into MMOs. I figure i will try something new and have the question reversed.

Here is my list:

TOR - this is begging to be a single player game. I think it is a mistake not to just do an online KOTOR with better combat.

STO - some of the story missions can probably done very well as a SP game. Ground combat can be improved but space ship combat is FUN.

DDO - lots of the dungeon missions are similar enough to SP quest chains.

TSW - i have not played this game ... does the story mission work well in a SP or co-op mode?

SWTOR was first on your list, and first on mine as well.

Ok so there's some multi-player battlefields thrown in, but the original solo-play Neverwinter games did that too, you'd play the game solo and then if you really-really wanted to you could setup a server, similar to Unreal Tournament or Quake, plus a toolset to build stuff and whatnot.

Wait, SWTOR doesn't provide you with tools to build stuff in-game, scratch that last part. :)

Same for me, SWTOR was the first one on my mind :)

Originally posted by Shadanwolf
ELDER SCROLLS....SKYRIM

uh? It is ALREADY a single player game?