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  TwoThreeFour

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2/08/13 8:41:01 PM#61
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by MadnessRealm
Originally posted by BizkitNL
Originally posted by Kaerigan
Originally posted by tiefighter25

"So, arguably if you go into this game knowing you are supposed to be paying for these weapons and you notice a glitch allows you to accumulate them without paying, that's theft as well."

SUPPOSED TO? Excuse me?! 

My view on this: exploit away. We shouldn't tolerate cash shop crap in single player games, at least not ones there's already a fee for.

There's no excuse for exploiting. Even if it's an EA game.

There's no reason why you shouldn't be able/allowed to exploit in a single-player RPG. So long as you don't breach any laws (like using their game assets to sell your own game without their permission/license) what you do in your single player game is entirely irrelevant to the developers.

To second this, single-player games are fundamentally different from multi-player games.  In a multiplayer game, if you give yourself some super weapon and go kill a bunch of other players with it, you ruin the game for others.  In a single-player game if you do the same thing, you don't disrupt things for anyone else.  Some single-player games even have cheat codes built in or allow players to greatly modify how the game works to make it easier for players to "cheat".

If EA is trying to block how single-player games can be played and charge extra to implement things that players can do on their own, then EA is being stupid.  If you want to restrict how players can play your game, you make it online and make the server check things.

I'm not advocating piracy here, but if you've properly and legally paid for a single-player game, then do whatever you want with it.  Modifying game parameters?  Editing saved game files?  Declining to apply future patches?  Have at it.  Unless, of course, you think it makes the game less fun.

 

But item mall in multiplayer games has never been about fairness, it has been about monetization. In an economic sense, the two cases are very similar: both are exploiting stuff to bypass the item mall.  Few if any company gives a shit about how other players are affected by that "super weapon", what is important is how it will affect their income.

  Uldah

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2/08/13 8:50:11 PM#62

Single player + exploits ?¿

single player + micro transactions?.

Stupidity.

Exploits only happens becouse of bad development, if you release a single player game exploit able , well your fault .

You know to start with , what the hell is a single player game with micro transactions?¿.

That is the bigest stupidiest slap in the face to any fan of the series, sinceother games that had  DLC of content already in the disk.

im a big fan of the series but i will wait till the game is work 20 bucks becouse i wont put up with this bs.

  MadnessRealm

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2/08/13 9:37:16 PM#63
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Swanea
Cash shops for single player games are just dumb.  Keep it up people, maybe EA will learn.

It is actually far better than cash shops in multiplayer games. In multiplayer games the chance that you affect someone else whether it is just visually or ingame-economically is far larger.

It's not better. It encourages developers (and publishers) to remove content that should be in the game, and sell it on top of a $60 game. The same as Day 1 DLCs, it's just ridiculous. It's like ordering a meal at a restaurant and having to pay for the ustensils. I'm definitively never going to that restaurant, let alone buy any SRPGs with Day 1 DLC and a Cash Shop.

This image is pretty much spot on :

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  stayontarget

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2/08/13 9:43:59 PM#64

Um lets just put this thread to bed.

http://kotaku.com/5982973/

http://kotaku.com/5982138/this-is-how-to-avoid-paying-microtransactions-in-dead-space-3

And..........

UPDATE: EA's PR sent over an e-mail to clarify that this isn't actually a glitch:

The resource-earning mechanic in Dead Space 3 is not a glitch. We have no plans to issue a patch to change this aspect of the game. We encourage players to explore the game and discover the areas where resources respawn for free. We've deliberately designed Dead Space 3 to allow players to harvest resources by playing through the game. For those that wish to accumulate upgrades instantly, we have enabled an optional system for them to buy the resources at a minimal cost ($1-$3

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  Z3R01

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2/08/13 11:06:49 PM#65
Purposely putting a grind into the game so players would buy a shortcut is a scumbag move for a single player game...

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  Rossboss

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2/09/13 1:29:23 AM#66
Originally posted by stayontarget

Um lets just put this thread to bed.

http://kotaku.com/5982973/

http://kotaku.com/5982138/this-is-how-to-avoid-paying-microtransactions-in-dead-space-3

And..........

UPDATE: EA's PR sent over an e-mail to clarify that this isn't actually a glitch:

The resource-earning mechanic in Dead Space 3 is not a glitch. We have no plans to issue a patch to change this aspect of the game. We encourage players to explore the game and discover the areas where resources respawn for free. We've deliberately designed Dead Space 3 to allow players to harvest resources by playing through the game. For those that wish to accumulate upgrades instantly, we have enabled an optional system for them to buy the resources at a minimal cost ($1-$3

This is hilarious. EA is a bunch of greedy business men/women who don't pay attention to how the cash shops work in online games. The idea of having a cash shop is to provide shortcuts to success in games without it being entirely dependent on player success or having cosmetic upgrades. Thank you for saying that the game is functioning as it should, which honestly should have been the first response. Also, EA is a bunch of thieves for selling us single player video games and then trying to sell us short cuts.

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  TwoThreeFour

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2/09/13 2:17:38 AM#67
Originally posted by MadnessRealm
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Swanea
Cash shops for single player games are just dumb.  Keep it up people, maybe EA will learn.

It is actually far better than cash shops in multiplayer games. In multiplayer games the chance that you affect someone else whether it is just visually or ingame-economically is far larger.

It's not better. It encourages developers (and publishers) to remove content that should be in the game, and sell it on top of a $60 game. The same as Day 1 DLCs, it's just ridiculous. It's like ordering a meal at a restaurant and having to pay for the ustensils. I'm definitively never going to that restaurant, let alone buy any SRPGs with Day 1 DLC and a Cash Shop.

This image is pretty much spot on :

Why wouldn't it encourage developers (and publishers) to remove content in multiplayer games as well? 

  MadnessRealm

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2/09/13 8:24:55 AM#68
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by MadnessRealm
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Swanea
Cash shops for single player games are just dumb.  Keep it up people, maybe EA will learn.

It is actually far better than cash shops in multiplayer games. In multiplayer games the chance that you affect someone else whether it is just visually or ingame-economically is far larger.

It's not better. It encourages developers (and publishers) to remove content that should be in the game, and sell it on top of a $60 game. The same as Day 1 DLCs, it's just ridiculous. It's like ordering a meal at a restaurant and having to pay for the ustensils. I'm definitively never going to that restaurant, let alone buy any SRPGs with Day 1 DLC and a Cash Shop.

This image is pretty much spot on :

Why wouldn't it encourage developers (and publishers) to remove content in multiplayer games as well? 

It does. Day 1 DLC has been done quite a few times already by EA (Mass Effect 3 and now Dead Space 3 comes to mind), Capcom has done it a few times (with their fighter games which have online multiplayer), etc. This is probably the first time a single or multiplayer game has had a Cash Shop however, but pretty sure it's not the last. 

The problem is that you're paying $60 for a SIngle or Multiplayer game, but although everything is available on the disk you just bought, part of it are locked.  It's like buying a bag of bread at a market, everything's there, but to get the last 3-4 slices you have to pay $1,99. It's things like these that encourages people to pirate games, even though it's illegal.

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  Dexter2010

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2/09/13 3:07:08 PM#69
Originally posted by stayontarget

Um lets just put this thread to bed.

http://kotaku.com/5982973/

http://kotaku.com/5982138/this-is-how-to-avoid-paying-microtransactions-in-dead-space-3

And..........

UPDATE: EA's PR sent over an e-mail to clarify that this isn't actually a glitch:

The resource-earning mechanic in Dead Space 3 is not a glitch. We have no plans to issue a patch to change this aspect of the game. We encourage players to explore the game and discover the areas where resources respawn for free. We've deliberately designed Dead Space 3 to allow players to harvest resources by playing through the game. For those that wish to accumulate upgrades instantly, we have enabled an optional system for them to buy the resources at a minimal cost ($1-$3

What a way to back peddle. If this is so, Why have a lawyer declare their playerbase to be thieves? This very statement proves their lawyer is guilty of making defamatory statements against players, so they should launch a class action suit against her or EA.

  WalterWhite

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2/09/13 3:09:04 PM#70
Nice to see EA being robbed for a change. Let's see how they like it as opposed to them robbing eveyone else.

  StonesDK

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2/09/13 4:21:59 PM#71

A lot of people sure likes to bitch about EA (with good reason) but will happily in the same breath fork over cash for titles such as the Mass Effect, Battlefield and The Sims series.

 

Put your cash where your mouth is. Otherwise being hypocritical is just a full time sport for you

  Fearum

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2/09/13 4:31:46 PM#72
Originally posted by Starpower

A lot of people sure likes to bitch about EA (with good reason) but will happily in the same breath fork over cash for titles such as the Mass Effect, Battlefield and The Sims series.

 

Put your cash where your mouth is. Otherwise being hypocritical is just a full time sport for you

 I would be guilty of buying BF3 and enjoying it but it has no cash shop. If it did I would not play it. I do not support cash shop games because I do not like having to buy anything else that should already be in a game. But people who keep supporting these cash shop games will soon see it go out of control and everything will have to be purchased.

  RefMinor

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2/09/13 4:33:48 PM#73
Originally posted by Dexter2010
Originally posted by stayontarget

Um lets just put this thread to bed.

http://kotaku.com/5982973/

http://kotaku.com/5982138/this-is-how-to-avoid-paying-microtransactions-in-dead-space-3

And..........

UPDATE: EA's PR sent over an e-mail to clarify that this isn't actually a glitch:

The resource-earning mechanic in Dead Space 3 is not a glitch. We have no plans to issue a patch to change this aspect of the game. We encourage players to explore the game and discover the areas where resources respawn for free. We've deliberately designed Dead Space 3 to allow players to harvest resources by playing through the game. For those that wish to accumulate upgrades instantly, we have enabled an optional system for them to buy the resources at a minimal cost ($1-$3

What a way to back peddle. If this is so, Why have a lawyer declare their playerbase to be thieves? This very statement proves their lawyer is guilty of making defamatory statements against players, so they should launch a class action suit against her or EA.

It wasn't their lawyer that was quoted, it was just a rent-a-quote lawyer the BBC asked to comment.

  StonesDK

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2/09/13 4:37:16 PM#74
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by Starpower

A lot of people sure likes to bitch about EA (with good reason) but will happily in the same breath fork over cash for titles such as the Mass Effect, Battlefield and The Sims series.

 

Put your cash where your mouth is. Otherwise being hypocritical is just a full time sport for you

 I would be guilty of buying BF3 and enjoying it but it has no cash shop. If it did I would not play it. I do not support cash shop games because I do not like having to buy anything else that should already be in a game. But people who keep supporting these cash shop games will soon see it go out of control and everything will have to be purchased.

To me that's like saying I hate puppymills but that one puppy was just so cute I just had to have it.

  Toxic2k

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2/09/13 4:51:57 PM#75

EA - 2017

Dead space 5 - 59.99$
1.DLC - unlock your mouse 9.99$
2.DLC - Unlock 2 more buttons on your keyboard 4.99$
3.DLC - Ability to save and load game 6.99$

Stop supporting big corporations like EA if you don't want this things to happen.

  Dexter2010

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2/09/13 6:22:00 PM#76
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by Dexter2010
Originally posted by stayontarget

Um lets just put this thread to bed.

http://kotaku.com/5982973/

http://kotaku.com/5982138/this-is-how-to-avoid-paying-microtransactions-in-dead-space-3

And..........

UPDATE: EA's PR sent over an e-mail to clarify that this isn't actually a glitch:

The resource-earning mechanic in Dead Space 3 is not a glitch. We have no plans to issue a patch to change this aspect of the game. We encourage players to explore the game and discover the areas where resources respawn for free. We've deliberately designed Dead Space 3 to allow players to harvest resources by playing through the game. For those that wish to accumulate upgrades instantly, we have enabled an optional system for them to buy the resources at a minimal cost ($1-$3

What a way to back peddle. If this is so, Why have a lawyer declare their playerbase to be thieves? This very statement proves their lawyer is guilty of making defamatory statements against players, so they should launch a class action suit against her or EA.

It wasn't their lawyer that was quoted, it was just a rent-a-quote lawyer the BBC asked to comment.

Ah, thanks for the clarification.

  spizz

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2/10/13 1:47:42 AM#77

WTF...cash shop in a single player game ?  And people buy actually such games....wow. 

 

* we have digital download so many people dont own any dvd

* DLC for single player...often already a part of the game anyway

* cash shop for single player charging for the last tiny part of the full content in form of enchants/upgrades

 

What comes next......donations so the most beautiful female characters show their boobs ?

                          ...... a fee for petrol so your vehicle ingame can move

                                 and for windscreen wipers due to dynamic weather ?

                          ...... instead of a full game you pay for each chapter/level ?

 

  JimmyYO

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2/10/13 1:54:35 AM#78
Stopped reading at EA
  DamonVile

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2/10/13 2:20:29 AM#79
Why do people buy EA games ? The faster we put them out of business the sooner that marketshare can go to companies who don't consider you a baby to take candy from.

People are like cats. When they die, you get a new one.

  Dexter2010

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2/10/13 10:26:37 AM#80
Originally posted by DamonVile
Why do people buy EA games ? The faster we put them out of business the sooner that marketshare can go to companies who don't consider you a baby to take candy from.

I fully agree! People buy from EA and actually get surprised by being screwed. Simply boycott them and there'll be no problems.

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