Originally posted by Souldrainer

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Souldrainer

By contrast, Diablo 3 did one thing right with the story, by telling it as you went along.  However, the story they told was one of the worst pieces of writing I have ever seen.  I am trying to think of a game or movie that had worse writing, but just the plot holes alone send the thing way off the charts.  That's not counting the thematic disconnect and the failure to attach to the massive target audience of Diablo fans.  But hey, who cares about making a good game, as long as you make money?

You can't make money without making a good game. There is still more people playing D3 then most other online games (xfire numbers).

And .. the original point is that who cares about a good story when the game is great in combat and progression. The story is just an excuse to kill lots of stuff. And story is never the main attraction in a Diablo game.

What?!?!  I do NOT believe that you have to make a good product to make money.  I believe you just have to make a product, period.  As evidenced by:  Justin Beiber, and 90% of the sales at Wal Mart.  People buy some really low quality crap these days.

 

And... the original point is that who cares?  Well, if you are a Diablo fan, you do, because it is a major staple of the series.  Err, it was until that trashy game came out in 2012 and ruined the whole thing.

 So you're the arbiter of all that's good? I don't think so. While you're here questioning the story in D3 did you ever figure out what the plot was? Because you seem confused. Do you know who the wanderer was?

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Souldrainer

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Souldrainer

By contrast, Diablo 3 did one thing right with the story, by telling it as you went along.  However, the story they told was one of the worst pieces of writing I have ever seen.  I am trying to think of a game or movie that had worse writing, but just the plot holes alone send the thing way off the charts.  That's not counting the thematic disconnect and the failure to attach to the massive target audience of Diablo fans.  But hey, who cares about making a good game, as long as you make money?

You can't make money without making a good game. There is still more people playing D3 then most other online games (xfire numbers).

And .. the original point is that who cares about a good story when the game is great in combat and progression. The story is just an excuse to kill lots of stuff. And story is never the main attraction in a Diablo game.

What?!?!  I do NOT believe that you have to make a good product to make money.  I believe you just have to make a product, period.  As evidenced by:  Justin Beiber, and 90% of the sales at Wal Mart.  People buy some really low quality crap these days.

 

And... the original point is that who cares?  Well, if you are a Diablo fan, you do, because it is a major staple of the series.  Err, it was until that trashy game came out in 2012 and ruined the whole thing.

 So you're the arbiter of all that's good? I don't think so. While you're here questioning the story in D3 did you ever figure out what the plot was? Because you seem confused. Do you know who the wanderer was?

 

Exactly. Good for enough people -> make money. There are always haters for any product.

LOL .. the major staple of Diablo is build your character, and kill lots of stuff, not its story. The story boils down to .. there are bad evil demons, let's kill them.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Souldrainer

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Souldrainer

By contrast, Diablo 3 did one thing right with the story, by telling it as you went along.  However, the story they told was one of the worst pieces of writing I have ever seen.  I am trying to think of a game or movie that had worse writing, but just the plot holes alone send the thing way off the charts.  That's not counting the thematic disconnect and the failure to attach to the massive target audience of Diablo fans.  But hey, who cares about making a good game, as long as you make money?

You can't make money without making a good game. There is still more people playing D3 then most other online games (xfire numbers).

And .. the original point is that who cares about a good story when the game is great in combat and progression. The story is just an excuse to kill lots of stuff. And story is never the main attraction in a Diablo game.

What?!?!  I do NOT believe that you have to make a good product to make money.  I believe you just have to make a product, period.  As evidenced by:  Justin Beiber, and 90% of the sales at Wal Mart.  People buy some really low quality crap these days.

 

And... the original point is that who cares?  Well, if you are a Diablo fan, you do, because it is a major staple of the series.  Err, it was until that trashy game came out in 2012 and ruined the whole thing.

 So you're the arbiter of all that's good? I don't think so. While you're here questioning the story in D3 did you ever figure out what the plot was? Because you seem confused. Do you know who the wanderer was?

 

Exactly. Good for enough people -> make money. There are always haters for any product.

LOL .. the major staple of Diablo is build your character, and kill lots of stuff, not its story. The story boils down to .. there are bad evil demons, let's kill them.

Story in a hack&slash dungeon grinder ?

Stories are to be read and experienced ... once, not 5.000 times all over.

The best story in the world can only be experienced 3 times with a 10 year interval if possible.

D3 fell victim to the pre SW TOR hype launch: and so it included TOO MUCH story.

Since SW TOR we ALL know story is NOT the 4th pillar of on line games and never will be.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Souldrainer

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Souldrainer

By contrast, Diablo 3 did one thing right with the story, by telling it as you went along.  However, the story they told was one of the worst pieces of writing I have ever seen.  I am trying to think of a game or movie that had worse writing, but just the plot holes alone send the thing way off the charts.  That's not counting the thematic disconnect and the failure to attach to the massive target audience of Diablo fans.  But hey, who cares about making a good game, as long as you make money?

You can't make money without making a good game. There is still more people playing D3 then most other online games (xfire numbers).

And .. the original point is that who cares about a good story when the game is great in combat and progression. The story is just an excuse to kill lots of stuff. And story is never the main attraction in a Diablo game.

What?!?!  I do NOT believe that you have to make a good product to make money.  I believe you just have to make a product, period.  As evidenced by:  Justin Beiber, and 90% of the sales at Wal Mart.  People buy some really low quality crap these days.

 

And... the original point is that who cares?  Well, if you are a Diablo fan, you do, because it is a major staple of the series.  Err, it was until that trashy game came out in 2012 and ruined the whole thing.

 So you're the arbiter of all that's good? I don't think so. While you're here questioning the story in D3 did you ever figure out what the plot was? Because you seem confused. Do you know who the wanderer was?

 

Exactly. Good for enough people -> make money. There are always haters for any product.

LOL .. the major staple of Diablo is build your character, and kill lots of stuff, not its story. The story boils down to .. there are bad evil demons, let's kill them.

Originally posted by Souldrainer

 

 

So, you obviously never played Diablo 2.

People put D2 much too high in their memories. I know I didn't like it. It aged pretty badly in graphics and engine compared to say WOW. The latest D2 expansion was launched 3 years before the full 3D Azeroth and the difference was staggering.

When I look at that stuttering, badly pixelled and terrible clunky interface of D2 I only see a game that reminds of the 80's. The beautiful in game cinematics were the complete opposite of the world you actually played in.

I guess anyone remembering D2 as gothic or creepy must have been 8 years old at the time. Frankly D3's engine and graphics blow D2 away in 5 seconds tops.

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To me the only thing that Blizzard did wrong is that they stayed too close to D2 in game mechanics. These game mechanics are difficult to swallow by the new gamer crowds who demand full 3D. It is not the AH, it is not the hollow gameplay, it is not the extreme grinding, it is not the stats on gear chase.

D3 resembles too much a game that was fun for the late 80''s to mid 90's like D2, but these days people want more.

I predicted this 3 years before D3: what the hell ? a fake 3D Zaxxon game launched after full 3D Azeroth ? it would never succeed.

As it turned out actually, D3 did some nice new things, like making a very casual on line game with the attempt of putting a trading market in the game instead of in ebay.

But D3 can only be played in a very casual way and most want to play it like an mmorpg and that's the problem: D2 mechanics no longer work these days.

That's why Blizzard Dota will work (also casual, no attunements etc) and fast on line engine.... WITH PvP.

But watch this: TL1, TL2, PoE and all those other D2 clones: dead after 1 year. D3 will survive because of the Blizzzard BattleNet and some people will always click on it to smash some mobs for a few weeks, but that's about it.

The rest is, as they say, history.

Originally posted by Souldrainer
So, you obviously never played Diablo 2.

I did and i totally ignore the story. You just kill stuff in D2 .. just like in D1. After you repeat the same act for 100 times, do you really care about teh story? Isn't it about building your character and getting good items?

Originally posted by sportsfan

But watch this: TL1, TL2, PoE and all those other D2 clones: dead after 1 year. D3 will survive because of the Blizzzard BattleNet and some people will always click on it to smash some mobs for a few weeks, but that's about it.

The rest is, as they say, history.

 

D3 is still top 10 on xfire after so many month, and it just bumped off PoE (you need to use the detail game list to see).

But at the same time, i don't think longevity is that important in ARPG. PoE is a fun game .. i will play it for a while. So what if i "finish" in 3 weeks. I will have a fun 3 weeks.

Originally posted by sportsfan

Originally posted by Souldrainer

 

 

So, you obviously never played Diablo 2.

People put D2 much too high in their memories. I

 

Dude, this is the same kind of retarded shit the devs spouted when Diabo 3 was at a (well deserved) 2.8 Metacritic.  I played Diablo 2 last week.  I know the score it deserves.  11/Impossible out of 10.   This is the 2013 score!  Diablo 3 should have been either at least an 8/10 OR a game that at least lived up to alpha footage.   Nope, 0/10 due to excessive commercialism.

@sportsfan - I couldn't go through all of your comment as it is full of bs and complete nonsense.

80's and mid 90's? Are you on crack? D II was released in 2000 from what I know.

Comparing its graphics to that of the 80's games? Are you serious bra'? It's obvious you have absolutely no knowledge of video games in general.

 The reason DIII failed is that they've tried to mmorpgize via WoW mechanics and balance a classic arpg hack&slash formula that doesn't have anything to do with balance. Hack&slashes are all about fun. Top that with the useless auction house that ruined the whole main concept of hack&slashes and you have a piece of crap that most fans hated and droped soon after release.

 Why? Because it wasn't fun.

 On the story side, I also believe that it's the most craptastic piece of writing I have recently encountered in a AAA title. It doesn't even compare with the previous ones.

 The game is too colourful for its own good. You can't have a dark hack&slash with that much yellow and red flying everywhere. Coroborate that with the writing of a high-school freshman and you have the bases for a WoWistique hack&slash buy shit from the auction house respec in a heartbit garbage that failed the franchise and its core fans.

 Median is above DIII in design for a hack&slash. A freacking mod. That cannot be. I tell you. Not when you have the resources Blizzard has.

 But that happens when most of the talented people working for you said goodbye as soon as you got in bed with a former water and waste "state" enterprise.

Originally posted by Souldrainer

Originally posted by sportsfan

Originally posted by Souldrainer

 

 

So, you obviously never played Diablo 2.

People put D2 much too high in their memories. I

 

Dude, this is the same kind of retarded shit the devs spouted when Diabo 3 was at a (well deserved) 2.8 Metacritic.  I played Diablo 2 last week.  I know the score it deserves.  11/Impossible out of 10.   This is the 2013 score!  Diablo 3 should have been either at least an 8/10 OR a game that at least lived up to alpha footage.   Nope, 0/10 due to excessive commercialism.

Luckilly, your opinion is just that......your opinion.

Besides, we all know the Metacritic scores consist of trolls like you voting 0/10 and then using them as arguments :).

Originally posted by BizkitNL

Originally posted by Souldrainer

Originally posted by sportsfan

Originally posted by Souldrainer

 

 

So, you obviously never played Diablo 2.

People put D2 much too high in their memories. I

 

Dude, this is the same kind of retarded shit the devs spouted when Diabo 3 was at a (well deserved) 2.8 Metacritic.  I played Diablo 2 last week.  I know the score it deserves.  11/Impossible out of 10.   This is the 2013 score!  Diablo 3 should have been either at least an 8/10 OR a game that at least lived up to alpha footage.   Nope, 0/10 due to excessive commercialism.

Luckilly, your opinion is just that......your opinion.

Besides, we all know the Metacritic scores consist of trolls like you voting 0/10 and then using them as arguments :).

Yup. The OP is very narrowminded and presents his opinions as the ultimate facts.

We also know that the low metacritic scores had NOTHING to do with the game itself, it was all about nerdrages as a result of the technical problems at launch. This is very typical for that site, and the OP is exactly the same as those who voted on that crappy site: most scores are either 0 or 10, and almost no games deserves either scores.

Originally posted by Netspook

Yup. The OP is very narrowminded and presents his opinions as the ultimate facts.

We also know that the low metacritic scores had NOTHING to do with the game itself, it was all about nerdrages as a result of the technical problems at launch. This is very typical for that site, and the OP is exactly the same as those who voted on that crappy site: most scores are either 0 or 10, and almost no games deserves either scores.

All games got haters. But there are three verifiable measures.

1) D3 sold 12M. No matter what the reasons, people are willing to pay for this game. And i bet the expansion will sell millions.

2) D3 rated highly on metacritics professional reviews.

3) D3 is still top 10 on xfire after 10 months. So people are still playing the game. In fact, more are playing than other ARPGs.

Quality and fun are subjective. But no one can deny this game makes a lot of money, and there are still many playing it after 10 months.