I'm willing to bet anything that if some developer made an mmo that was strictly server based,very very hard, no dungeon finders and had to work for everything you did IT WOULD BE THE MOST POPULAR MMO TO DATE.  It would keep the community longer reguardless of speed of updates and expantions.

Community drives people to log in after the romance is over.

Reguardless of what many people say here, I 100% beleave that the developers are acting on there own with the easy fast tools they are giving us. And for the ones that disagree....I think you wold change your mind and love a hard slow mmo with a fixed community...It would keep your hart pumping to play with the good and bad players every day.

Originally posted by delete5230

I'm willing to bet anything that if some developer made an mmo that was strictly server based,very very hard, no dungeon finders and had to work for everything you did IT WOULD BE THE MOST POPULAR MMO TO DATE.  It would keep the community longer reguardless of speed of updates and expantions.

Community drives people to log in after the romance is over.

Reguardless of what many people say here, I 100% beleave that the developers are acting on there own with the easy fast tools they are giving us. And for the ones that disagree....I think you wold change your mind and love a hard slow mmo with a fixed community...It would keep your hart pumping to play with the good and bad players every day.

I like the idea of a hard game. They would need to get rid of levels though.  I would also like an adapting program that changed things around so that the player could not map out strategies to certain events.

I don't think dungeon finder is bad. Maybe with a stipulation of passing the dungeon once or something. Or better yet a reason to go to a dungeon in the first place. like for instance in order to get past level 10 you had to venture in the dungeon. Core skills, or something of importance to the player.

Player should start out with nothing, no hearth, money, clothes, weapons...and just thrown into the world to figure it out.

Originally posted by delete5230

I'm willing to bet anything that if some developer made an mmo that was strictly server based,very very hard, no dungeon finders and had to work for everything you did IT WOULD BE THE MOST POPULAR MMO TO DATE.  It would keep the community longer reguardless of speed of updates and expantions.

Community drives people to log in after the romance is over.

Reguardless of what many people say here, I 100% beleave that the developers are acting on there own with the easy fast tools they are giving us. And for the ones that disagree....I think you wold change your mind and love a hard slow mmo with a fixed community...It would keep your hart pumping to play with the good and bad players every day.

i agree , for example ,i played FFXI for years , the game was frustating as hell , but u know what?  could wait to log in and chat /do events/exp pts / missions with my Lsmates/friends , the community was the n1 reason i was playing , and the reason for coming back from time to time :D

i can say the same for wow , i endured the cataclysm expansion because my guild/friends , a lot of them no longer plays , so i quit.

Oh a closed server w/o dungeon finder , is 1 of the best things why?

Ninja/botersJerks? Good luck finding a group to do anything! u will be blacklisted/ignored by the whole server , u better delete that char and star over again w/o doing that.

Name change ? not gonna happen even if u did that u were found and exposed.

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by delete5230

Longevity and community

No one sticks around anymore....Why ?.........No Community, The last time I have seen an mmo with true community tools were the old Vanilla WoW and Everquest 2 days. I'm not talking about liking a game or not, I'm talking about community !....Real servers, very simple.

The last time you saw a community that shared your views.

After all, a community of people who have differeing views from you, you probably would not perceive as a community.

 

Community is definitely there in a lot of MMOs. To try to give examples would be futile, though, as anything outside of player views/activities that match yours would be dismissed as not community, not fun  or not important.

 

If you guys spent half as much time being part of a community as you do complaining they don't exist, you'd enjoy MMOs a lot more. The former takes more effort, though.

 

 City of Heroes had a really great community back in the day.

Originally posted by delete5230

I'm willing to bet anything that if some developer made an mmo that was strictly server based,very very hard, no dungeon finders and had to work for everything you did IT WOULD BE THE MOST POPULAR MMO TO DATE.  It would keep the community longer reguardless of speed of updates and expantions.

Community drives people to log in after the romance is over.

Reguardless of what many people say here, I 100% beleave that the developers are acting on there own with the easy fast tools they are giving us. And for the ones that disagree....I think you wold change your mind and love a hard slow mmo with a fixed community...It would keep your hart pumping to play with the good and bad players every day.

 I bet such a game would have fewer people than darkfall did half a year after the original launch. 

Most people do like challenges but they also want to relax after a long days work.  Very very hard, don't think so, having to work for everything - I just came from work.

Make it fun, make it very easy to group and maybe maybe that will overcome the other inconveniences.

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

 I bet such a game would have fewer people than darkfall did half a year after the original launch. 

Most people do like challenges but they also want to relax after a long days work.  Very very hard, don't think so, having to work for everything - I just came from work.

Make it fun, make it very easy to group and maybe maybe that will overcome the other inconveniences.

I'd prefer a game that allows for adjustable choices in difficulty for everything. Emphasis on the ADJUSTABLE part.

Granted, you'd probably have to account for things such as the grouping and things like that.

And before anyone brings up WoW's raid finder, that ONLY applies to raiding; everything else you can do, like PVP, Questing, Dungeons, and some other stuff that I'm likely forgetting is pretty much "take it or leave it," which in this case, either results in things being braindead easy (especially at lower levels) or outright annoying when an unfortunate alt character with few viable items outside of maybe 1 or two heirlooms gets curbstomped by a platoon of heirloom covered alts.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THE ABOVE IS BASED ON CATACLYSM EXPERIENCE, AND THUS IS OUTDATED; I HAVEN'T PLAYED MOP SO I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT IS LIKE.

it's pretty clear that a lot of people here don't understand that fundamental differences in design lead to changes in community dynamics and social atmosphere. a game like everquest provides a radically different social experience than that of a game that ushers you through the world as you complete mundane solo quests.

furthermore, mmos should not be made with the "casual" player mind. despite whatever half-baked arguments you come up with, casual players aren't the ones supporting the gaming industry. only have 30 minutes to play a game? play wizard101 or angry birds on your phone. or you can behave like a normal person and play an mmo when you have adequate free time. unfortunately, developers fall into this trap and end up creating 100-million-dollar mmos that have no longevity.