From what I saw so far, it looks as if its a reboot of D&D Online launch a few years ago which ended up having people quitting left and right because all you could do was being in the same city, running to npc to grab a quest, go into a cellar, go back, rinse, repeat with the only difference that instead of a cellar you had also tunnels, partially caves (underground of the city) and such.

So people were missing outside areas a lot.

I don't know what came with the expansions later and after it turned to free to play cause I had quit after a few months and never looked back after.

However, as a huge fan of neverwinter nights, all its expansions and the included aurora toolset (loved modding with it back in 2000 and later!), I was totally looking forward to this mmo.

Not quite sure what I should make out of it yet but I think I'll wait and see how it unfolds before I'm gonna give any judgement.

One thing I can say is that Cryptic created one of the most unique and editable, original and the first ever super heroes mmo with city of heroes back in 2004 so I'm having a lot of faith in them alone when it comes to the editing tools cause the character editor, thebase editor and mission architect in City of Heroes/Villains were the best and the first of that nature a mmo ever had.

After gathering a lot of information myself, i have to write, NW may not be a bad game. It may also be fun. But it will have a hard burden due to the fact that the whole "CLASS" system isn't D&D.

It shares the names, but it really is just a generic MMO shell setup. The lack of icnoic classes like Monks & Druids or Rangers or Paladins or Bards ("at the start" - promises again, sight...) isn't even the issue. It's that these classes are nothing more than premade shells shoehorned into a weapontype and combat style while the original didn't do any of those.

Dex Based small weapon warriors with high AB but low damage. Dualwield melee Rangers (not the bow guys at all). Multiclassing Ranger with druids for pet carnage and heals. Plate Armor wearing cleric fortresses who where immortals between undead types or debuff / buff control clerics - Illusionary mages who where all about avoiding fights - the deathmagic nukers and mind magic stunners - The 1000 arcane missile rogues (scrolls & robes) - The unstoppable monks, the brawlers.....

^ that all is not possible and will never be unless cryptic reworks their "class" design from the ground up. The classes are just MMO role shells with random D&D names slapped over it.

If one can accept that, this may even be a great game. I personally have to see if ican find (for my preferences) a "fitting class" , i was all for going to be a cleric in platemail and with a two handed mace knocking undead over and standing kneel deep in lich skulls.

That's not possible :( The "Devoted Cleric" is your generic MMO healer with chain visuals but squishiness like any robe wearer.

Maybe i will like the "trickster rogue", despite thinking having dualwield with shadow dancer isn't the best idea for a build and especially for a preset build :)

Originally posted by Akumawraith

Originally posted by oubers

Originally posted by Akumawraith

Originally posted by oubers

Originally posted by SBFord
Neverwinter will launch with five classes as far as we know but if you look at any credible D&D site, there are a ton of other classes that can and undoubtedly will be added. 

And you know this for a fact?

If not, i see just you starting a hypetrain......nothing more, nothing less.

Actually the lead Designer for Cryptic on Neverwinter stated clearly there will be more classes released in the future including the possibility of a ranger class and a plate wearing cleric. Whether they will be in patches or full blown expansions remains to be seen. of course if they put the new classes on the Cstore i wont complain.. a company needs to make money and the game is being given to players for free with no sub.

i am just saying that companies don't always deliver on what they say in beta.......prove me wrong.

I hope they can keep the fans happy.....personally i am not touching this game with a stick......not my kinda game.

(don't be confused....i didn't say this game sucks, i just stated that i dont like it.....that's all).

As far as the classes is Neverwinter 5 on release and they said they will add more later. considering there is alot of conent in forgotten realms we can expect alot of things to come. the game is richer in story and lore than even WoW.. done right it could be a wonderful game. but again its up to cryptic to take the reins and do it right. whether they do or not is dependant on many things. support of the Cstore from players.. the game is free to play and download so the company needs to make money somewhere.  Now as i said before the lead designer and several of his staff are avid PnP D&D/Forgotten Realms fans.. so just maybe we will see great things. cross your fingers and hope for the best.

From the TB beta press video, other classes are currently being developed. They also said their current number of 5 is not something they would have wanted to release with when they started the project, but the 5 classes they do have are great to play and have quality to them. Hoping for the best +1.

Originally posted by sea.shell

After gathering a lot of information myself, i have to write, NW may not be a bad game. It may also be fun. But it will have a hard burden due to the fact that the whole "CLASS" system isn't D&D.

It shares the names, but it really is just a generic MMO shell setup. The lack of icnoic classes like Monks & Druids or Rangers ("at the start" - promises again, sight...) isn't even the issue. It's that these classes are nothing more than premade shells shoehorned into a weapontype and combat style while the original didn't do any of those.

 

Dex Based small weapon warriors with high AB but low damage. Dualwield melee Rangers (not the bow guys at all). Multiclassing Ranger with druids for pet carnage and heals. Plate Armor wearing cleric fortresses who where immortals between undead types or debuff / buff control clerics - Illusionary mages who where all about avoiding fights - the deathmagic nukers and mind magic stunners - The 1000 arcane missile rogues (scrolls & robes) - The unstoppable monks, the brawlers.....

^ that all is not possible and will never be unless cryptic reworks their "class" design from the ground up. The classes are just MMO role shells with random D&D names slapped over it.

 

If one can accept that, this may even be a great game. I personally have to see if ican find (for my preferences) a "fitting class" , i was all for going to be a cleric in platemail and with a two handed mace knocking undead over and standing kneel deep in lich skulls.

That's not possible :( The "Devoted Cleric" is your generic MMO healer with chain visuals but squishiness like any robe wearer.

Maybe i will like the "trickster rogue", despite thinking having dualwield with shadow dancer isn't the best idea for a build and especially for a preset build :)

The same question was brought up about the plate wearing Cleric and the dev said there are things in the works. So we will have to be patient.

Originally posted by sea.shell

After gathering a lot of information myself, i have to write, NW may not be a bad game. It may also be fun. But it will have a hard burden due to the fact that the whole "CLASS" system isn't D&D.

It shares the names, but it really is just a generic MMO shell setup. The lack of icnoic classes like Monks & Druids or Rangers ("at the start" - promises again, sight...) isn't even the issue. It's that these classes are nothing more than premade shells shoehorned into a weapontype and combat style while the original didn't do any of those.

 

Dex Based small weapon warriors with high AB but low damage. Dualwield melee Rangers (not the bow guys at all). Multiclassing Ranger with druids for pet carnage and heals. Plate Armor wearing cleric fortresses who where immortals between undead types or debuff / buff control clerics - Illusionary mages who where all about avoiding fights - the deathmagic nukers and mind magic stunners - The 1000 arcane missile rogues (scrolls & robes) - The unstoppable monks, the brawlers.....

^ that all is not possible and will never be unless cryptic reworks their "class" design from the ground up. The classes are just MMO role shells with random D&D names slapped over it.

 

If one can accept that, this may even be a great game. I personally have to see if ican find (for my preferences) a "fitting class" , i was all for going to be a cleric in platemail and with a two handed mace knocking undead over and standing kneel deep in lich skulls.

That's not possible :( The "Devoted Cleric" is your generic MMO healer with chain visuals but squishiness like any robe wearer.

Maybe i will like the "trickster rogue", despite thinking having dualwield with shadow dancer isn't the best idea for a build and especially for a preset build :)

Even if they do actually keep there after launch promises(which no company I can think of has yet to do) you can expect the aftermarket classes to convieniently be the most powerful for the purposes of purchase. Then what do we have? That's right folks, a pay to win game. Screwed eitther way, enjoy.

I wouldn't mind at all if the thread died right now, just watch the streams I linked they speak for themselves. I'm confident the game will lose most every D&D fan and perhaps gain many already bored GW2 players. You heard it here first.

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Originally posted by Akumawraith
The same question was brought up about the plate wearing Cleric and the dev said there are things in the works. So we will have to be patient.

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Just Plate will not do it, the emphasis was on Plate + 2 Hand Mace :)
There are rumors of 8 Classes at the beginning thought. So one can only hope.

Originally posted by JimmyYO

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by JimmyYO

I only have a passing familiarity with 4E... can you share where you see that influence and clear representation with those that might not know as mch as you?

Well for starters the game has dwarves in it! It also has swords and armor and a place called Neverwinter.  Plus it......well.......hmmm? I got nothing.

You mean besides the class and abilities/spells? That teleport you've seen in the videos is straight out of 4th edition. The Daily abilities is a little modified but again clearly 4th edition. Management and healing is handled the same way. 

I'm not exactly sure what specific examples you are looking for though. 

Why not help me out here and tell me what you feel doesn't represent 4th edition well in Neverwinter and maybe I can help you out. 

Wrong, they are pale shadows of 4e, mostly just in name. You don't hack and slash for 20+ rounds per monster for hundreds of damage at low level while mostly autohitting and spaming heals to collect magic items that always drop every dungeon. This is nothing like any form of D&D, stop pretending you know anything about pnp because it's obvious you do not.

What the above sounds like is a tera/wow ripoff which is exactly what this game is and you know what, that's fine. The problem is Cryptic had the audacity to put a D&D name on it, let alone Neverwinter. Fortunately for them this isn't the first time this has happened. All kinds of hell was raised when Turbine stained the world with a pestilence known as DDO, a game which is so terrible many nerds don't even know what that acronym stands for.

 

You do realize that 4th edition is more of a minatures game than PnP right? I'm afraid your the one that doesn't seem to know much of anything about 4th edition. After you've played or at least get a bit of understanding about 4th edition come back and we can discuss it again, but for now it really seems like you've never played with the system. 

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by JimmyYO

Originally posted by Draemos

Originally posted by JimmyYO

To be fair I really meant this game is terrible for D&D fans but since that is their target audience, given the D&D/Neverwinter name, that still does make it awful. If you're a Tera/WoW/GW2 fan this game might be worth checking out.

That said, I respectfully request that cryptic change the name of this game to "Plungeons and Plagons" or "Severwinter" or some combination of the two, in an attempt to accurately portray the game and not mislead true D&D fans.

Someone would have to be a retarded monkey to get misled.  This game has trumpeted the action MMO card from day 1... Plus it's CRYPTIC. Cryptic isn't going to make some complicated super deep dice-roll game, that's like the opposite of what they are good at.  Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knew it was going to be a loose representation of a D&d rule set  with  A Forgotten Realms backdrop.

Yep and the D&D fans have a right to run the game into the ground for using a well known name for cash grabbing purposes.

Do we all really have to do this dance every time a new game releases? People give negative opinions on a game, fanboys use the "it's not released to most people and you can't know from videos." Then beta is released and the fanboys say "it's just beta." Then launch "let them iron out the issues." 1 month "it's only been a month." Then "It's only been 6 months." Then "Hey 2k people are gold members the game must be good and therefore you're wrong."

Honestly guys just take the critism, it's only going to get worse from here.

Could you refrain from trying to speak for all D&D fans? As a D&D fan I disagree with you. D&D 4.0 is clearly represented in Neverwinter Online any D&D fan can tell you that. Love it or hate it you can clearly see the 4.0 influence, that is if you've ever played 4.0. 

 

I only have a passing familiarity with 4E... can you share where you see that influence and clear representation with those that might not know as mch as you?

 Still playing that card Vesavius? Truely if you really wanted to know why not find out for yourself? Surely your not gonna believe anything any random poster states to answer your question? Alittle googling.... /yadeyadeyah

Give it a rest eh? I am asking someone who has made a statement to expand on it is all. You need to stop looking for fights everywhere.

Just let the man answer, stop trying to shut down conversation that you don't personally agree with, and stop baiting other posters on a personal level.

No one makes you respond to anything I ask/ say except *you*. If you don't wanna join in with more then just 'Google it' then maybe just don't.

I am gonna stick you on ignore now. I don't tell you this because I think you will care or anything, I am saying just so you know addressing anything directly to me is probably a waste of your time.

Originally posted by Thane

Originally posted by Talonsin
Have you played it or is your opinion only based on only having 5 classes?

don't mind the troll...

he obviously did NOT play it

Not only has the OP not played the game they dont know a lick about its content.

"Slap a D&D title on it"? thats laughable at best since its in conjunction with WotC who owns the right to the certifiably D&D Plane Forgotten Realms.

as for 5 classes at release that wasnt what they planned on but its what they will have with more classes on the way in future content.. if they gave it all to us at start it would be a tragedy.

the OP probably is either ticked they arent giving the drizzt background and kitty with the spider mount for less or hes a Cryptic hater which i have seenfar to often in these threads. Guys its easy to blame the developers.. what you dont know is they answer to someone else who sys yay or nay to thier ideas.. especially in the focus of Startrek Online. Cryptic cannot do anything in game without the liscenced companies approval to maintain canon and continuity. I play STO and yeah i get angry sometimes at the limitations invoked against my KDF characters.. seriously thre are no orion mercs?

But i manage to keep in my mind that the devs can only make the changes that are approved.

Originally posted by Akumawraith

Originally posted by JimmyYO

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by JimmyYO

I only have a passing familiarity with 4E... can you share where you see that influence and clear representation with those that might not know as mch as you?

Well for starters the game has dwarves in it! It also has swords and armor and a place called Neverwinter.  Plus it......well.......hmmm? I got nothing.

You mean besides the class and abilities/spells? That teleport you've seen in the videos is straight out of 4th edition. The Daily abilities is a little modified but again clearly 4th edition. Management and healing is handled the same way. 

I'm not exactly sure what specific examples you are looking for though. 

Why not help me out here and tell me what you feel doesn't represent 4th edition well in Neverwinter and maybe I can help you out. 

Wrong, they are pale shadows of 4e, mostly just in name. You don't hack and slash for 20+ rounds per monster for hundreds of damage at low level while mostly autohitting and spaming heals to collect magic items that always drop every dungeon. This is nothing like any form of D&D, stop pretending you know anything about pnp because it's obvious you do not.

What the above sounds like is a tera/wow ripoff which is exactly what this game is and you know what, that's fine. The problem is Cryptic had the audacity to put a D&D name on it, let alone Neverwinter. Fortunately for them this isn't the first time this has happened. All kinds of hell was raised when Turbine stained the world with a pestilence known as DDO, a game which is so terrible many nerds don't even know what that acronym stands for.

 

the game is not a tera and wow rip off, matter of fact the Forgotten realms are far older than either of them its just that the devs working on Neverwinter are avid fans of the forgotten realms. It only makes sense that Cryptic created this game as Zeke and the others are all fans of the Forgotten Realms genre. Frankly your trolling of neverwinter bites of hate and discrimination rather than.... /snip

He is obviously not talking about the lore when he says 'rip off'. You seem to have misunderstood him.

I cut you off where I did and stopped reading because it was clear where you were going with your post... sorry if you made any valid points after this.

I personally thought his post was interesting and raised some points that could be discussed and debated without name calling.

Originally posted by sea.shell

After gathering a lot of information myself, i have to write, NW may not be a bad game. It may also be fun. But it will have a hard burden due to the fact that the whole "CLASS" system isn't D&D.

It shares the names, but it really is just a generic MMO shell setup. The lack of icnoic classes like Monks & Druids or Rangers or Paladins or Bards ("at the start" - promises again, sight...) isn't even the issue. It's that these classes are nothing more than premade shells shoehorned into a weapontype and combat style while the original didn't do any of those.

 

Dex Based small weapon warriors with high AB but low damage. Dualwield melee Rangers (not the bow guys at all). Multiclassing Ranger with druids for pet carnage and heals. Plate Armor wearing cleric fortresses who where immortals between undead types or debuff / buff control clerics - Illusionary mages who where all about avoiding fights - the deathmagic nukers and mind magic stunners - The 1000 arcane missile rogues (scrolls & robes) - The unstoppable monks, the brawlers.....

^ that all is not possible and will never be unless cryptic reworks their "class" design from the ground up. The classes are just MMO role shells with random D&D names slapped over it.

 

If one can accept that, this may even be a great game. I personally have to see if ican find (for my preferences) a "fitting class" , i was all for going to be a cleric in platemail and with a two handed mace knocking undead over and standing kneel deep in lich skulls.

That's not possible :( The "Devoted Cleric" is your generic MMO healer with chain visuals but squishiness like any robe wearer.

Maybe i will like the "trickster rogue", despite thinking having dualwield with shadow dancer isn't the best idea for a build and especially for a preset build :)

Good post

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Originally posted by Akumawraith

as for 5 classes at release that wasnt what they planned on but its what they will have with more classes on the way in future content.. if they gave it all to us at start it would be a tragedy.
 

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Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by JimmyYO

Originally posted by Draemos

Originally posted by JimmyYO

To be fair I really meant this game is terrible for D&D fans but since that is their target audience, given the D&D/Neverwinter name, that still does make it awful. If you're a Tera/WoW/GW2 fan this game might be worth checking out.

That said, I respectfully request that cryptic change the name of this game to "Plungeons and Plagons" or "Severwinter" or some combination of the two, in an attempt to accurately portray the game and not mislead true D&D fans.

Someone would have to be a retarded monkey to get misled.  This game has trumpeted the action MMO card from day 1... Plus it's CRYPTIC. Cryptic isn't going to make some complicated super deep dice-roll game, that's like the opposite of what they are good at.  Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knew it was going to be a loose representation of a D&d rule set  with  A Forgotten Realms backdrop.

Yep and the D&D fans have a right to run the game into the ground for using a well known name for cash grabbing purposes.

Do we all really have to do this dance every time a new game releases? People give negative opinions on a game, fanboys use the "it's not released to most people and you can't know from videos." Then beta is released and the fanboys say "it's just beta." Then launch "let them iron out the issues." 1 month "it's only been a month." Then "It's only been 6 months." Then "Hey 2k people are gold members the game must be good and therefore you're wrong."

Honestly guys just take the critism, it's only going to get worse from here.

Could you refrain from trying to speak for all D&D fans? As a D&D fan I disagree with you. D&D 4.0 is clearly represented in Neverwinter Online any D&D fan can tell you that. Love it or hate it you can clearly see the 4.0 influence, that is if you've ever played 4.0. 

 

I only have a passing familiarity with 4E... can you share where you see that influence and clear representation with those that might not know as mch as you?

 Still playing that card Vesavius? Truely if you really wanted to know why not find out for yourself? Surely your not gonna believe anything any random poster states to answer your question? Alittle googling.... /yadeyadeyah

 

Give it a rest eh? I am asking someone who has made a statement to expand on it is all. You need to stop looking for fights everywhere.

Just let the man answer, stop trying to shut down conversation that you don't personally agree with, and stop baiting other posters on a personal level.

No one makes you respond to anything I ask/ say except *you*. If you don't wanna join in with more then just 'Google it' then maybe just don't.

I am gonna stick you on ignore now. I don't tell you this because I think you will care or anything, I am saying just so you know addressing anything directly to me is probably a waste of your time.

 

I did answer you but since there were two asking or saying similar things instead of replying twice I replied to the other guy instead. Check post #149. 

Originally posted by JimmyYO

Hey look guys, I could care less if another actionRPG MMO tries to grace us with it's presence but don't slap it with a D&D label then insult the fans even more by giving it the Neverwinter name while making the game nothing at all like D&D(any edition).

 

For the record, DDO made a plethora of empty promises about adding many classes after launch as well. I think the sadest part is that Neverwinter Online is shaping up to be even less true to D&D then DDO, which is a feat in itself. How many fail MMO's that sandbag their own audience does it take before these devs learn.

 

The whole reason the PC Neverwinter series was so popular was because of how close it was to D&D. MMO's obviously have more limitations but that's not a free ticket to take a dump on the fans.

 

RIP Neverwinter series. Oh well maybe Pathfinder has the smarts to pull it off.

But have you played it?

Originally posted by Aeonblades
5 classes? Really? I will withhold judgement until I play it as far as gameplay goes, but by what I have read and seen it looks pretty bad. Especially since they added the D&D name to it as so far I have to see how it relates.

I guess we will just ignore the fact that they said they will be adding more classes including hero classes and more races after launch.

5 classes only!? Grrr...

Originally posted by Zorgo

Originally posted by Konner920
It's made by Cryptic. That's pretty much self explanitory. of how its gonna bem

Are we getting CoH cryptic or STO cryptic? Because those cryptic examples ended up with vastly different products.

It isn't so self-explanatory imo.

CoH got much, much, much better after Cryptic sold their portion to NCSoft.  I'd also argue that while the engine/graphics have improved greatly, the overall gameplay is not all that different between the two.

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by sea.shell

After gathering a lot of information myself, i have to write, NW may not be a bad game. It may also be fun. But it will have a hard burden due to the fact that the whole "CLASS" system isn't D&D.

It shares the names, but it really is just a generic MMO shell setup. The lack of icnoic classes like Monks & Druids or Rangers or Paladins or Bards ("at the start" - promises again, sight...) isn't even the issue. It's that these classes are nothing more than premade shells shoehorned into a weapontype and combat style while the original didn't do any of those.

 

Dex Based small weapon warriors with high AB but low damage. Dualwield melee Rangers (not the bow guys at all). Multiclassing Ranger with druids for pet carnage and heals. Plate Armor wearing cleric fortresses who where immortals between undead types or debuff / buff control clerics - Illusionary mages who where all about avoiding fights - the deathmagic nukers and mind magic stunners - The 1000 arcane missile rogues (scrolls & robes) - The unstoppable monks, the brawlers.....

^ that all is not possible and will never be unless cryptic reworks their "class" design from the ground up. The classes are just MMO role shells with random D&D names slapped over it.

 

If one can accept that, this may even be a great game. I personally have to see if ican find (for my preferences) a "fitting class" , i was all for going to be a cleric in platemail and with a two handed mace knocking undead over and standing kneel deep in lich skulls.

That's not possible :( The "Devoted Cleric" is your generic MMO healer with chain visuals but squishiness like any robe wearer.

Maybe i will like the "trickster rogue", despite thinking having dualwield with shadow dancer isn't the best idea for a build and especially for a preset build :)

 

Good post

He would be correct if they weren't using 4th edition as a basis. Again, this is a different D&D which is why many D&D players switched to Pathfinder or stuck with older versions of D&D. 4th Edition actually changes the class makeup a great deal turning most of the differences into nothing but fluff or cosmetic. 4th edition generalized and simplified things to such a degree that what you see in NWO is pretty much 4th edition. This is why many D&D fans were upset and switched to pathfinder and or stuck with 3.5 (Both are interchangable). 

Something like the Trickster from 3.5 has little in common with the Trickster from 4.0.