Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by Eletheryl

Real PvP and RvR. 

I'm skeptical... I don't see how you can have either of these, "truly", with faction locked zones.  Part of the real PvP sense of WoW's PvP servers came from being able to enter enemy lands.  It was exciting.  I'm not a big PvP'er, but I don't understand how any hardcore PvP'ers are thrilled about this.  It's worse than GW2's "no factions" set up, because you know where the enemy sleeps, but you can't kill him unless you enter a special zone..

And like I explained to a friend who didn't care for GW2's WvW, TESO explains their RvR almost exactly the same way.  Just try not to get your hopes up, no one's to blame for hyped up players but themselves if things turn out less than spectacular.

WOW PVP is a bad example of PVP that unfortunately, is the one most people know about. Their PVP design is all about the e-sport battlegrounds and open world PVP only exists in the minority of servers, the PVP ones. WOW is a PVE game with tacked-on PVP.

I played in Emerald Dream, an RP-PVP server, for many years and I can say from experience that the vast majority of PVP encounters was that of high level players griefing the lower level ones trying to do their PVE questing. I guess people that don't know any better will consider that thrilling and exciting. I just call it what it is: griefing.

Very rarely impromptu large scale PVP events were organized mostly by those who still didn't have the bear mount from capping all the enemy cities. Only in those rare occasions did WOW PVP feel anything like the fun of DAoC RVR. Except in DAoC that was available almost 24/7, not just when someone wanted to get their achievemnt and reward. Yes, DAoC restricted it to the RvR zones but that was never an issue and that persistent battle was infinitely more enjoyable than any PVP WOW has ever offered. I've experienced every PVP system designed for MMOs and I'm a firm believer that segregating it from PVE works best.

So yeah, DAoC...I guess you had to be there...

Originally posted by Eir_S It's worse than GW2's "no factions" set up, because you know where the enemy sleeps, but you can't kill him unless you enter a special zone..

 

It does not matter how it's done as long as there's unique factions, it's always better than no factions in my books, the PvP motivation is so much better when an actually different looking enemy from different land is against you, and not just a clone bunch from "another dimension" that looks exactly like you. There's no unique background or lore reasons for you to win either in GW2, might aswell let the invading enemy to win, they're not any different from you or your bunch, in fact they are exactly the same when it comes to "why we fight?" question.

Originally posted by ShakyMo
It's better than gw2s system because it breeds animosity and has actual rivalry. Your not just getting killed by some random dude from whatsitsface server you happen to be paired with this week.

Have you considered all the benefits of changing which server you are paired with in GW2 that ESO is missing out on?

If any one actually know the answer, I'll cal the FBI and go to your house and arrest you for NDA.

You need to actually play the game to know the answer.

Originally posted by boxsnd

endgame

real pvp progression

your enemies don't look the same as your allies

trinity

a game engine that allows more than 50 player fights without melting your computer

(hopefully) the pve zones won't be empty due to the mega-server tech

 

But at the moment we know very little about the game. I'm refusing to get hyped until I actually play it for a while. I'm very cautious after the GW2 disaster.

ohh yea you saw the endgame

you saw the pvp progression

theres no trinity

yes maybe 20 players will melt your computer

and no GW2 wasnt a disaster theres alot of ppl enjoing it

cool you left the game so why bashing it all the time you get paid for it?

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by Eletheryl

Real PvP and RvR. 

I'm skeptical... I don't see how you can have either of these, "truly", with faction locked zones.  Part of the real PvP sense of WoW's PvP servers came from being able to enter enemy lands.  It was exciting.  I'm not a big PvP'er, but I don't understand how any hardcore PvP'ers are thrilled about this.  It's worse than GW2's "no factions" set up, because you know where the enemy sleeps, but you can't kill him unless you enter a special zone..

And like I explained to a friend who didn't care for GW2's WvW, TESO explains their RvR almost exactly the same way.  Just try not to get your hopes up, no one's to blame for hyped up players but themselves if things turn out less than spectacular.

If you never played DAoC the nyou can't answer this question either.

For those of us who played DAoC, the sense of realm pride and animosity of the other realms was immense.  You do not get that in GW2 because you may be playing a Char and see a Charr on the enmeis side, no sense of realm pride there.

Originally posted by crysent

Originally posted by ragz45

Just currious what do you guys see TESO offering you that GW2 currently does not offer?  What improvements do you see TESO having over GW2?  Almost my entire guild left GW2 within a month of the game's release.  When I ask most of them why they left they can't really pin it down to anything specific.  Just that they lost interest, and couldn't be bothered to log in.  The three big changes I see being different are

• Lore - ESO and GW both have a well established lore, ESO is just different.  But both are equally good.  And while this is a different aspect between the two games.  I don't see it as an improvment.
• Character development - This is where I think TESO will really shine.  The character development in gw2 is sort of lacking In my opinion.  Being stuck with certain weapons for certain classes, and having skills tied to those weapons kind of bugs me.  And after you have unlocked all of the attacks for each weapon, you really don't have anything huge to look forward to as far as advancing your character.
• Seamless world - Having no loading screens will be a nice change.

 

What other changes do you see between two games?  Of those changes is it really an improvement?

Duh, everything, TESO offers everything GW2 currently does not!  Don't you know?!  TESO is the new kid on the block and no one here is going to complain about it until after it releases.  Until then we will have the highest expectations and defend it feverishly.

 

However, after it releases we will all just complain about it and call it a massive failure.

made lolz....but SO true :)

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Originally posted by saurus123

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Originally posted by boxsnd endgame real pvp progression your enemies don't look the same as your allies trinity a game engine that allows more than 50 player fights without melting your computer (hopefully) the pve zones won't be empty due to the mega-server tech   But at the moment we know very little about the game. I'm refusing to get hyped until I actually play it for a while. I'm very cautious after the GW2 disaster.

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ohh yea you saw the endgame you saw the pvp progression theres no trinity yes maybe 20 players will melt your computer   and no GW2 wasnt a disaster theres alot of ppl enjoing it cool you left the game so why bashing it all the time you get paid for it?

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End game hasn't been seen but its confirmed as being in the game (unlike gw2)

PvP progression is also confirmed, alliance points are like realm points in daoc and can be used to gain access to pvp specific abilities (confirmed in the guardian interview)

There is a trinity, look at zams hands on one of the first lines is "the trinity is alive and well in teso", also from the hands on here "Along those lines, the Trinity is in ESO"

Again they have confirmed they aim for 200+ on screen at once when running on their recommended spec. ,and have shown over 100+ on screen in their intro vid (which they have said in interviews were all player controlled), granted things might change when the game goes live, but atm its certainly looking good

Originally posted by ragz45

Just currious what do you guys see TESO offering you that GW2 currently does not offer?  What improvements do you see TESO having over GW2?  Almost my entire guild left GW2 within a month of the game's release.  When I ask most of them why they left they can't really pin it down to anything specific.  Just that they lost interest, and couldn't be bothered to log in.  The three big changes I see being different are

• Lore - ESO and GW both have a well established lore, ESO is just different.  But both are equally good.  And while this is a different aspect between the two games.  I don't see it as an improvment.
• Character development - This is where I think TESO will really shine.  The character development in gw2 is sort of lacking In my opinion.  Being stuck with certain weapons for certain classes, and having skills tied to those weapons kind of bugs me.  And after you have unlocked all of the attacks for each weapon, you really don't have anything huge to look forward to as far as advancing your character.
• Seamless world - Having no loading screens will be a nice change.

 

What other changes do you see between two games?  Of those changes is it really an improvement?

where did you get the info on tamriel being a seamless world?

Originally posted by Blakkrskyrr

Originally posted by ragz45

Just currious what do you guys see TESO offering you that GW2 currently does not offer?  What improvements do you see TESO having over GW2?  Almost my entire guild left GW2 within a month of the game's release.  When I ask most of them why they left they can't really pin it down to anything specific.  Just that they lost interest, and couldn't be bothered to log in.  The three big changes I see being different are

• Lore - ESO and GW both have a well established lore, ESO is just different.  But both are equally good.  And while this is a different aspect between the two games.  I don't see it as an improvment.
• Character development - This is where I think TESO will really shine.  The character development in gw2 is sort of lacking In my opinion.  Being stuck with certain weapons for certain classes, and having skills tied to those weapons kind of bugs me.  And after you have unlocked all of the attacks for each weapon, you really don't have anything huge to look forward to as far as advancing your character.
• Seamless world - Having no loading screens will be a nice change.

 

What other changes do you see between two games?  Of those changes is it really an improvement?

where did you get the info on tamriel being a seamless world?

It can't be seamless as it is split into 3 factions with zero interaction outside the central PvP hub of Cryodil.

What does ESO have that GW2 doesn't?

A bandwagon for hipsters to jump on? Overhype? Gw2 used to have this till people actually played it. I suspect people will hype the hell out of ESO but it will turn out to be mediocre....I hope im wrong and its amazing but I doubt it.