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  SuperNick

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2/07/13 10:33:19 PM#41
Originally posted by winter
Originally posted by SuperNick

 

PS: It's not a triple AAA MMO for the record. It's a rehashed, modified version of their Champions/STO engine which has had quite a short development time, from a relatively small team. It's middle ground production value, hence why it's not even buy-to-play like say Defiance.

 A bit of the thread subject and just out of curiousity who actually decides if somethings a AAA MMO, Many MMO's like SW:Tor say they are AAA MMO's, but many many players would disagree. While its just my opnion what I've seen of Neverwinter puts it up there with SW:Tor or at least up there with so called AAA ARPG's like Dibalo 3 and Torchlight 2.

   Sriously in the end isn't just everyone own opinion that something makes it a AAA game or is there some minium amount of money spent in developemnt cost that allows a game to be considered AAA. (obviously in the case of AAA MMO's like SW:Tor its not player retention or overall player satisfaction.) 

At its core, the term "AAA title" is basically a game with a high budget. I realise people mistake it with "high quality" or of A+++ rating but neither are true, as we all seen with SWTOR.

Now, money isn't everything but it is a very important factor when it comes to making any form of entertainment. There is no accounting for a company who screws it all up by forcing the release date or making crappy design choices (ala Warhammer, SWTOR, GW2) but not having money in the first place is hugely limted.

The problems with a title that doesn't have a great budget:

  1. Innovations are few and far between.
  2. Graphics have to take some hits, you'll most likely see reused assets a lot from past games and even see a lot of rehashing while in game.
  3. You can't afford large teams of people or even expensive developers/artists. Content and art will take hits as a result.
  4. Since you are working to a limited budget, you're on a finite timeline, your game needs to come out ASAP. Prepare for bugs, balance issues and lacking content.
There are 100s of other reasons why a lacking budget doesn't help, and while games like Eve, D&D Online and Rift enjoyed some good success, they are still nothing more than moderately successful games with medium rate populations.
 
  Ramonski7

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2/07/13 10:37:58 PM#42
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by Deviron
Originally posted by killahh
 Get a better education and a better job.

You need a better education.  If you had one you would know that statement is full of so much ignorance.

Some people cannot afford such luxuries. Kids, current status in life beyond work, and many more reasons can make it hard to spend 60$ on something they are not quite sure about.

To me its a money grab, but that is how the world works.

It's free to play.  How much of a money grab is that?

I don't get your point about people who can't afford luxuries and how unfair that is.  What's your point?

The point is that it's f2p and people are paying $200 for it and you don't even get anything in the mail..  It's the biggest mmo money grab I have ever seen.

You don't have to pay it and you can still play.  Where is the money grab?  What does the mail have to do with anything?

The op is complaining because they're jealous but too cheap to spend the money.

True

An undignified or unprincipled acquisition of a large sum of money with little effort. Sounds like a money grab to me.

I think he referring to the lack of physical objects that usually are part of the typical collector's edition package when you're placing a $200 price tag on a service that for all intents and purpose will have no actual price tag.

I think the majority of the complaints are steming from the idea that although we are all in agreement that this is a game and buying one of these $200 packages is a luxury. Cryptic and PW seem be sending conflicting messages with this offer. On one hand we are all safe to assume that the actual game client took a considerably large amount of effort to produce and develop. Yet they price it at $0 (F2P) and it holds no real value. And on the other, we are to accept that this package priced at $200, which we all know took very little effort to make compared to the actual game, is worth over $500 in value.

Mind you this price point is more than any other mmo collector's edition, which include both physical as well as digital content, released so far.

 

So it's not about feeling jealous or being cheap. It's about the mindset of developers and how they feel about the value of their player base. Do we mean so little to them that they are so willing to throw out such a rediculous price for their western player base so quickly? Why must we get less and less with every new mmo released and pay higher prices for it?


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  User Deleted
2/07/13 10:44:16 PM#43

Free is too high?

Didn't realise you needed a founder pack to play the game....

  User Deleted
2/07/13 10:53:58 PM#44
Originally posted by SuperNick

You don't get a "lot" for your $200. You really don't even get a lot for your $60 - and well, the $20 pack isn't worth that much either.

Expensive is a subjective term of course - one man's expensive is another man's chump change. However, one universal law does apply to the poor, the middle class and the rich: are you getting value for your money?

Frankly, no. In my opinion they're all overpriced for what they are.

That said, it's a free game. No buy to play, no sub.

I just think they're missing a trick here by charging so much - yes they'll get some sales, but they could really capture a lot more with:

a) more bang for your buck (visit to Cryptic studios, a collectors edition box with soundtrack and figure etc)

b) selling access to the beta for $5

c) lowering the price somewhat for a higher turnover

 

PS: It's not a triple AAA MMO for the record. It's a rehashed, modified version of their Champions/STO engine which has had quite a short development time, from a relatively small team. It's middle ground production value, hence why it's not even buy-to-play like say Defiance.

You forget that the $60 and $200 packs include in-game currency. You have no idea how much that will be worth. Yes, its an up-front cash injection, but I doubt they will rip off the players who do it. Most of the pets / mounts will probably be unique to founders.

  SuperNick

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2/07/13 11:07:14 PM#45
Originally posted by evilastro

You forget that the $60 and $200 packs include in-game currency. You have no idea how much that will be worth. Yes, its an up-front cash injection, but I doubt they will rip off the players who do it. Most of the pets / mounts will probably be unique to founders.

I've read through the benefits quite extensively - I still don't think a mount, a pet and some in-game cash which can be spent on more skins, mounts and pets justifies $60.

Basically you can spend nothing and play the game with the mounts, pets and skins that everyone else gets or you can pay $60 to get the above.. as I said, hardly seems like a justified deal but maybe that's just me. Maybe they should have just charged you for the game in the first place, at least then you'd feel OK spending another $20 for that type of stuff.

Buy-to-win days are over for cash shop models. I'd expect a cash shop akin to LOTRO, GW2 and TERA which means majority of the stuff will be cosmetic, with maybe the option to get another character slot etc.

  Akumawraith

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2/07/13 11:23:43 PM#46

the game is both free to download and play so the founder packs have nothing to do with the ability to play the game.

They give access to the beta for those who are not lifers in Startrek online and others. They are limiting the field for the closed beta.

The Forgotten realms genre for Neverwinter is rich in history and lore, if the devs want to charge for beta access then im all for it.

The package in question.. the 200 dollar hero of the north pretty much gives those that buy it the archtypical look of Drizzt Do'Urrden, one of the most iconic characters in Fogotten realms. if you dont know who he is then you of course wouldnt understand why its so expensive.

For those of us who do know about the Forgotten Realms genre its common sense.. Drizzt is a favorite. I dont blame the devs for taking advantage of this feature.

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  SuperNick

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2/07/13 11:28:05 PM#47
Originally posted by Akumawraith

the game is both free to download and play so the founder packs have nothing to do with the ability to play the game.

They give access to the beta for those who are not lifers in Startrek online and others. They are limiting the field for the closed beta.

The Forgotten realms genre for Neverwinter is rich in history and lore, if the devs want to charge for beta access then im all for it.

The package in question.. the 200 dollar hero of the north pretty much gives those that buy it the archtypical look of Drizzt Do'Urrden, one of the most iconic characters in Fogotten realms. if you dont know who he is then you of course wouldnt understand why its so expensive.

For those of us who do know about the Forgotten Realms genre its common sense.. Drizzt is a favorite. I dont blame the devs for taking advantage of this feature.

Sure, I don't blame Blizzard for thinking a mount is worth $15, an automated character transfer is worth $20. I don't blame FireFall for thinking a motorbike you'll be able to get in game is worth $140. Hey, a character slot given to you automatically in LOTRO costs $20.

All of the above is an unbelievable rip off. Which was kind of the point in the thread - it's a rip, they know it and we know it. The reason this thread will go on forever is because the whole concept of money is subjective. Some will have paid that $200 and will be completely happy with it since it was worth that to them. Some people would pay $500 and think that was fine, some would think $1 is too much already.

  Akumawraith

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2/07/13 11:39:55 PM#48
Originally posted by SuperNick
Originally posted by Akumawraith

the game is both free to download and play so the founder packs have nothing to do with the ability to play the game.

They give access to the beta for those who are not lifers in Startrek online and others. They are limiting the field for the closed beta.

The Forgotten realms genre for Neverwinter is rich in history and lore, if the devs want to charge for beta access then im all for it.

The package in question.. the 200 dollar hero of the north pretty much gives those that buy it the archtypical look of Drizzt Do'Urrden, one of the most iconic characters in Fogotten realms. if you dont know who he is then you of course wouldnt understand why its so expensive.

For those of us who do know about the Forgotten Realms genre its common sense.. Drizzt is a favorite. I dont blame the devs for taking advantage of this feature.

Sure, I don't blame Blizzard for thinking a mount is worth $15, an automated character transfer is worth $20. I don't blame FireFall for thinking a motorbike you'll be able to get in game is worth $140. Hey, a character slot given to you automatically in LOTRO costs $20.

All of the above is an unbelievable rip off. Which was kind of the point in the thread - it's a rip, they know it and we know it. The reason this thread will go on forever is because the whole concept of money is subjective. Some will have paid that $200 and will be completely happy with it since it was worth that to them. Some people would pay $500 and think that was fine, some would think $1 is too much already.

you missed the point...

Drizzt Do'urrden is the iconinc Character in Forgotten Realms which this game Neverwinter is based on. He is a renagade Drow Elf who escapes form his life in a dangerous vile city to come to the surface and becomes a hero of epic porportions. Struggling with his heritage, and the fear his appearance draws from surface dwellers Drizzzt has made himself a place in forgotten realms lore.

For the 200 dollar package you can get the same type of story background, and character skins and pet as Drizzt. hes legendary in the Forgotten Realms. in reference to wow itd be like giving the players to opt in to be a Undead Paladin that dual weilds.. so many millions would pay to have that character.

Thts how it is. You arent just paying for a mount or gear.. but a tie to one of the most wel known characters in the Forgotten realms setting. This isnt WoW.. its Forgotten realms a far older game world than most in existance. My suggestion to you is to learn about forgotten realms and not just jump to conclusions that this is just another MMORPG. its not. it has a long and rich history with millions of books writtenand sold.

 

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  Briansho

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2/08/13 12:09:28 AM#49
The 199 pack is for the impulse purchasers who don't want to wait 3 months to get the stuff cheaper or in game. 

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  Akumawraith

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2/08/13 12:16:49 AM#50
Originally posted by Briansho
The 199 pack is for the impulse purchasers who don't want to wait 3 months to get the stuff cheaper or in game. 

They have not said either way whether the founder pack items will be found on the cstore.. however if i remeber correctly in STo many things that are founder based never made it to ingame till much much later, if at all.

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  Eir_S

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2/08/13 12:25:58 AM#51
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
I agree with the OP - $200 is comical.

Yep.  This is unfortunate news.

  Akumawraith

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2/08/13 12:41:11 AM#52
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
I agree with the OP - $200 is comical.

Yep.  This is unfortunate news.

you dont need to pay anything to play so i dont see why your whining.

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  MMOGamer71

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2/08/13 1:20:43 AM#53
Originally posted by Akumawraith
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
I agree with the OP - $200 is comical.

Yep.  This is unfortunate news.

you dont need to pay anything to play so i dont see why your whining.

I don't see why having a position that $200 for a top end F2P game pack is too much is whining.  Then again it's easier to say that than address the "issue."

 

Edit:

Also this top end "Founders Pack" costs more than the Collectors Editions of any WoW expansion and more than SWTOR too. 

  zomard100

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2/08/13 1:28:03 AM#54
What is 200$ for you Americans??? In my country you can buy a good horse, composite bow, sabre, some food and wine for this money and you can ride in to sunset
  Akumawraith

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2/08/13 1:28:13 AM#55
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
Originally posted by Akumawraith
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
I agree with the OP - $200 is comical.

Yep.  This is unfortunate news.

you dont need to pay anything to play so i dont see why your whining.

I don't see why having a position that $200 for a top end F2P game pack is too much is whining.  Then again it's easier to say that than address the "issue."

as to the issue the 200 dollar package isnt  a game pack its a founder pack. which gives access to beta and gives players the abilty to get closer to the Drizzt Do'Urden Charater lore.  Its completely optional, the game is free to play and download. Theres no requirement to pay out the 20, 60 or 200 dollars for founder packs. they are completely optional. I dnt see the issue unless you are one of the gimme generation in which case id call it whining.

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  Arglebargle

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2/08/13 1:30:41 AM#56

I think the value for this is minimal, but then Cryptic (or PW) probably has a pretty good grasp on how many people will fork over the money for these things.  I doubt anyone will be forced to.   It just gets them some upfront cash, and gives bennies to the diehards.

 

Not being a fan of Drizzt at all (or at least the couple of poorly written novels I tried to read), this doesn't have that much appeal.   For some, it could be the pinnacle of uttermost cool.   I am going to try it out, eventually, for free and see if the mechanics and implementation are fun, for me.

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  MMOGamer71

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2/08/13 1:34:28 AM#57
Originally posted by Akumawraith
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
Originally posted by Akumawraith
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
I agree with the OP - $200 is comical.

Yep.  This is unfortunate news.

you dont need to pay anything to play so i dont see why your whining.

I don't see why having a position that $200 for a top end F2P game pack is too much is whining.  Then again it's easier to say that than address the "issue."

as to the issue the 200 dollar package isnt  a game pack its a founder pack. which gives access to beta and gives players the abilty to get closer to the Drizzt Do'Urden Charater lore.  Its completely optional, the game is free to play and download. Theres no requirement to pay out the 20, 60 or 200 dollars for founder packs. they are completely optional. I dnt see the issue unless you are one of the gimme generation in which case id call it whining.

So they develop "Founders Packs" that noone "has" to buy and advertise it like crazy including on the Champions Online and Star Trek Online logon screens in hopes of noone buying it.

Or

They overprice them to the point of them being more expensive than any WoW Collectors Edition and the masses go nom nom nom in defense of an overpriced product.

 

Sounds like great marketing logic.

  Akumawraith

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2/08/13 1:42:55 AM#58
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
Originally posted by Akumawraith
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
Originally posted by Akumawraith
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
I agree with the OP - $200 is comical.

Yep.  This is unfortunate news.

you dont need to pay anything to play so i dont see why your whining.

I don't see why having a position that $200 for a top end F2P game pack is too much is whining.  Then again it's easier to say that than address the "issue."

as to the issue the 200 dollar package isnt  a game pack its a founder pack. which gives access to beta and gives players the abilty to get closer to the Drizzt Do'Urden Charater lore.  Its completely optional, the game is free to play and download. Theres no requirement to pay out the 20, 60 or 200 dollars for founder packs. they are completely optional. I dnt see the issue unless you are one of the gimme generation in which case id call it whining.

So they develop "Founders Packs" that noone "has" to buy and advertise it like crazy including on the Champions Online and Star Trek Online logon screens in hopes of noone buying it.

Or

They overprice them to the point of them being more expensive than any WoW Collectors Edition and the masses go nom nom nom in defense of an overpriced product.

 

Sounds like great marketing logic.

considering they developed the game, are giving it to players for free and are charging for founders packs.. sure why not they have to make some capitol as they arent asking for anything from the players to play the game. and as for the founder packs. Yes they are optional.  if someone wants to pay for a founders pack it is thier choice. However  the packages are for access to the beta  which is thier right. there is nothing stating you have to pay for the founders packs to play the game. If you choose to pay for the founders pack and get into the beta you get a first hand look at the game till level 30 for this weekend not sure what for follow up weekends.

I dont see it as a bad deal. however the 200 dollar package gives you a unique apect in the game.. a character and history similar to a legendary character in the forgotten Realms setting. if you dont know who that is im sorry, you should  do your research on a subject matter before criticizing it.

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  leobre

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2/08/13 2:23:43 AM#59

Here's my take on this:

The company has the right to charge whatever they want , first of all.  We players , on the other hand, dont have to pay it.

I just dont understand why not include the beta access on the U$ 20,00 deal, thats what makes it look like a money grab to me.

If they did that people who want to try out the game without spending too much could do so , and the other 2 packs would be the luxury ones , everybody would win , everybody would be happy !

On kickstarter games thats what happens, you can donate whatever you are capable of , they dont start off asking for U$ 60,00.

Its all about good sense. As i said the company can charge whatever they want but i dont think they made the right decision here. Think about it, why not give access on the 20 bucks deal since the game is going to be free anyway ? 

The only other reason i could think of would be server traffic problems but in any case if they sell a lot of U$ 60 pakcs they will have that anyways....

Another thing they should do is come out loud announcing : " this game is not going to be pay to win !"   that  would calm everybody down. Theres no reason not to do it unless you are really not sure about it.  

If they are not sure about it just make it B2P !  Look at GW2 !   Charge something like U$ 30,00 to enter , have some luxury items on the cash shop but nothing to break the game ,and then charge again on the expansions and you wont have to worry about all this f2p crap....

Honesty is always the best option on the long run !

 

  Briansho

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2/08/13 8:57:34 AM#60
Originally posted by Akumawraith
Originally posted by Briansho
The 199 pack is for the impulse purchasers who don't want to wait 3 months to get the stuff cheaper or in game. 

They have not said either way whether the founder pack items will be found on the cstore.. however if i remeber correctly in STo many things that are founder based never made it to ingame till much much later, if at all.

Ok maybe 6-12 months after release :)

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