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  BlackHopper

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Joined: 2/07/13
Posts: 2

 
OP  2/07/13 11:17:41 AM#1

... that people have for this game is an odd phenomenon.

The old saying "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" comes to mind, but updated to "Hell hath no fury like a guy whos favorite videogame took a direction he was no comfortable with; you'll find him on the forums... every day."

I've never tried DF1, and was looking for a game like Ultima Online. I found DFUW and so far my first impression has been pretty good. Pretty much only one negative experience so far with part of the tutorial that required my buddy to skin a mob we killed, which took about 15 min before it finally succeeded. Other than that sometimes I think the people spewing hate is playing a different game than I am. I've experienced no bugs or crashes.

Now some people say there is a grind in the game, and that might be true depending on how you define grind. Personally I define it as being forced to do an action over and over again, without options doing other things. Basically I define grind as: Being forced to do stuff I don't want ot do.

A bit of playtime yesterday went like this:

Being pretty new to the game I set my guy in wood-chopping-mode while I asked some questions in the chat. I got mostly positive responses from that; but you can't escape the occasional sociopath - they are in every MMO.

When I was done I noticed my mount had been stolen, lol (I actually love you can do that).

Learned my lesson and went to kill zombies to get enough gold to craft a new one. Killed a ton of them, probably 100+. Some of them were tougher than others, and the AI seems different than other MMOs. Went back and crafted a new mount after that.

Then my buddy came online and we rode out into the world. Came across a goblin village which we chose to attack. Killed a bunch of goblins, got some more gold, was almost exploded a few times by goblin shamans (down to <10hp).

At no point did it feel like a grind. The game didn't INSIST that I do something over and over again, it was all my own decisions.

Now in regards to AV as a company I have little experience with them. But I know it is staffed by people. Real people and not robots. People who can be motivated/demotivated. All the hate that is coming in their direction has gotta be demotivating. I hope this doesn't turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy in regards to the game being bad BECAUSE of all the hate.

All I've seen so far is a company trying to make a game, but continually being punished for it, just because its not exactly like DF1. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, and maybe I'll change my mind about the company later. But all the forum warriors spewing hate, day after day, sometimes makes me wonder if they even remember why they are so pissed constantly. If AV made mistakes in the past, move on and allow them to grow.

Being negative all the time is the easy way out. Real men try to see things from the positive, and if that fails, move on.

  DarkfallFanatic

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Joined: 12/14/12
Posts: 100

2/07/13 12:05:24 PM#2

Well of course you didn't have to grind if you want to raid goblin villages with your buddy and make mounts. But any time you come across another player you WILL get rolled because you have inferior gear and your transfers aren't macro'd to 100, or your sword skill isn't 100, or your dex isn't 150. 

 

I dunno I hope everything changes at launch but as it stands hell 50% of the roles and classes are even missing...

 

I would macro too if it wasn't beta. Hell I would probably play the game for the grind as well. But doing it knowing a wipe will come is simply ridiculous. Makes me sorry for the poor souls farming ore every day which is the most boring thing I have ever done in any MMO. They could be having fun, but instead they choose to not have fun in order to have fun later. 

 

AV logic.

 

for comparison Im currently playing Age of Wushu and it solves most of the grind. Its actually semi fun to farm. For example when you hit ore it takes like 3-4 secs and you get 2-6 a hit. It takes maybe 10 minutes to gather enough to craft with. Furthermore the rare ore locations are sometimes in tricky spots so you have to climb your way up platform style which is cool. 

 

The same amount of mats in DFUW would probably  take an hour of AFK hitting nodes to gather. 

  tokini

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Joined: 9/03/07
Posts: 345

2/07/13 12:08:36 PM#3
Originally posted by BlackHopper

... that people have for this game is an odd phenomenon.

The old saying "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" comes to mind, but updated to "Hell hath no fury like a guy whos favorite videogame took a direction he was no comfortable with; you'll find him on the forums... every day."

I've never tried DF1, and was looking for a game like Ultima Online. I found DFUW and so far my first impression has been pretty good. Pretty much only one negative experience so far with part of the tutorial that required my buddy to skin a mob we killed, which took about 15 min before it finally succeeded. Other than that sometimes I think the people spewing hate is playing a different game than I am. I've experienced no bugs or crashes.

Now some people say there is a grind in the game, and that might be true depending on how you define grind. Personally I define it as being forced to do an action over and over again, without options doing other things. Basically I define grind as: Being forced to do stuff I don't want ot do.

A bit of playtime yesterday went like this:

Being pretty new to the game I set my guy in wood-chopping-mode while I asked some questions in the chat. I got mostly positive responses from that; but you can't escape the occasional sociopath - they are in every MMO.

When I was done I noticed my mount had been stolen, lol (I actually love you can do that).

Learned my lesson and went to kill zombies to get enough gold to craft a new one. Killed a ton of them, probably 100+. Some of them were tougher than others, and the AI seems different than other MMOs. Went back and crafted a new mount after that.

Then my buddy came online and we rode out into the world. Came across a goblin village which we chose to attack. Killed a bunch of goblins, got some more gold, was almost exploded a few times by goblin shamans (down to <10hp).

At no point did it feel like a grind. The game didn't INSIST that I do something over and over again, it was all my own decisions.

Now in regards to AV as a company I have little experience with them. But I know it is staffed by people. Real people and not robots. People who can be motivated/demotivated. All the hate that is coming in their direction has gotta be demotivating. I hope this doesn't turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy in regards to the game being bad BECAUSE of all the hate.

All I've seen so far is a company trying to make a game, but continually being punished for it, just because its not exactly like DF1. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, and maybe I'll change my mind about the company later. But all the forum warriors spewing hate, day after day, sometimes makes me wonder if they even remember why they are so pissed constantly. If AV made mistakes in the past, move on and allow them to grow.

Being negative all the time is the easy way out. Real men try to see things from the positive, and if that fails, move on.

hi tasos

  TruthXHurts

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Joined: 6/20/10
Posts: 1641

I am here to chew bubblegum and to kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum!

2/07/13 12:09:58 PM#4
Played DFUW, and didn't enjoy it. Felt dumbed down. If I had really given a crap about the game in the first place it would have felt like NGE all over to me. It's something to play I suppose for the WoW kids to run araound and bash eachother. I just subbed to Mortal Online, and besides it's long list of problems I enjoy it much more.

"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"

  BlackHopper

Apprentice Member

Joined: 2/07/13
Posts: 2

 
OP  2/07/13 1:20:09 PM#5
Originally posted by DarkfallFanatic

Well of course you didn't have to grind if you want to raid goblin villages with your buddy and make mounts. But any time you come across another player you WILL get rolled because you have inferior gear and your transfers aren't macro'd to 100, or your sword skill isn't 100, or your dex isn't 150. 

 

I dunno I hope everything changes at launch but as it stands hell 50% of the roles and classes are even missing...

 

I would macro too if it wasn't beta. Hell I would probably play the game for the grind as well. But doing it knowing a wipe will come is simply ridiculous. Makes me sorry for the poor souls farming ore every day which is the most boring thing I have ever done in any MMO. They could be having fun, but instead they choose to not have fun in order to have fun later. 

 

AV logic.

 

for comparison Im currently playing Age of Wushu and it solves most of the grind. Its actually semi fun to farm. For example when you hit ore it takes like 3-4 secs and you get 2-6 a hit. It takes maybe 10 minutes to gather enough to craft with. Furthermore the rare ore locations are sometimes in tricky spots so you have to climb your way up platform style which is cool. 

 

The same amount of mats in DFUW would probably  take an hour of AFK hitting nodes to gather. 

Yeah macroing might be a problem, but its a fixable one. Beta is beta.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not some carebear who never touches pvp. In fact I'm extremely competitive. But, my current objective is just to experience what the game throws at me. I'm not going to gather a lot of resources because of the future wipe.

AV should definately look to solve the macroing problem.

  stux

Advanced Member

Joined: 9/23/09
Posts: 469

2/07/13 1:28:49 PM#6

 

If you can't stand the heat get of the kitchen!

 

In other words, if you can't take critisism, meanly put or not, don't put yourself in a position were you are going to recve it.

 

They can simply ignore the poorly written criticism or not read the feedback at all.  But if they don't succeed they are going to be forced to ask people:

 

Why do you dislike my product?

 

If someone is selling a product  and can't take the answers to that question then how can the succeed when they are failing?

  stux

Advanced Member

Joined: 9/23/09
Posts: 469

2/07/13 1:30:26 PM#7
Originally posted by BlackHopper
Originally posted by DarkfallFanatic

Well of course you didn't have to grind if you want to raid goblin villages with your buddy and make mounts. But any time you come across another player you WILL get rolled because you have inferior gear and your transfers aren't macro'd to 100, or your sword skill isn't 100, or your dex isn't 150. 

 

I dunno I hope everything changes at launch but as it stands hell 50% of the roles and classes are even missing...

 

I would macro too if it wasn't beta. Hell I would probably play the game for the grind as well. But doing it knowing a wipe will come is simply ridiculous. Makes me sorry for the poor souls farming ore every day which is the most boring thing I have ever done in any MMO. They could be having fun, but instead they choose to not have fun in order to have fun later. 

 

AV logic.

 

for comparison Im currently playing Age of Wushu and it solves most of the grind. Its actually semi fun to farm. For example when you hit ore it takes like 3-4 secs and you get 2-6 a hit. It takes maybe 10 minutes to gather enough to craft with. Furthermore the rare ore locations are sometimes in tricky spots so you have to climb your way up platform style which is cool. 

 

The same amount of mats in DFUW would probably  take an hour of AFK hitting nodes to gather. 

Yeah macroing might be a problem, but its a fixable one. Beta is beta.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not some carebear who never touches pvp. In fact I'm extremely competitive. But, my current objective is just to experience what the game throws at me. I'm not going to gather a lot of resources because of the future wipe.

AV should definately look to solve the macroing problem.

AV never learned from the first game.

 

They never got it right until they were shutting the server down.

 

Then they screwed it up again in this game.

  Zoltos

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Joined: 7/21/04
Posts: 48

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2/07/13 1:36:33 PM#8

The game has it´s haters, but alot of the people liking the game aren´t even on the forum. Heck most of the haters are playing the game every day. They just love to troll and rage... If they didn´t like the game why waste so much time on the forums?? Just move on to annother game!

I really enjoy the Beta atm. After they fixed the persistence bug and imrpoved performance it´s really playable. I had 2 great years playing DF 1.0 and Im sure when DFUW releases  it will be good times again.

Aventurine did cause most of the hate against them back in DF 1.0. With lack of comunication and lack of patches/fixes etc. But they have become alot better with the communication and patching. So im hopefull for the future of Darkfall.

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  xzyax

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Joined: 10/02/08
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2/07/13 7:44:12 PM#9
Originally posted by BlackHopper

...

Now in regards to AV as a company I have little experience with them. But I know it is staffed by people. Real people and not robots. People who can be motivated/demotivated. All the hate that is coming in their direction has gotta be demotivating. I hope this doesn't turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy in regards to the game being bad BECAUSE of all the hate.

All I've seen so far is a company trying to make a game, but continually being punished for it, just because its not exactly like DF1. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, and maybe I'll change my mind about the company later. But all the forum warriors spewing hate, day after day, sometimes makes me wonder if they even remember why they are so pissed constantly. If AV made mistakes in the past, move on and allow them to grow.

Being negative all the time is the easy way out. Real men try to see things from the positive, and if that fails, move on.

Your opinion will change... give it a month or two.

 

There are a fair number of us who are not "punishing" AV because DF:UW is not exactly like DF1... it is because they continue to lie and make the exact same mistakes as they did the first time around.

There would be a lot less animosity towards Tasos and Aventurine if they would just simply tell the truth for once.  But, no matter how many times it is said; it seems like players such as yourself have to experience it for yourself... so have at it.

 

Good Luck!  

  Vesavius

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2/07/13 8:03:17 PM#10

This game has always had a culture of hostility and 'hate'... from the toxic enviroment that was 'Forumfall' (this was back then, not sure how it is now...) to the pitched wars here that we saw throughout it's development. It has always attracted the alienated and angry. It dosen't take much to shift someone that games with this worldview into your worst enemy, especially if that person thinks you are 'selling them out' for a broader market.

 

Not saying all players of DF fit this bill, I know they don't, I have met some great ones, but... a lot of them seem to.

  Aragon100

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2/07/13 9:29:37 PM#11
Originally posted by Zoltos

The game has it´s haters, but alot of the people liking the game aren´t even on the forum. Heck most of the haters are playing the game every day. They just love to troll and rage... If they didn´t like the game why waste so much time on the forums?? Just move on to annother game!

I really enjoy the Beta atm. After they fixed the persistence bug and imrpoved performance it´s really playable. I had 2 great years playing DF 1.0 and Im sure when DFUW releases  it will be good times again.

Aventurine did cause most of the hate against them back in DF 1.0. With lack of comunication and lack of patches/fixes etc. But they have become alot better with the communication and patching. So im hopefull for the future of Darkfall.

I like the "vision" of the game and bought DFUW. Lets hope it become better with alot more content. 

And i dont agree with today players claiming some here on this site "hate" without cause. Just accept you dont have the same experience as some of us have.

Aventurine did a poor job with DF1 and let many guilds suffer cause they just didnt care about exploiting/macroing and duping. DF1 was a game for cheaters, exploiters and dupers. Then add a company very close of being corrupt holding hands with these cheaters and you get a game bound for doom. Noone in their right mind continues to compete in a competitive game under such circumstances. This is also my biggest fear with DFUW.

I just dont trust Aventurine after what happened in DF1.

  TigerDriver

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Posts: 47

2/07/13 10:07:44 PM#12
Loving the players trying to talk like they have any clue.

There are more duplicate exploits in dfuw then DF1 ever had going back to df1 beta. The negative vib is from the never ending stream of lies from AV. These guys never learn.
  Ringside

Novice Member

Joined: 9/25/10
Posts: 193

2/08/13 1:32:29 AM#13
I realy liked the way we could heal ourselve in DF with transfers whichbrew ans heal self + potion
 
Ok with the stamina bug this was a little exagerated healing power  but next patch they are nerfing transfers big time and transfers wont give more stats than what they cost .... :(
  zomard100

Apprentice Member

Joined: 11/16/11
Posts: 232

2/08/13 1:36:35 AM#14
Woot? You craft mounts??? How? Are they from flesh or mechanical?  If they are from flesh i don't want to know how you do it :)
  ThaneSolus

Novice Member

Joined: 1/05/05
Posts: 33

Burn the heretic. Kill the mutant. Purge the unclean.

2/08/13 1:37:33 AM#15

its hate and love relation, at least for some of us.

 

We loved the game, but the developers are the most incompetent bunch i saw so far. At some poin in the game they were videos with huge guilds macroing in their cities, they did nothing... The let everybody macro their skills up. And now they come with a pop-a-mole dumb down DF...

  sakkdaddy

Novice Member

Joined: 9/17/07
Posts: 45

2/08/13 7:53:41 AM#16
Originally posted by stux
Originally posted by BlackHopper
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...

AV never learned from the first game.

 

They never got it right until they were shutting the server down.

 

Then they screwed it up again in this game.

 

Yep. Character progression remains highly fucked and they don't even acknowledge the issue. The only way that they can salvage this mess is at minimum, to:

1. Front-load skill gains so that someone with 50% of max skill does ~80% of the damage as someone with maxed skill. This worked well for HP in DF1, and the same approach should be applied for all skills.

2. Remove skill gains from players and mounts. AFK macroing as the end-all-be-all of character progression sucks. If you don't do it, you will get steamrolled by people who do.

3. Fix buggy AI that allows exploitive skill gains on mobs. If mobs can be bugged and skills macro'd up on them, then the people who do it will have huge advantages over people who don't.

 

Just doing #1 makes #2 and #3 less necessary, but all 3 need to be handled.

  wartyxwt

Novice Member

Joined: 4/17/10
Posts: 181

2/08/13 8:00:07 AM#17
Hello, please repost here in 1 months time.
  loveForMmos

Novice Member

Joined: 2/07/13
Posts: 12

2/09/13 5:03:48 AM#18

Some will love it, some will hate it.

 

But i feel like,

 

if you hate it it is better to play another game then to keep on being so negative..

 

just let the people that like it, enjoy it

 

is there anything wrong in a game you do not like?

 

those games will always be there and they make you love the games you like even more

 

so we need games we do not like to exist in order to like other games

 

so please: peace!

 

loveformmos

  Aragon100

Elite Member

Joined: 2/06/08
Posts: 2224

2/09/13 5:08:57 AM#19
Originally posted by loveForMmos

Some will love it, some will hate it.

 

But i feel like,

 

if you hate it it is better to play another game then to keep on being so negative..

 

just let the people that like it, enjoy it

 

is there anything wrong in a game you do not like?

 

those games will always be there and they make you love the games you like even more

 

so we need games we do not like to exist in order to like other games

 

so please: peace!

 

loveformmos

Players need to be informed how developers run this game. You call it hate i call it information.

  marcust

Existentialist

Joined: 12/12/03
Posts: 438

2/09/13 6:49:42 PM#20

If the game continues to attract more people like the OP then it will succeed.

 

There will always be 2 types of people in Darkfall

1. I WANT MY END GAME PVP AND I WANT IT NOW, I want to macro because I dont have time to really play

and

2. People who want a game where there is a risk involved in pve, and has good pvp

 

Most of the noise comes from group 1.

 

 

Playing: Lotro, DOTA2, ESO, Darkfall
Also played and worth mentioning: UO, WoW, Lineage2

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