Originally posted by MadDemon64

From what I saw, the only thing I was disappointed in was the character creation, but then I realized something.

THE GAME IS STILL IN BETA.

As soon as I realized this, I accepted that most of my problems will likely be remedied before the game is released.

What a pipe dream. People say this about every single game that is in beta. From all indication this game is close to release. You are not going to see anything substantial added to it between now and then. The bulk of betas these days are nothing more than hype machines. 

Originally posted by JimmyYO

I only have a passing familiarity with 4E... can you share where you see that influence and clear representation with those that might not know as mch as you?

Well for starters the game has dwarves in it! It also has swords and armor and a place called Neverwinter.  Plus it......well.......hmmm? I got nothing.

You mean besides the class and abilities/spells? That teleport you've seen in the videos is straight out of 4th edition. The Daily abilities is a little modified but again clearly 4th edition. Management and healing is handled the same way. 

I'm not exactly sure what specific examples you are looking for though. 

Why not help me out here and tell me what you feel doesn't represent 4th edition well in Neverwinter and maybe I can help you out. 

I'm not sure why they chose to deviate from D&D so much in creating this game, the rules, mechanics, and lore are virtually laid out for the developers to copy + paste. Yet they go and modify D&D to force it to work with an "action combat" system when D&D is inherently turn based (and TBH, NW  isn't even truly action combat, it's pseudo action-combat from what I can tell). 

Why couldn't have gone hardcore turn-based STRATEGY MMORPG? It would've been something D&D players have ALWAYS wanted, an up-to-date strategy-based MMORPG where you can create turn based encounters and such in the foundry. It would easily allow for the depth of strategy that is D&D, not the shallow gameplay that I've seen thus far.

Don't get me wrong, I love action-combat MMORPGs, but  D&D is definitely not the IP to do it with IMO.

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by JimmyYO

I only have a passing familiarity with 4E... can you share where you see that influence and clear representation with those that might not know as mch as you?

Well for starters the game has dwarves in it! It also has swords and armor and a place called Neverwinter.  Plus it......well.......hmmm? I got nothing.

You mean besides the class and abilities/spells? That teleport you've seen in the videos is straight out of 4th edition. The Daily abilities is a little modified but again clearly 4th edition. Management and healing is handled the same way. 

I'm not exactly sure what specific examples you are looking for though. 

Why not help me out here and tell me what you feel doesn't represent 4th edition well in Neverwinter and maybe I can help you out. 

Wrong, they are pale shadows of 4e, mostly just in name. You don't hack and slash for 20+ rounds per monster for hundreds of damage at low level while mostly autohitting and spaming heals to collect magic items that always drop every dungeon. This is nothing like any form of D&D, stop pretending you know anything about pnp because it's obvious you do not.

What the above sounds like is a tera/wow ripoff which is exactly what this game is and you know what, that's fine. The problem is Cryptic had the audacity to put a D&D name on it, let alone Neverwinter. Fortunately for them this isn't the first time this has happened. All kinds of hell was raised when Turbine stained the world with a pestilence known as DDO, a game which is so terrible many nerds don't even know what that acronym stands for.

Originally posted by Jyiiga

Originally posted by MadDemon64

From what I saw, the only thing I was disappointed in was the character creation, but then I realized something.

THE GAME IS STILL IN BETA.

As soon as I realized this, I accepted that most of my problems will likely be remedied before the game is released.

 

What a pipe dream. People say this about every single game that is in beta. From all indication this game is close to release. You are not going to see anything substantial added to it between now and then. The bulk of betas these days are nothing more than hype machines. 

 They state they are already working on more classes. No they won't be in before release, and there is a question of how long it takes to make a class, but if they are already working on them thats a plus

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If I find the game fun, I'll play it without giving a flying F what ruleset or franchise it belongs to.

That's actually a fact btw...

for a f2p game , looks solid and fun , yeah few classes , but u have paragon paths so u can customize your characters a lot

my main concern is the skills limit , looks limited :S

I was disappointed that during his hour long video Total Biscuit never asked about exploring the world or crafting.

Guess I will have to wait for that info.

Originally posted by JimmyYO

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by JimmyYO

I only have a passing familiarity with 4E... can you share where you see that influence and clear representation with those that might not know as mch as you?

Well for starters the game has dwarves in it! It also has swords and armor and a place called Neverwinter.  Plus it......well.......hmmm? I got nothing.

You mean besides the class and abilities/spells? That teleport you've seen in the videos is straight out of 4th edition. The Daily abilities is a little modified but again clearly 4th edition. Management and healing is handled the same way. 

I'm not exactly sure what specific examples you are looking for though. 

Why not help me out here and tell me what you feel doesn't represent 4th edition well in Neverwinter and maybe I can help you out. 

Wrong, they are pale shadows of 4e, mostly just in name. You don't hack and slash for 20+ rounds per monster for hundreds of damage at low level while mostly autohitting and spaming heals to collect magic items that always drop every dungeon. This is nothing like any form of D&D, stop pretending you know anything about pnp because it's obvious you do not.

What the above sounds like is a tera/wow ripoff which is exactly what this game is and you know what, that's fine. The problem is Cryptic had the audacity to put a D&D name on it, let alone Neverwinter. Fortunately for them this isn't the first time this has happened. All kinds of hell was raised when Turbine stained the world with a pestilence known as DDO, a game which is so terrible many nerds don't even know what that acronym stands for.

 

the game is not a tera and wow rip off, matter of fact the Forgotten realms are far older than either of them its just that the devs working on Neverwinter are avid fans of the forgotten realms. It only makes sense that Cryptic created this game as Zeke and the others are all fans of the Forgotten Realms genre. Frankly your trolling of neverwinter bites of hate and discrimination rather than any true content.  true Cryptic has not had alot of real improvements on STo, but the game is three years old and they have added content. They have not worked on KDF all that much and yes players are up in arms over it. But if you look at the STO page and do your checking they have a massive conent update planned for May 2013. It screams a possible romulan based faction.

Now This Audacity you speak of is rediculous. They garnered Wiards of the Coasts support and even consulted with WotC in the developement of the game. I dont see why you are so intent on slamming a game you havent even played yet. Its not a wow clone.. if anything Blizzard got many of thier ideas for Warcraft  from D&D, thats pretty common knowledge. so which is the clone? sure Blizzard developed WoW back in 2004 and Neverwinter is being released hopefully this year.

However Neverwinter is in its own right a game on its own. its not open world, its instanced. its not spam the same button over and over.. its more indepth than that. Its not tab targetting, you actually have to pay attention. yes itll have a cash shop.. but thats how games are coming along nowadays. Will it be P2W? probably not considering what was said in the different press beta events ive watched. but that is subject to change. as are most things about any game.

Comparing Neverwinter to WoW is comical at bst as they are worlds and years apart in story developement. The devs stated ardently that neverwinter will remain true to the Forgotten Realms lore, so we can expect full rich story conent. The devs stated more classes are coming including an archer class.. should be interesting. The foundry alone will make the game unique in that it directly affects the instancing daily.

As for hacking and slashing for 20+ rounds.. its an MMORPG arent you being a little too critical? its not a turn based game.

Originally posted by Ghern

I was disappointed that during his hour long video Total Biscuit never asked about exploring the world or crafting.

Guess I will have to wait for that info.

the world is instanced kinda like STO, not sure how much Worldy exploration will be available, as for crafting Zeke stated in several videos that that information will be released in coming weeks.. hopefully that is true.. they did say it would be a "Unique Crafting System" whatever that mans....

Originally posted by BillMurphy

Originally posted by Woopin

Originally posted by Warley

Originally posted by JimmyYO
Yes but even now you are shying away from saying anything you disliked about the game even though you just playtested it. I'd be interested in hearing from you the 3 biggest pros AND cons you noticed after playing the game. I'm not asking for a conclusive review just both sides of the coin.

He probably won't answer you or will be very brief and give a canned response since MMORPG.com will be relying on ad revenue when the game gets to that point.  It's just the nature of the business world and the current way our society works.

I doubt it is a case of that. Remember he did a PREVIEW not a REVIEW these two things are looked upon in a different manner. Previews are just that they preview it for others to see and judge for themsevles seen as the build is so early almost everything can change. This is why Preview rarely have any negatives put on them. I am sure once release is here then a full review will be done with the pro's and con's.

PROS: Combat, Character Creation, God that lovely, deep UI.

CONS: Limited classes, not sure I like the "pets/companions" being combat allies, stability (it crashed and voip was not stable).

All of those Suzie and I mentioned in different articles today as well.

Worries for the future? What is there to do at the cap? How deep and well-used will the Foundry be? How long will we wait for new classes, and races? What will monetization be?

That said, it's still a fun game. Plainly, and simply. And it won't stop being fun even if my cons aren't addressed.  It'll be flawed, but still fun.

One thing I wish I didn't have to keep repeating on these forums and in articles? The community staff and the editorial staff, BOTH have nothing to do with advertising at all.  The owners of the site handle all of that.  We make a concerted effort to keep it separate so we can be honest with our takes on games.  Everyone forgets the time Earthrise came out and we had a review blasting its poor craftsmanship, right alongside full-page ads. Our owners defended us and our write to voice our opinions when the marketing team from Earthrise went to them complaining.

Advertising and the people buying ads are the least of my worries.  They're the owners' headache, not mine.  I'm far more concerned with giving you open honest feedback on games.

Bill IMO you doing a great job, but continue to have fun doing your job.  We are all adults here if anyone have some doubt about a game don't buy it  just that simple.  You can't blame Bill and company.

I value MMORPG.com 's opinions. But they are opinions. That is it. One person's opinion will be entirely different from someone else. 

I don't let reviews or previews prevent me from getting a game BECAUSE opinions may differ. Nothing is fact when it comes to video game reviews or previews. Even bugs, not every person will experience a bug as many others might. 

tt also seems that most of the people posting in this thread or about the game in general know nothing of the game. People saying how they wont buy a game if its not f2p, when the game has been announced as a free to play games for almost a year or more now. Not every game is for every gamer. There are a ton of people out there who loved City of Heroes, who loved Champions, who loved Stark Trek Online. There are just as many who did not. 

I myself like every game Cryptic has made. 

With that said ...

Yes the game will only launch wiht 5 classes and 2 of which are both fighters. It is possible they might get other classes out before launch but I doubt it. It is however  neverwinter (NOT NEVERWINTER NIGHTS). While the nwn games were based off the d20 system and had a lot of dnd like mechanics the game was still not a true dnd game. It became even more so in nwn2. 

Im not happy that Neverwinter doesn't have my favorite classes, nor are the classes open ended like a dnd game. Sure I don't like it but that isn't what the game is really about. The game is based on combat. Where other dnd games were not solely about combat. This game is. 

My biggest issue with the game currently which I have said in other posts on this site is that Cleric is not a true cleric. They arent using heavy armor and dont have a mace and shield like a true cleric shield. Instead they are a ranged class. But I know with how they are doing things that they will have more classes later. Several fighters , several clerics, several rogues, and several wizards. They will also most likely get rangers, barbarians, monks, sorcerrors, bards, and druids at some point. Maybe more unique stuff like Prestige Classes. There are endless possiblities with how the game is being developed.

The game has open zones but a DND game is about delving into dungeons and that is exactly what Neverwinter is all about. 

As for the foundry. The other cryptic games have great content generates and they have only had time to learn and improve their engine and their process. This game will be a great game in MY OPINION. But thats MY opinion. 

Originally posted by Akumawraith

Originally posted by Ghern

I was disappointed that during his hour long video Total Biscuit never asked about exploring the world or crafting.

Guess I will have to wait for that info.

the world is instanced kinda like STO, not sure how much Worldy exploration will be available, as for crafting Zeke stated in several videos that that information will be released in coming weeks.. hopefully that is true.. they did say it would be a "Unique Crafting System" whatever that mans....

I never played STO.

When people said instanced I assumed that meant zoned off areas where it was not an entire open world.

Do you mean you sit in one town and just portal to an instance some where?

If that is the case I will be sorely disappointed.

That reminds me of sitting in Stormwind and just queuing for LFD?

Very boring in my opinion.

I'm confused as to why the majority of people are so upset that there are only five classes on launch considering what little to no experience anyone has with the ones Cryptic is going with. Considering most games of this type-Vindictus, Dragon's Nest, etc, etc, started out with less and were no where near as ambitious...

Pets aka Companions on the other hand is something I can't say I'm fond of but I have nothing to lose besides time trying it out.

Originally posted by Ghern

Originally posted by Akumawraith

Originally posted by Ghern

I was disappointed that during his hour long video Total Biscuit never asked about exploring the world or crafting.

Guess I will have to wait for that info.

the world is instanced kinda like STO, not sure how much Worldy exploration will be available, as for crafting Zeke stated in several videos that that information will be released in coming weeks.. hopefully that is true.. they did say it would be a "Unique Crafting System" whatever that mans....

I never played STO.

When people said instanced I assumed that meant zoned off areas where it was not an entire open world.

Do you mean you sit in one town and just portal to an instance some where?

If that is the case I will be sorely disappointed.

That reminds me of sitting in Stormwind and just queuing for LFD?

Very boring in my opinion.

Im not going to say something that may or may not be true but as for STO you have zones you can explore but when going to another zone you get a loading screen, when you enter a mission you get loading screens.. it actually creates an instance unique to you.

the game is not a tera and wow rip off, matter of fact the Forgotten realms are far older than either of them its just that the devs working on Neverwinter are avid fans of the forgotten realms. It only makes sense that Cryptic created this game as Zeke and the others are all fans of the Forgotten Realms genre. Frankly your trolling of neverwinter bites of hate and discrimination rather than any true content.  true Cryptic has not had alot of real improvements on STo, but the game is three years old and they have added content. They have not worked on KDF all that much and yes players are up in arms over it. But if you look at the STO page and do your checking they have a massive conent update planned for May 2013. It screams a possible romulan based faction.

Now This Audacity you speak of is rediculous. They garnered Wiards of the Coasts support and even consulted with WotC in the developement of the game. I dont see why you are so intent on slamming a game you havent even played yet. Its not a wow clone.. if anything Blizzard got many of thier ideas for Warcraft  from D&D, thats pretty common knowledge. so which is the clone? sure Blizzard developed WoW back in 2004 and Neverwinter is being released hopefully this year.

However Neverwinter is in its own right a game on its own. its not open world, its instanced. its not spam the same button over and over.. its more indepth than that. Its not tab targetting, you actually have to pay attention. yes itll have a cash shop.. but thats how games are coming along nowadays. Will it be P2W? probably not considering what was said in the different press beta events ive watched. but that is subject to change. as are most things about any game.

Comparing Neverwinter to WoW is comical at bst as they are worlds and years apart in story developement. The devs stated ardently that neverwinter will remain true to the Forgotten Realms lore, so we can expect full rich story conent. The devs stated more classes are coming including an archer class.. should be interesting. The foundry alone will make the game unique in that it directly affects the instancing daily.

As for hacking and slashing for 20+ rounds.. its an MMORPG arent you being a little too critical? its not a turn based game.

?????????? rofl

Ahem, ok moving on......

Look guys don't take my word for it. Plenty of people streaming the game right now.

http://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Neverwinter

Feel free to tell me how unique and unfamiliar the game is after watching a couple hours. And feel free to take note of the deep D&D feel this game has. Have a gander^^

Originally posted by Akumawraith

Originally posted by Ghern

Originally posted by Akumawraith

Originally posted by Ghern

I was disappointed that during his hour long video Total Biscuit never asked about exploring the world or crafting.

Guess I will have to wait for that info.

the world is instanced kinda like STO, not sure how much Worldy exploration will be available, as for crafting Zeke stated in several videos that that information will be released in coming weeks.. hopefully that is true.. they did say it would be a "Unique Crafting System" whatever that mans....

I never played STO.

When people said instanced I assumed that meant zoned off areas where it was not an entire open world.

Do you mean you sit in one town and just portal to an instance some where?

If that is the case I will be sorely disappointed.

That reminds me of sitting in Stormwind and just queuing for LFD?

Very boring in my opinion.

Im not going to say something that may or may not be true but as for STO you have zones you can explore but when going to another zone you get a loading screen, when you enter a mission you get loading screens.. it actually creates an instance unique to you.

Hmmm. Ok, thanks for the info.

I will keep an open mind and give it a try.