Originally posted by CeTheGreat
I just don't get what the problem is I guess. If we all enjoy wwiiol than why is it such a big deal to drop $30 a month? If it saves/improves the game, what's the problem here? I'm sure we all waste $30 on pointless crap anyway. I know I do. If me not eating chillies for lunch one day a week helps wwiiol, I'm down with that.

One problem is that unsubbing is the only way to tell CRS that you are not a happy customer.

Originally posted by hoober

Originally posted by CeTheGreat
I just don't get what the problem is I guess. If we all enjoy wwiiol than why is it such a big deal to drop $30 a month? If it saves/improves the game, what's the problem here? I'm sure we all waste $30 on pointless crap anyway. I know I do. If me not eating chillies for lunch one day a week helps wwiiol, I'm down with that.

One problem is that unsubbing is the only way to tell CRS that you are not a happy customer.

I'm not sure it is. Or at least I think there are ways groups of players/squads could demonstrate their unhappiness whilst retaining their willingness to engage in positive discussion.

Collective discussions might have been a better approach than ragequitting and heading off to a neutral forum to cry like angst-ridden teenagers

Originally posted by Silky303

Originally posted by hoober

Originally posted by CeTheGreat
I just don't get what the problem is I guess. If we all enjoy wwiiol than why is it such a big deal to drop $30 a month? If it saves/improves the game, what's the problem here? I'm sure we all waste $30 on pointless crap anyway. I know I do. If me not eating chillies for lunch one day a week helps wwiiol, I'm down with that.

One problem is that unsubbing is the only way to tell CRS that you are not a happy customer.

I'm not sure it is. Or at least I think there are ways groups of players/squads could demonstrate their unhappiness whilst retaining their willingness to engage in positive discussion.

Collective discussions might have been a better approach than ragequitting and heading off to a neutral forum to cry like angst-ridden teenagers

The players have been trying for YEARS to get CRS to listen.  I for one will be breaking open a bottle a scotch and toasting the day when CRS goes under, and that day seems to be fast approaching.

Too little too late CRS. You failed your players big time.

Edit:

"Loved" the game, DESPISED certain CRS staff.

Originally posted by CeTheGreat
I just don't get what the problem is I guess. If we all enjoy wwiiol than why is it such a big deal to drop $30 a month? If it saves/improves the game, what's the problem here? I'm sure we all waste $30 on pointless crap anyway. I know I do. If me not eating chillies for lunch one day a week helps wwiiol, I'm down with that.

I whole heartily agree. If you are not perpared to pay $360 a year for this game then you must be pretty selfish. $360 is pocket change to everyone anyway

Originally posted by Silky303
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Wanna know what I think of a grown man that moderates a dying games forum like the kestapo? Out of respect for this wonderful venue and mmopg.com I will refrain from giving an answer. 

Be happy with the game you have. It will live on with less and less players, no further content and even the same bad ideas to put a sparkle in the eye of the last fanboi.   However, here in the outside world, people that dont quite like the flavor of the kool aid will be waiting to take your ball away when you come skipping out of your "happy place"  :)

Originally posted by CeTheGreat
I just don't get what the problem is I guess. If we all enjoy wwiiol than why is it such a big deal to drop $30 a month? If it saves/improves the game, what's the problem here? I'm sure we all waste $30 on pointless crap anyway. I know I do. If me not eating chillies for lunch one day a week helps wwiiol, I'm down with that.

Well one, it's an extra $30 you waste per month heh.  But for me at least the $12 (at the time) was more of a reason I wasn't a casual player anymore.  It wasn't the money that made me stop, but with AO's and the lower pops I was constantly logging in and not finding the combat I wanted.  With two AO's up, chances were one was in the middle of a three hour camp/supply grind and the other had like 10 players. So I got tired of logging in to find nothing good, then with logging in less I got thinking what am I paying $12 for. 

The killer then is, if you want to log in for another try, or just to see what's going on, it's the whole resubbing thing.  The F2P came way to late to stop more people doing a full uninstall which makes it even that much harder to bring them back.  An earlier F2P model would have kept the pop up with way more casual players keeping WWIIOL installed for the occasional visit.

The other issue, hard to say it will improve the game when time after time CRS kept adding stuff that didn't improve the game.  Adding the God view (mini map with radar) into a 'sim' as they liked to call it.  Improvements is a subjective opinion.

Originally posted by CeTheGreat
I just don't get what the problem is I guess. If we all enjoy wwiiol than why is it such a big deal to drop $30 a month? If it saves/improves the game, what's the problem here? I'm sure we all waste $30 on pointless crap anyway. I know I do. If me not eating chillies for lunch one day a week helps wwiiol, I'm down with that.

 I don't get this change of heart in you CE.  When you were banned with your CE account,  hell had no fury then you being scorn.  You had a major meltdown along with the majority of your squad.  The flaming / bad mouthing that ensued after that is off the chart  in comparison to what mildly goes on here.  The "hollier than thou" attitude you display in these forums are hypocritcal at best.  I personally believe the change of heart you have toward CRS is the unbanning of your CE persona.  Mind you I did not agree when you were banned then and do not now....

-Rig

Originally posted by OtotheJ

Originally posted by Silky303
[mod edit]

Wanna know what I think of a grown man that moderates a dying games forum like the kestapo? Out of respect for this wonderful venue and mmopg.com I will refrain from giving an answer. 

Be happy with the game you have. It will live on with less and less players, no further content and even the same bad ideas to put a sparkle in the eye of the last fanboi.   However, here in the outside world, people that dont quite like the flavor of the kool aid will be waiting to take your ball away when you come skipping out of your "happy place"  :)

 

Dear Lord, cry more why don't you. I don't think this forum has seen quite enough of the 'Waaaah they took my fun away, I used to be a Mega Ultra Pwnzor until they spoiled my fun' attitude that makes you a laughing stock elsewhere

Like I said, grown men shouldn't be acting like this. It's pathetic.

The game changed, decisions were made you didn't like. That's life.

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Originally posted by Tontoman

It wasn't the money that made me stop, but with AO's and the lower pops I was constantly logging in and not finding the combat I wanted. With two AO's up, chances were one was in the middle of a three hour camp/supply grind and the other had like 10 players. So I got tired of logging in to find nothing good, then with logging in less I got thinking what am I paying $12 for.

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Yeah after I started to understand the game I spent most of my time in a truck, armored car, or as infantry so I'd definitely be fine with paying $9.99/month and just missing out on a few pieces of top equipment. The problem was that I'd log on, see nothing going on, 1-3 HC struggling to put something together(not their fault, game mechanics suck) and after playing a bit I'd log off.

You cannot just say "I will drive/walk a spawn point to town and get a battle started." Unless the defenders don't spawn in it takes several dedicated players constantly setting FRUs to town just to keep a battle going and some kind of entertainment on the server; to actually take a town you need to wait for someone's high command to screw-up, drain several brigades of equipment or get very lucky.

So process of starting a battle is extremely difficult. I really don't want this to be a side vs side thing but in their efforts to build up the allied team, CRS tailored the game to favor armor rushes and big camps by armor. To keep the allied "US prime" players happy CRS has made it hard to get any action going in the other lower-populated time zones. To keep the allied side from getting rolled by KGW/ASA squad operations they have a ridiculous amount of spawn delay and refuse to change the brigade-warping system.

With some good leaders and a change in tactics we kept competitive in TZ3(FRUs, forward bases, set warpables to town instead of going for the spawns), but as anyone can see from the Antwerp fiasco CRS simply isn't going to allow others to piss off the US prime section of the player base. You can debate whether or not this is a good business decision(losing less subscriptions versus a lot of allied US PT player subscriptions) but it's the current policy.

So if you play in another time zone, don't tank or don't have lots of tanks to play with, or you just play once or twice a week when everyone does big scheduled operations then the game sucks for you.

Originally posted by david06

 

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Originally posted by Tontoman

 

It wasn't the money that made me stop, but with AO's and the lower pops I was constantly logging in and not finding the combat I wanted. With two AO's up, chances were one was in the middle of a three hour camp/supply grind and the other had like 10 players. So I got tired of logging in to find nothing good, then with logging in less I got thinking what am I paying $12 for.

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Yeah after I started to understand the game I spent most of my time in a truck, armored car, or as infantry so I'd definitely be fine with paying $9.99/month and just missing out on a few pieces of top equipment. The problem was that I'd log on, see nothing going on, 1-3 HC struggling to put something together(not their fault, game mechanics suck) and after playing a bit I'd log off.

You cannot just say "I will drive/walk a spawn point to town and get a battle started." Unless the defenders don't spawn in it takes several dedicated players constantly setting FRUs to town just to keep a battle going and some kind of entertainment on the server; to actually take a town you need to wait for someone's high command to screw-up, drain several brigades of equipment or get very lucky.

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Unless the rules have changed, can you even cap if HC hasn't AO'ed the city?  Been a long while. So can you even get something started if HC hasn't AOed it?

That's was the big killer, at least before while HC worked stuff out (or hell just rebuilding supply) you could go out with a small team and kick the waspnest by capping something in a town.  Or basically do whatever with your squad.  Sometimes those small things ended up being big battles as folks saw the notices and spawned in heh.   And having small battles along with the big ones are what kept it fresh.  Knowing you're going to have to grind through brigades worth of supply every time...ug.  Failed attacks resulting in low supply and then knowing a counter was coming were some of the best stuff.  No camping, presetup defense, just way short of supply.

Originally posted by Silky303

Originally posted by OtotheJ

Originally posted by Silky303
[mod edit]

Wanna know what I think of a grown man that moderates a dying games forum like the kestapo? Out of respect for this wonderful venue and mmopg.com I will refrain from giving an answer. 

Be happy with the game you have. It will live on with less and less players, no further content and even the same bad ideas to put a sparkle in the eye of the last fanboi.   However, here in the outside world, people that dont quite like the flavor of the kool aid will be waiting to take your ball away when you come skipping out of your "happy place"  :)

 

Dear Lord, cry more why don't you. I don't think this forum has seen quite enough of the 'Waaaah they took my fun away, I used to be a Mega Ultra Pwnzor until they spoiled my fun' attitude that makes you a laughing stock elsewhere

Like I said, grown men shouldn't be acting like this. It's pathetic.

The game changed, decisions were made you didn't like. That's life.

I understand that you are upset not being able to moderate this forum to "fanboi mode" only posts.  To have all these shocking negative comments actually viewable must really get under your skin.  As a grown man that makes me LOL

Mr big hero game forum moderator, in reality, you have done more damage chasing players away because they werent aloud to voice their opinion.  Those opinions you edited out for years held the keys to showing you what players actually want from the game.  This mega ultra pwnzor clown show actually brought and kept many players subscribed to this game by ...gasp.... playing it :)

Originally posted by Silky303

Originally posted by hoober

Originally posted by CeTheGreat
I just don't get what the problem is I guess. If we all enjoy wwiiol than why is it such a big deal to drop $30 a month? If it saves/improves the game, what's the problem here? I'm sure we all waste $30 on pointless crap anyway. I know I do. If me not eating chillies for lunch one day a week helps wwiiol, I'm down with that.

One problem is that unsubbing is the only way to tell CRS that you are not a happy customer.

I'm not sure it is. Or at least I think there are ways groups of players/squads could demonstrate their unhappiness whilst retaining their willingness to engage in positive discussion.

Collective discussions might have been a better approach than ragequitting and heading off to a neutral forum to cry like angst-ridden teenagers

Um, just to point out some logic.

- If you're going have a positive/constructive discussion on something, a NEUTRAL forum actually is something you want.  For reasons I hope are pretty obvious.  It's the reason they move trials if they think it won't get a fair hearing in certain areas. 

Originally posted by Silky303
Actually it’s quite liberating to post freely here without any mod constraints

OJ – moderating Barracks gives me no pleasure, it’s a chore to have to wade through the steady tide of complaining whinebacks like yourself continue spreading. I understand you’re upset the game has changed, but come on man – it’s FIVE YEARS ago. Five years ago nobody knew who Obama was, nobody doubted Lance Armstrong, nobody had ever heard of Mali. You can’t keep banging on about the way things were and every opportunity. There’s no ego trip in it for me, and you’ll actually find I’m one of the only mods who will leave a reason for a closure and try and PM the thread starter to try and close any discussion without too much ill feeling, as perhaps Dcoy might testify.

Also, I love the myth that is obviously taking hold here that the forums are moderated to silence genuine, considered posts asking in reasonable terms for discussion about game development - this presentation is absolutely false. As someone who sees most of the moderated posts, I can happily report for the record that the vast majority of threads that are moved and closed are done so because the content is biased, argumentative, antagonistic or outright offensive. Do not be fooled, don’t buy into the misleading image that’s being peddled here.

And Ginzo, if you go back through my posting history here you’ll see I don’t counter criticism of the game, quite the reverse – I’ll happily say decisions have been made that I don’t think were ideal and that the game may never realise the heights it promise. There are aspects I’d change and there are improvements that should have been made many moons ago to address player concerns. My main gripe here is the disaffected pool of ex-playing whinebacks who want to do nothing but celebrate the struggles of the game and dominate all discussions with negativity. Personally, I think that obsession is unhealthy and pretty sad and I think the negativity is as tedious as it is unnecessarily harsh with regard to new or potential players who might come across this forum.

Can you fill us in on the official line CRS gives to GM's concerning:

- Subscription prices

- Antwerp/Aarchost server resets

- The failure of Rapid Assault

Any topics about the following seem to get closed and deleted very quickly...

Originally posted by BodkinBarber

Originally posted by Silky303
Actually it’s quite liberating to post freely here without any mod constraints

OJ – moderating Barracks gives me no pleasure, it’s a chore to have to wade through the steady tide of complaining whinebacks like yourself continue spreading. I understand you’re upset the game has changed, but come on man – it’s FIVE YEARS ago. Five years ago nobody knew who Obama was, nobody doubted Lance Armstrong, nobody had ever heard of Mali. You can’t keep banging on about the way things were and every opportunity. There’s no ego trip in it for me, and you’ll actually find I’m one of the only mods who will leave a reason for a closure and try and PM the thread starter to try and close any discussion without too much ill feeling, as perhaps Dcoy might testify.

Also, I love the myth that is obviously taking hold here that the forums are moderated to silence genuine, considered posts asking in reasonable terms for discussion about game development - this presentation is absolutely false. As someone who sees most of the moderated posts, I can happily report for the record that the vast majority of threads that are moved and closed are done so because the content is biased, argumentative, antagonistic or outright offensive. Do not be fooled, don’t buy into the misleading image that’s being peddled here.

And Ginzo, if you go back through my posting history here you’ll see I don’t counter criticism of the game, quite the reverse – I’ll happily say decisions have been made that I don’t think were ideal and that the game may never realise the heights it promise. There are aspects I’d change and there are improvements that should have been made many moons ago to address player concerns. My main gripe here is the disaffected pool of ex-playing whinebacks who want to do nothing but celebrate the struggles of the game and dominate all discussions with negativity. Personally, I think that obsession is unhealthy and pretty sad and I think the negativity is as tedious as it is unnecessarily harsh with regard to new or potential players who might come across this forum.

Can you fill us in on the official line CRS gives to GM's concerning:

- Subscription prices

- Antwerp/Aarchost server resets

- The failure of Rapid Assault

 

Any topics about the following seem to get closed and deleted very quickly...

Just because he is a moderator does not mean he is privy to every bit of CRS information that they decide on.  

BTW Silky, 5 years ago people knew who Barrack Obama was.    

But I agree with the overall OP statement, I am not mad at WWIIOL, but I am disappointed in CRS.    The game launched 11 years, and 8 months ago, almost to the day.   And the game had so much promise,  but like many games that followed CRS's WWII Online aka WWII Offline, the game promised the world and failed to deliver a deserted island.   

I think games like WWII Online paved the way for so many indie game companies that mad huge claims and often set unrealistic goals for themselves and then attempt to sell a half completed product as a completed product and try and push the often broken and incomplete product out on its customers.   

CRS isnt much better than a shady used car salesman.   They know the car is a lemon, they know it wont make it around the block, but they will sell this POS for all its worth.   Instead of investing time and effort in fixing it and making it all it can be they cut corners, make more bad decisions and then utlimately duck away from any real trouble.      Only in the world of online gaming can a company put out an incomplete product and sell it to its customers and not be liable for shoddy work.    In anyother buisness, even prostitution, you would be held responsible for your product, and at worst liable for legal action.   

Dont believe me ask Ford how that Pinto worked out for them.