Originally posted by Bladestrom

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by dimnikar

I haven't read through this entire thread, but just wanted to say how unhealthy is to be in a guild that actually deals with these sorts of questions.

While it's true -  that mom should find a more casual guild - no question, but you all need to take it less seriously as well.

If anything, your relationship qirh your guild mate (the mom) should come before the raid schedule.

I think you aren't thinking of this in the right context.

this doesn't seem to be a social family guild where people say "it's ok, we'll get 'er next time..."

It seems like it's a competitive guild.

I've seen competitive amateur sports teams as well as casual friendly teams. Each one has a differebnt set of goals in mind.

I think the responsibility should be up to the person joining. I don't join competitive guilds because I don't want to commit the time and would rather be in a laid back guild where people are just having fun. I can easily see why people join competitive guilds, just like they join competitive sports teams or do anything that has a lot of competition.

I see nothing wrong with people being dedicated competitive players even though it's not my thing.

I totally think the guild should build itself the way it wants.  However, what was the OPs "hardcore" guild doing recruiting non-hardcore players in the first place?

It sounds like they either billed themselves as something they're not or decided to change focus after establishing themselves.  The responsiblity is shared.  It's the guilds job to filter and vette recruits.  It's a players respnsibility to know what guild they're getting into and be honest.  Any hardcore guild is going to have a site page with an application, interviews, and test runs.  If this guild isn't doing that then they're a bunch of rookies that don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

I'm just saying think about the situation they're in for a bit and that they bill themselves as hardcore.  How the hell do they get into the situation.  I think they certainly shoulder a lot of the blame for being so stupid and letting the problem arise in the first place.  On top of that the title and premise is childish and immature.  As previously pointed out, the gender is irrelevant.

I'm going to go with the poster way above that credits this as a really expert troll thread.

Oh cmon we all know the deal here, a guild advertised as being hardcore, which means x number of nights focused raiding.  The Dad/Mom fills in the application and agrees to the ethe stipulations and that they can commit 100% to the raids, then through family commitments they cant.  Its the player's fault for going for a hardcore guild when they have other commitments.

We all know that?  How is it that we know that?  If you make the claim then back it up.  But you're just making stuff up to support your point.  Don't do that.

Have you ever even been a member of a hardcore guild, either pvp or raiding?  The situation you describe is how rookies and kids that want to bill themselves as hardcore do things.  I don't have a lot of compassion for rookies that pose as hardcore.

A hardcore guild that is professional will interview and vette their applicants.  It's not just dads and moms that want into successful hardcore guilds, it's everyone that wants to succeed and be top at raiding.  That is why you test them before you accept them.  If someone doesn't live by the rules of the guild they're booted or not allowed to raid with the guild no questions asked.

This is why we can be pretty sure that the OP guild is just a wannabe guild, because if they were really pro hardcore this wouldn't even be a question and he wouldn't have had to ask this question.

Sorry my boyfriend who i love to death cant cook but he tries really hard. At the 3 year point in the relationship, we have come to the conclusion of. If i dont think i can digest it i wont eat it.

Its a good understanding.

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Bladestrom

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by dimnikar

I haven't read through this entire thread, but just wanted to say how unhealthy is to be in a guild that actually deals with these sorts of questions.

While it's true -  that mom should find a more casual guild - no question, but you all need to take it less seriously as well.

If anything, your relationship qirh your guild mate (the mom) should come before the raid schedule.

I think you aren't thinking of this in the right context.

this doesn't seem to be a social family guild where people say "it's ok, we'll get 'er next time..."

It seems like it's a competitive guild.

I've seen competitive amateur sports teams as well as casual friendly teams. Each one has a differebnt set of goals in mind.

I think the responsibility should be up to the person joining. I don't join competitive guilds because I don't want to commit the time and would rather be in a laid back guild where people are just having fun. I can easily see why people join competitive guilds, just like they join competitive sports teams or do anything that has a lot of competition.

I see nothing wrong with people being dedicated competitive players even though it's not my thing.

I totally think the guild should build itself the way it wants.  However, what was the OPs "hardcore" guild doing recruiting non-hardcore players in the first place?

It sounds like they either billed themselves as something they're not or decided to change focus after establishing themselves.  The responsiblity is shared.  It's the guilds job to filter and vette recruits.  It's a players respnsibility to know what guild they're getting into and be honest.  Any hardcore guild is going to have a site page with an application, interviews, and test runs.  If this guild isn't doing that then they're a bunch of rookies that don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

I'm just saying think about the situation they're in for a bit and that they bill themselves as hardcore.  How the hell do they get into the situation.  I think they certainly shoulder a lot of the blame for being so stupid and letting the problem arise in the first place.  On top of that the title and premise is childish and immature.  As previously pointed out, the gender is irrelevant.

I'm going to go with the poster way above that credits this as a really expert troll thread.

Oh cmon we all know the deal here, a guild advertised as being hardcore, which means x number of nights focused raiding.  The Dad/Mom fills in the application and agrees to the ethe stipulations and that they can commit 100% to the raids, then through family commitments they cant.  Its the player's fault for going for a hardcore guild when they have other commitments.

We all know that?  How is it that we know that?  If you make the claim then back it up.  But you're just making stuff up to support your point.  Don't do that.

Have you ever even been a member of a hardcore guild, either pvp or raiding?  The situation you describe is how rookies and kids that want to bill themselves as hardcore do things.  I don't have a lot of compassion for rookies that pose as hardcore.

A hardcore guild that is professional will interview and vette their applicants.  It's not just dads and moms that want into successful hardcore guilds, it's everyone that wants to succeed and be top at raiding.  That is why you test them before you accept them.  If someone doesn't live by the rules of the guild they're booted or not allowed to raid with the guild no questions asked.

This is why we can be pretty sure that the OP guild is just a wannabe guild, because if they were really pro hardcore this wouldn't even be a question and he wouldn't have had to ask this question.

yep i spent several years in world top 50 raiding guilds.  Its easy to check look at hte application forms for the guilds.