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  SBFord

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OP  2/06/13 10:47:46 AM#1

A new developer blog has cropped up on the Camelot Unchained site. Entitled "Be Careful What You Wish For", Mark Jacobs discusses the road he and his team traveled as they began to consider making an MMO. 

Well, quite a while ago a friend of mine and I were discussing what kind of games could succeed in Asia. He gave me some tips and I filed those away for future use. Many months later I remembered one of those tips, the one that had been especially important to me throughout my career, use dragons! One of my first online games was, of course, Dragon’s Gate and I still wear the same dragon charm that I have worn for over 20 years. Putting dragons into a game is hardly new. However, what if our world’s dragons were a mere reflection of what these beings are in their own reality? In addition, what if in their dimension their technology is what we call magic? Then, what if a cataclysmic event pierced the walls (Veil) and the power from that dimension flooded our world – a world with no magic, wizards, and dragons? Moreover, what if that power brought these legends and stories, dreams and nightmares, to life all at once? How would the world be changed? Would it even survive? This shattered world is the backdrop for what comes next.

Read the full post on the Camelot Unchained site. Also be sure to head to our forums and see what else Mark Jacobs has to say. He came by for a visit!

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  Ilaya

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2/06/13 11:05:00 AM#2

So...

 

No DaoC 2 then. It could have been so simple Mark, so simple.

 

But if you decide to go another way, then without me and a lot of Friends.

Your MMO will then just be "another MMO" out there in the Massive MMO Soup pot.

 

And you said to us that you have learned from what happend. So i ask myself what you have learned. For me when i read that, you have learned NOT to listen to the community. They have only one single wish, just one; Make the fucking DaoC 2.

 

Nothing more nothing less. And instead of pick that up (you would sink in money on Kickstarter with that) you go and give us "just" 3 Realm PvP, cut off the whole PvE Part and thats it?

 

Sry, i dont see "all the Old Vets" running to you. Some, sure, because they are still searching. They are unsure about what TESO will give us/them. But sry, 3 Realm RvR is just not enough. Period.

 

Anyways....good luck with your "Dragon Magic" whatnot World. It will be just 1 of 10000, nothing special.

 
  Ice-Queen

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2/06/13 11:05:50 AM#3

Thanks for more Camelot Unchained info. I signed up on the mailing list. Look forward to hearing more over the next few years until it's finished.

What happens when you log off your characters????.....
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  vkejai

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2/06/13 12:21:19 PM#4
Have to agree with Ilaya
  rimaxo14

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2/06/13 12:25:41 PM#5
Oh man!! This truly excites me!

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  rawfox

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2/06/13 12:30:41 PM#6

Age of Camelot Unchained ?

 

Why do redundancy needs to start at the title already ?

Do we have Conans here maybe ?

So, who is in charge for that crap this time ?

 

Let me guess, its a game were you can raid a horse and swing a sword ?

 

  rimaxo14

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2/06/13 12:32:43 PM#7
damn whose cranky today....

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  bstar666

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2/06/13 1:23:43 PM#8

If you want to make a game for the asian market, do that. But i don´t think, that the US/eu Market is going to like that.

 

Oh,... and don´t forget to put big boobs and a short skirts on the dragons.

  rwyan

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Joined: 7/24/03
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2/06/13 1:38:26 PM#9
Originally posted by Ilaya

So...

 

No DaoC 2 then. It could have been so simple Mark, so simple.

 

But if you decide to go another way, then without me and a lot of Friends.

Your MMO will then just be "another MMO" out there in the Massive MMO Soup pot.

 

And you said to us that you have learned from what happend. So i ask myself what you have learned. For me when i read that, you have learned NOT to listen to the community. They have only one single wish, just one; Make the fucking DaoC 2.

 

Nothing more nothing less. And instead of pick that up (you would sink in money on Kickstarter with that) you go and give us "just" 3 Realm PvP, cut off the whole PvE Part and thats it?

 

Sry, i dont see "all the Old Vets" running to you. Some, sure, because they are still searching. They are unsure about what TESO will give us/them. But sry, 3 Realm RvR is just not enough. Period.

 

Anyways....good luck with your "Dragon Magic" whatnot World. It will be just 1 of 10000, nothing special.

 

Really?  I'm really tired of this "entitled" attitude.  Simply, it's crap and just as destructive as any "greedy" publisher in the industry.

 

Hate to break it to you, but this is as close to DAoC 2 as you'll get.  You have the RvR and you have a game world drawing from the very same myths, legends and lore that DAoC did.  What more could you ask for?

 

It's actually the best of both worlds.  Essentially Mark and his team are revisiting some of the core aspects that made DAoC but with more knowledge and experience.  For me, much of the charm of DAoC wasn't just the RvR and the community that came with it, but it was the lore (something the game strayed from with each expansion).

 

For me, that's exciting.  It gives them room to re-think how all this rich "history" is resolved from scratch as opposed to having to carry some baggage and poor decisions from DAoC.

  cronius77

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2/06/13 2:13:53 PM#10
anyone thinking this game will be what he is saying at this moment need to learn a bit about the industry more. Games evolve over time and so will this one as more people give imput and interest. He has a small team now so he cannot build a true DAOC 2 like the first but there will be a evolution of pve im sure later on if people want and ask for it. This guy got shit on by his peers and his fans during the warhammer EA times , if anyone has learned their lession to listen to his fans , its mark jacobs trust me.
  killahh

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2/06/13 2:54:10 PM#11
That's OK Ilaya go back and sit on that couch and be a hater, while others try to change things.

Gonada Dahung,over 20 years of mmorpg's and counting....Please Lord, let someone make a game that had all the awesomeness of UO, EQ and EVE...

  Ilaya

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2/06/13 3:17:32 PM#12
Originally posted by killahh
That's OK Ilaya go back and sit on that couch and be a hater, while others try to change things.

Mate.....

Dont take me as an "Hate everything" guy. I can assure you i am not. I have an open Mind especially when it comes to games. I love innovation, i dont like ppl which just hate a game because it has not the features others game had and so forth.

 

The Thing is, that the whole (i think) DaoC Community wait's for just DaoC 2. I think also that when you would cut back DaoC to Vanilla times, take a Cry Engin 3 or [insert Game Engine you like/prefer], reforge it, re texture it, do some new quests, cut out some of the classes or/and Add-ons,  it would sell itself like butter. But, and now it comes, most of us want to have a "as close as possible" 1:1 ""copy""/new version of that. With PvE, with all the Classquests and therfore the Lore which was closly bound to that.

 

We want to have back the Strenght buff to wear our crafting mats and wanna have back a good laugh when that Buff goes away and you where stuck in the middle of nowhere. We want to sit on that one Fin Spot again, deep in the Woods and ""grind"" Exp and do socializing. We also want back DF and do PvE down there,we want the DF feeling back, never sure if a foe has logged off down there, we want to have open Dungeons and so forth. Also we want back the Feeling standing in Front of the Closed DF and then, because angry of that, going out in the Fields and take our beloved Keeps back and relicts. I could go on for hours.....i think you to.

 

And now it comes. A Great announcement and a Trailer/Teaser, which INSTANTLY makes you think we FINALLY get our DaoC 2. But then, reading through the Interviews, going through all the articles, reading the Webpage, we are let down. Everything we hoped for dissapeard in a second. You start reading about Asian Market and Dragons ( it was so cool to get the respec stone finally back then), 3 Factions with nearly no PvE and so forth. This is just disappointing, for many of us. I am quite sure that i am not alone with that feeling.

 

And as i said already. With the concept as it stands now, with no more info of that, it will be just another MMO in that huge MMO sauce pot. Nothing more nothing less.

  Hrimnir

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2/06/13 3:25:16 PM#13

People seem to be failing to grasp the forest for the frickin trees here.

THE single most important thing about this game/announcement is that a developer has FINALLY figured out that trying to make a "do all" MMO isnt going to work.

This is the way MMO's were trending before WOW released.  The community was moving towards a larger number of smaller games targetted towards different styles of MMO players.  I.E. a game for people who like FFA PVP, a game for RVR PVP'ers, a game for Raid PVE'ers, etc etc.

I'll support this game 100% simply for the fact that he had the stones to tell people he is putting extremely minimal PVE in and focusing the game entirely around RvR and supporting said RVR via crafting, etc.  And i'm not even a huge PVP fan, i generally like raid drive PVE.

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  DavisFlight

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2/06/13 3:33:06 PM#14
Originally posted by Hrimnir

People seem to be failing to grasp the forest for the frickin trees here.

THE single most important thing about this game/announcement is that a developer has FINALLY figured out that trying to make a "do all" MMO isnt going to work.

This is the way MMO's were trending before WOW released.  The community was moving towards a larger number of smaller games targetted towards different styles of MMO players.  I.E. a game for people who like FFA PVP, a game for RVR PVP'ers, a game for Raid PVE'ers, etc etc.

I'll support this game 100% simply for the fact that he had the stones to tell people he is putting extremely minimal PVE in and focusing the game entirely around RvR and supporting said RVR via crafting, etc.  And i'm not even a huge PVP fan, i generally like raid drive PVE.

Yes, this!

  HighMarshal

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2/06/13 3:44:03 PM#15

Even if he wanted to make DaoC 2, he couldn't. I am pretty sure he doesn't own the IP anymore.

Deal with it.

  NC-John

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2/06/13 5:18:21 PM#16
It's gotta get made first. I will donate some. It sounds good, but we shall see if he can reach that goal which is freakin huge. When I start my MMOs kick starter campaign in Q2 2014 i'm not asking that amount, but I will have it out of alpha almost by then. keep us informed mark I know your reading this :)

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  OgreRaper

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2/06/13 5:24:25 PM#17
Originally posted by rwyan

Hate to break it to you, but this is as close to DAoC 2 as you'll get.  You have the RvR and you have a game world drawing from the very same myths, legends and lore that DAoC did.  What more could you ask for?

 

^ Agreed ^

Some people are never happy. But I certainly am excited about this, and will be eagerly following Camelot Unchained.

  emota

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2/06/13 5:46:20 PM#18
Sounds awesome, can't wait. A new and refreshing idea.
  Daxamar

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2/06/13 6:00:29 PM#19

Sounds good so far.

Ahh, Dragons Gate. Good times on AOL. Before they wanted to charge by the hour of gameplay. :(

  HeroEvermore

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2/07/13 1:09:52 AM#20
LOL AT THE FIRST COMMENT! SO SILLY. LOVE MMORPG.COM

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