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  Po_gg

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2/06/13 1:49:30 PM#21
Originally posted by CalmOceans

Anyway, let me explain myself.

I don't have children, the guild which I'm a member of tends to be low on moms with children and we, for better or for worse, don't tend to accept moms with children after all the drama and trouble they have caused in the past in our guild.

Before anyone gets upset, we do have two moms in our guild and they are really great players.

However, usually moms have for whatever reason an incredibly short fuse and, while understandable, their child comes before the game, they have on most occasions been more detrimental to our guild's progress than helpful.

It's also incredibly hard to explain to someone with a child that if they can't put the raiding first the guild might not be for them, try to explain someone with a young kid that the game should come before RL and they will flip and lose it and cause drama.

You think we're unfair if we deny applicants just on the basis of being a mom with child, companies do this, why can't we?

Wow, that was ... strange, and not because I'm in the target audience (I could be a dad at most :) ). To be honest this attitude is exactly why I prefer my kin / guild / fleet / cabal / etc. to have at least one of these tags: rp, casual, social, gaming, or something similar.

"comes before the game", "they can't put the raiding first", and especially "the game should come before RL" - is it only me who started to see huge WTF signs? :) I mean I know some "live by the raid-calendar"-type dudes, but they're still around 20 and in college. Game should come before RL, are you serious or just trolling? :)

But to the question in the end, not unfair, just dumb. It's your guild, you can put whatever elitist filter you want in the application process. On the other hand I don't think it will do any good to a guild, and probably it's against the TOS as well... (I'm not sure about this, but there's a huge chance it is, since you want to decide based on gender and social status)

  Schoeneck93

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2/06/13 1:50:55 PM#22

I'm not going to dignify the fact that you think parents who play games in guilds are one step above child abusers with a response. 

I mean... I don't see how you're making that connection man. It just doesn't make sense. WHO cares if this person doesn't meet all the time requirements. What if they just want to play with friends that are in the Guild, or get in on raids when they have free time? Why do they have to be to every single one? WHY? It doesn't make any sense. 

Tell me why, don't just keep saying "Because they can't be to every single raid". Why do they have to come to every one? 

  Talgen

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2/06/13 1:52:33 PM#23
Originally posted by CalmOceans

Anyway, let me explain myself.

I don't have children, the guild which I'm a member of tends to be low on moms with children and we, for better or for worse, don't tend to accept moms with children after all the drama and trouble they have caused in the past in our guild.

Before anyone gets upset, we do have two moms in our guild and they are really great players.

However, usually moms have for whatever reason an incredibly short fuse and, while understandable, their child comes before the game, they have on most occasions been more detrimental to our guild's progress than helpful.

It's also incredibly hard to explain to someone with a child that if they can't put the raiding first the guild might not be for them, try to explain someone with a young kid that the game should come before RL and they will flip and lose it and cause drama.

You think we're unfair if we deny applicants just on the basis of being a mom with child, companies do this, why can't we?

I stopped here.

  Dreamo84

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2/06/13 1:54:46 PM#24

I'm not a Mom or a Dad, but I have a job and friends. So that prevents me from joining a Raiding Guild so I don't. Anyone who does join a Raiding Guild should understand that they have to be commited to that. If they can't be then they should move on.

It sucks, i'm sure if they used to be able to Raid a lot when they were single/a teenager/didnt have kids. But life changes. I do NOT think a guild should have to work around someone elses schedule regardless of what that reason is.

I don't think there is a reason to say !@#$ your kids and come raid instead! but I think if it comes to it. A polite conversation should be had in which you detail the situation and why its not working for you or the guild.

Obviously if its just a once in the while thing, anyone can have a problem and have to be away from a Raid.

  Bladestrom

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2/06/13 1:55:03 PM#25
Originally posted by iamthekiller
Originally posted by Schoeneck93

If she can't put raiding first... like before her children? 

 

I'm currently sharing this post with friends, as well as a good laugh. 

 

Fuckin' hysterical. I can't even believe you're serious. 

 

"Oh hey, if real life gets in the way of your raid time, we're not for you." 

So you're actually encouraging that people put games before their real life? Like REALLY?

 

I understand if gaming is you're job or career or whatever but come on, otherwise you guys need to be a bit more accomadating, People do have things to do that are far more important than playing a game with you. 

 

EDIT:

 

And you want to know why COMPANIES can do this, and NOT you? I'll tell you right here right now.

 

COMPANIES, are paying money.

 

YOU, are not. You are paying with blatent generalization and bitter treatment towards those who can't always be online. 

 

And on a side-note, to me, it seems like YOU guys are the ones creating the drama by telling them they need to put gaming before their children. 

When moms start to create drama, just ignore it. Don't dignify it with a response. 

I see this all the time, people complaining about the drama, which is drama in its self. Do you understand now young padawan? 

Nah, hes saying if you couldn't keep your legs closed then you should do your job instead of joining a raid guild that requires you to be there at set times. My viewpoint is that people who are on the damn pc raiding when they have young kids around are 1 step above child abusers. Im sure you and those like you have laundry list of reasons why thats "ok". Still when the kid grows up emotionally screwed up b/c mommy or daddy couldn't peel themselves off a raid for long enough to give a crap...

 

Some of these responses are hilarious...if your kid comes first like you say..then don't join a guild that is strict with attendance..its that simple. Your fault..not theres. I have gkicked multiple "parents" if you can call em that considering their habits..for going afk too much due to their kids.

I was there, I was a dad and raided and i crossed a line i realised a couple years ago.  Its all fine saying its ok mom is looking after the kids while you raid, but what the kids see is their dad ignoring them for 3-4 hours at a time to play a game.  Not helping with homework, not engaging with the children to teach them social skills - ignoring them with headphones on.  Parents who pretent otherewise are going to look back and think what the hell was I playing it when i missed the best years of my childs lives by playing games.  On top of that its not fair to keep 9 people waiting while you go look after the kids for 5-10 minutes..Sometimes you just cannot have you cake and eat it.

On the other side of the coin if a guild has members that have children and they know this then its abhorrant to then punish the when they do their parental duties.  Time to grow up world, games that demand 3-4 hour commitment multiple times a night is destructive.

 

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  greenreen

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2/06/13 1:55:31 PM#26
Originally posted by iamthekiller
Originally posted by Onecrazyguy
Companies do this? Uh, not unless they are breaking the law. You can't ask those types of questions in interviews.

You are probably right...however I think it's BS. In the country I live in your business is supposed to be yours to do whatever you like with it..if someone has a problem with questions you ask or reasons you hire/don't hire...they can go apply to another place. However the federal government in clear violation of exisiting laws has prevented this...not really though, they just don't say those are the reasons..discrimination still happens.

Yeah, they skirt the issue - tell me about your plans in the next 5 years, they ask if you can work overtime, they ask if you would be available in the evenings or if you can travel, they try to let you expose something in your schedule that would interrupt being the workaholic they want you to be. In a way it can work in your favor if you don't have huge family commitments. It's not illegal for people to divulge information and say, Look, I have no children, I don't plan on getting married in the next 5 years, my interest is in my career and advancing it - I'm willing to put in the hours necessary to be mutually beneficial. They don't have to hold you to it but knowing you could is all some want. They consider the cost of training you something not to lose every 9 months.

It's a private guild, do what you want but I think some fathers are just as kid oriented. They would run off too for kid things or not say anything and return saying their kid fell or something. You just see less of it because so many men leave the women to care for the kids. Single fathers are more rare than single mothers. It's easier to knock a woman up and walk away then just pay child support than stick around after relationships crumble. States seem to side with mothers too and give them automatic custody unless they are blatantly horrible parents. I know one guy that had a lot of court battles to prove his ex-wife was unfit to parent, all she would have had to accuse him of was a knock on the chin and she would have had custody for life, that's just the system. She even broke the baby's leg putting them into a car seat. She really was unfit and too angry to have that kid.

Men aren't forced to parent if they don't want to since so many women are willing to take a stipend to do it that's why you see more women to judge for going afk for babbiesez.

  iamthekiller

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2/06/13 1:56:15 PM#27
Originally posted by Schoeneck93

I'm not going to dignify the fact that you think parents who play games in guilds are one step above child abusers with a response. 

I mean... I don't see how you're making that connection man. It just doesn't make sense. WHO cares if this person doesn't meet all the time requirements. What if they just want to play with friends that are in the Guild, or get in on raids when they have free time? Why do they have to be to every single one? WHY? It doesn't make any sense. 

Tell me why, don't just keep saying "Because they can't be to every single raid". Why do they have to come to every one? 

It's legit..a form of neglect..which is also considered child abuse. If they just wanna play casual they can go join a casual guild..if they apply to a hardcore raiding guild and then don't make the raids or leave late or go afk too much..it doesn't really matter what the reason is...gkick on the spot.  And you keep asking WHY? Because it's my guild and I said so..thats a good enough reason for me.

  Rayshe

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2/06/13 1:56:48 PM#28
Originally posted by Po_gg
Originally posted by CalmOceans

Anyway, let me explain myself.

I don't have children, the guild which I'm a member of tends to be low on moms with children and we, for better or for worse, don't tend to accept moms with children after all the drama and trouble they have caused in the past in our guild.

Before anyone gets upset, we do have two moms in our guild and they are really great players.

However, usually moms have for whatever reason an incredibly short fuse and, while understandable, their child comes before the game, they have on most occasions been more detrimental to our guild's progress than helpful.

It's also incredibly hard to explain to someone with a child that if they can't put the raiding first the guild might not be for them, try to explain someone with a young kid that the game should come before RL and they will flip and lose it and cause drama.

You think we're unfair if we deny applicants just on the basis of being a mom with child, companies do this, why can't we?

Wow, that was ... strange, and not because I'm in the target audience (I could be a dad at most :) ). To be honest this attitude is exactly why I prefer my kin / guild / fleet / cabal / etc. to have at least one of these tags: rp, casual, social, gaming, or something similar.

"comes before the game", "they can't put the raiding first", and especially "the game should come before RL" - is it only me who started to see huge WTF signs? :) I mean I know some "live by the raid-calendar"-type dudes, but they're still around 20 and in college. Game should come before RL, are you serious or just trolling? :)

But to the question in the end, not unfair, just dumb. It's your guild, you can put whatever elitist filter you want in the application process. On the other hand I don't think it will do any good to a guild, and probably it's against the TOS as well... (I'm not sure about this, but there's a huge chance it is, since you want to decide based on gender and social status)

Actually its not a TOS issue at all. Filtering out applicants is simply filtering out applicants. if anyone who asked could join a guild then Guilds would be Raided and pillaged, their banks would be made bare to anyone.

 

I Disagree, This isn't so much as it being "Dumb" its actually not, its more working toward effectiveness. If you are part of a Guild who is Focusing on Clearing as much endgame content as possible then you want people who are devoted enough to get to that specific area. Having anyone else in the Guild would just be swimming upstream. its basic Min Maxing, If i was going to make a Hardcore Raiding guild i would remove anyone without Time or Interest in actually Raiding, Or i would specifically tell them that you WONT be getting into a raid due to the unstableness of your schedual. This isn't a thing of selfishness. If i have to organize a raid and i get 10 people, then suddenly one person says "crap guys i gotta leave me kid needs X" Suddenly the nights over not just for that one person but for the 9 others unless you can pull a rabbit out of a hat.

Because i can.
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  VengeSunsoar

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2/06/13 1:59:22 PM#29

I think it's a big issue.

My sister and her husband are big gamers.  I'm entirely convinced that my two nephews have suffered for it.  The oldest one (now 5) is severely unsocialized, talking skills are weak, extremely emotionally labile, cannot handle the crowds and noise of his kindergarden class, just sits in the corner and cries.  He has now been referred to a special school with more appropriate therapists.

However my sister and her husband would basically just ignore him while they played on their games.  Oh he was fed and changed regularly but there was no socialization and it shows.

Does he have learning disabilities, yes.  Could they be from something other than the lack of socialization? Possibly.  Did the lack of socialiation impact them?  Absolutely. 

Talking to her about this is... touchy and we try to focus more on going forward rather than "look at what happened."

His little brother (3 years old) is far more developed socially and emotionally than the older brother, possibly just because he had an older brother to play with during these formative years. 

edit - I know a somewhat different angle than you expressed.  But real lives can definately be impacted from them. 

edit 2 - interestingly enough the federal court here in Canada just ruled on this.  http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/court-says-employers-must-accommodate-staffs-child-care-requests/article8288899/

 

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  mmoguy43

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2/06/13 1:59:25 PM#30
It is fair for your guild but not fair to just any mom with children.

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  k11keeper

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2/06/13 2:04:17 PM#31

This entire idea is pretty absurd. To single out mom's with kids is kinda crazy. If you have strict attendance policies then just deny people based solely on that. You don't need to go out and stereotype sections of the population.

Also this entire mindset of game > RL is one of the reasons I no longer participate in hardcore endgame guilds. I just don't have the time or patience and honestly some punk 20 year old living with mom getting angry cause I want to spend time with my kid or wife is something I won't put up with. Even when I did do some hardcore guilding, I've never felt the need to have any more reason than "I didn't feel like raiding tonight" to not show up for something honestly. If it's something with the kid or wife I will drop the game without a second thought. Do I prefer to limit how often that occurs, of course, but your toon getting some more epeen is not more important than my family.

 

  Thorkune

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2/06/13 2:04:25 PM#32
That's why I always look for a casual guild. I don't want raid pressure of any kind. I have been in several guilds where we have had Mom's that had to leave our groups due to child issues. No biggie. we either get a replacement, or we reschedule. With me, real life always comes before gaming...no exceptions.
  Bladestrom

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2/06/13 2:06:51 PM#33
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

I think it's a big issue.

My sister and her husband are big gamers.  I'm entirely convinced that my two nephews have suffered for it.  The oldest one (now 5) is severely unsocialized, talking skills are weak, extremely emotionally labile, cannot handle the crowds and noise of his kindergarden class, just sits in the corner and cries.  He has now been referred to a special school with more appropriate therapists.

However my sister and her husband would basically just ignore him while they played on their games.  Oh he was fed and changed regularly but there was no socialization and it shows.

Does he have learning disabilities, yes.  Could they be from something other than the lack of socialization? Possibly.  Did the lack of socialiation impact them?  Absolutely. 

Talking to her about this is... touchy and we try to focus more on going forward rather than "look at what happened."

His little brother (3 years old) is far more developed socially and emotionally than the older brother, possibly just because he had an older brother to play with during these formative years. 

edit - I know a somewhat different angle than you expressed.  But real lives can definately be impacted from them. 

Its absolutely damaging for a child to be ignored by their parents for hours as a time.  A child may be well fed etc, but what exactly is that child learning from seeing their parents 'ignore them'.  And i know from experience while raiding you are 100% focused on the raid and interruptions tend to irritate.  Its just unhealthy and selfish and I would suggest a form of passive abuse not a hell of a lot different from having parents hooked on drugs.

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  nariusseldon

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2/06/13 2:07:53 PM#34

It is a free world. You guild is free to decide the guidelines of membership. There is no legal regulation. You can be as discriminitive as you like.

OTOH, moms with little kids are free to enjoy their entertainment. There is no need for them to put anything else before their kids. There are always guilds that will accept almost anyone.

Personally i find the idea of trying to convince what others should or should not do laughable. Just decide whether to associate with them, and let them live their life.

 

  FARGIN_WAR

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2/06/13 2:08:50 PM#35
Originally posted by eyelolled

I think that is the problem with raiding. 

 

As a father, I can say that there isn't a person on this earth that is more important than my kids.  If someone wants me to put them before my kids, they can kiss my ass.   I don't want to be the guy that everyone is waiting on, and I avoid putting myself into that situation as much as possible. However, when it comes down to it,  if my kids wants my attention (notice I didn't use the term need) then they get it.

 

The only problem I see with your viewpoint, is that it assumes there is a difference between mothers and fathers.

Hey look something we both agree on! Guess that means the world's going to end.

Every and I mean every fucking guild I've ever been in that imploded due to drama, have always been due to someone's hurt feelings over raiding. Drops, schedule, build, personal life vs guild commitment, etc. In my opinion every serious raider is a ticking time bomb. Excluding an entire group of people from joining your guild over the actions of a few seems rather delusional.

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  Rayshe

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2/06/13 2:09:28 PM#36
Originally posted by k11keeper

This entire idea is pretty absurd. To single out mom's with kids is kinda crazy. If you have strict attendance policies then just deny people based solely on that. You don't need to go out and stereotype sections of the population.

Also this entire mindset of game > RL is one of the reasons I no longer participate in hardcore endgame guilds. I just don't have the time or patience and honestly some punk 20 year old living with mom getting angry cause I want to spend time with my kid or wife is something I won't put up with. Even when I did do some hardcore guilding, I've never felt the need to have any more reason than "I didn't feel like raiding tonight" to not show up for something honestly. If it's something with the kid or wife I will drop the game without a second thought. Do I prefer to limit how often that occurs, of course, but your toon getting some more epeen is not more important than my family.

 

 

 

I can agree with that ideal, Honestly i can agree with most ideals when it comes to gaming. However its based on the end result for who you want, Kinda like a risk factor. Outfitting a hardcore guild with Casual players wont get anywhere, Sure i may get a stigma from other groups however, im aiming towards a specific end goal. If i don't think your can fit into that setting then i wont accept you.

 

That being said just so people know im not part of a hardcore Guild anymore, i sit as a casual progression who does stuff when we have the people nessessary.

Because i can.
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  Torvaldr

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2/06/13 2:10:45 PM#37

It doesn't matter whether you're fair or not. It's your guild to do with as you please.  Just be aware that some members might move on, but then they probably weren't a best fit for you anyway.

This is why I'm in adult guilds that have figured out how to game and have children.

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  jonrd463

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2/06/13 2:12:38 PM#38
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  Daxamar

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2/06/13 2:15:28 PM#39

Im so stunned by the OP, I dont even know what to say.

 

  Icewhite

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2/06/13 2:18:32 PM#40
Originally posted by CalmOceans

You think we're unfair if we deny applicants just on the basis of being a mom with child, companies do this, why can't we?

You can deny applicants for any silly-buggers reason you want to.

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