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  Ghavrigg

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2/06/13 12:57:14 PM#41

GW2 has little to no staying power, in my opinion. The PvP isn't exciting in the least at the moment, the PvE is decent, but I mainly just feel like I'm grinding, run here for one event, run a bit farther for another event that's over in a matter of minutes, so on and so on. I'm sure this can be said of games like WoW as well, for many people, but even WoW breaks up the monotony on occasion. Up to level 30ish, I never did one event that I felt was very exciting or noteworthy.

The personal story is godawful. Just so bland. I don't really like any of the characters I can play as, and I sincerely wish they went with a silent protagonist route and let the NPC's do the work.

I do enjoy the crafting, however. Mainly because it's just a side thing that I can bang out quickly every 5 levels for new gear.

I just don't feel any motivation at all to want to level.

I actually played GW2 for a month or so after launch, and it was not long into it at WoW MoP came out, and all I could think about was playing WoW while I was playing GW2. lol

I did eventually go back to WoW, and I played it like crazy for 2 months and had a blast before I burnt out (which means started raiding and found it boring lol). What can I say? WoW still dangles the carrot better.

  grimal

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2/06/13 1:01:16 PM#42

I avoided initial hype.  I found the game very enjoyable for a couple months but then became a bit bored (happens with every game, really). 

I found the game had a lot of eye candy and initial thrills.  But those sort of things only last a little while.  The meat of the game (strictly PVE) was pretty thin for me.  In the end, I think the game was a bit too casual for me.  It felt more like a console playing experience than a computer RPG.

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  iamthekiller

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OP  2/06/13 1:02:12 PM#43
Originally posted by Celcius
Originally posted by iamthekiller
Originally posted by Celcius
Originally posted by iamthekiller
Originally posted by Celcius
No one claims that games will "kill WoW"; these are just things people like to say when backing up an ill formed argument about a game not meeting their expectations. I personally think WoW is complete garbage and so is MoP, but hey thats my opinion. Fact is that the game is earning ArenaNet and NC Soft hand over fist and they have sold over 3million copies already, making it the fastest selling MMO to date. Take that for what you will, but I don't really see how anyone with any sense can deny the success of GW2. 

I didn't really mention how well it did do or didn't. I know MOP sold more then 3 million copies in a week though. I think that is probably faster then GW2. Im not knocking people who like the game at all...im not saying it's unsuccessful...it's succesfull for a mediocre game for sure..a real record setter!

An expansion is different then a game release. Saying your MMO sold 3 million copies in a week which was the first time the game did not break a previous record for sales and with an installed user base of 10 million doesn't mean anything. It was not the fastest selling MMO of all time, GW2 was and still is. Nice try though, considering you started your post off by claiming you did not mention how well it did yet still replied to me by claiming GW2's numbers were not as significant as I claim. 

You can't state your opinion as fact and claim I cannot defend your argument with facts. You like WoW and you don't like GW2..who cares. The fact is that GW2 has sold faster then any other MMO does not change. You can claim it is mediocre all you want though. That is your opinion. Unfortunately for you they already got your money so you basically voted for the game being a winner. Thanks for your contribution towards my current and future content patches for the game I enjoy. 

I never once stated my opinion as fact. I actually went out of my way to specifically say it was my opinion and it wasn't popular. Your attitude is quite amusing though, you come in here attacking me because you want to make sure everyone knows GW2 wasn't a failure...but I never said it was..you seem like you know deep down it's mediore but don't want to admit it to yourself.

 

As far as MOP being different because it's an expansion...that's pretty much something you made up to rationalize your viewpoint that GW2 is the fastest selling MMO of all time when it's not. MOP is...you don't get to discount it for subjective reasons. Or can you point me in the direction of the rulebook that defines these things? Did obama sign a executive action declaring expansions for mmo's don't count as mmo release's?

 

All that aside, if you don't care about the topic of my thread why post? Why not just go on with your life? GW2 isn't gonna magically become a good game because your white knighting it.

 

Actually, you attacked the game with really poor arguments that do not constitute logic or well formed thought; which is what I meant by you claiming your opinions as fact. Saying "its successful for a mediocre game" is one of those poor arguments where you do as such. So yeah, I will defend the game from baseless arguments as simple as it being called "a mediocre success".

GW2 sold faster then any other MMO to date and you cannot dispute that. MoP is a fast selling expansion, but it is not a launch MMO. WoW did not have this high of a sell through rate at this point in the game's life span, thus making GW2 outsell it. It is pretty undisputable logic. GW2 at 5 months = 3 million sold WoW at 5 months = not 3 million sold. GW2 clearly sold copies faster. End of that story. 

The end of your thread is you once again stating your opinion as fact. Claiming the game is not going to become good. I also post to make people like yourself look like blundering bafoons.

You are doing an amazing job of making yourself look like a crazy GW2 fanboy. I stated multiple times it was my opinion and you keep insisting on this...Let me break it down real simple for you...ill even use the example you gave. You had me saying "It's successfull, for a mediocre game." The game was successful right? Ok fact checked past..me thinking the game is mediocre is my opinion. You also quoted me as saying the game was "A mediocre success" I never said anything like that at all...if you keep posting in this thread I will report you for harrassment/trolling. IF you want to have an actual discussion don't acuse people of being intellectually dishonest and don't put words in my mouth. Im not arguing anything at all and haven't been...I said my piece and if you don't like it go cry a river.

  DeaconX

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2/06/13 1:03:25 PM#44

As an explorer, I must say it's the best time in an MMORPG I've ever had.

 

As a writer, it's servicable much less immersive than I was expecting.

 

That being said I only have my various characters in their 30's so there's still a lot to go.  Either way, whenever I get to play the game I'm having a good time overall so, to me it's a success.

 

I'm enjoing multiple classes, love the way the combat feels more than any other MMORPG to date... and again, as an explorer, I really really enjoy the game.  No matter where I go, there's a visual feast to take in.  Wonderful world design.

 

It's also nice to be put into overflow servers even months after launch (not everywhere, but some cities for sure.)


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  Gaia_Hunter

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2/06/13 1:04:58 PM#45

It met what I was expecting, but I knew that from the beta.

It has a bit too much of RNG based systems for my taste, DEs still break too often, Ascended items was a bad idea to please people this game will never cater for, crafting could be improved by mixing different tiers of crafting materials, still needs Guild Hall, better guild identifiers, DEs don't scale very well when you have 10+ people.

Other than that it is really good, especially the combat (although I wouldn't mind they add click to move as well), although it can be esoteric for those used to a more traditional game.

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  akiira69

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Joined: 3/28/07
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Need longer quote limits.

2/06/13 1:07:10 PM#46
Originally posted by Celcius
Originally posted by iamthekiller
Originally posted by Celcius
Originally posted by iamthekiller
Originally posted by Celcius
No one claims that games will "kill WoW"; these are just things people like to say when backing up an ill formed argument about a game not meeting their expectations. I personally think WoW is complete garbage and so is MoP, but hey thats my opinion. Fact is that the game is earning ArenaNet and NC Soft hand over fist and they have sold over 3million copies already, making it the fastest selling MMO to date. Take that for what you will, but I don't really see how anyone with any sense can deny the success of GW2. 

I didn't really mention how well it did do or didn't. I know MOP sold more then 3 million copies in a week though. I think that is probably faster then GW2. Im not knocking people who like the game at all...im not saying it's unsuccessful...it's succesfull for a mediocre game for sure..a real record setter!

An expansion is different then a game release. Saying your MMO sold 3 million copies in a week which was the first time the game did not break a previous record for sales and with an installed user base of 10 million doesn't mean anything. It was not the fastest selling MMO of all time, GW2 was and still is. Nice try though, considering you started your post off by claiming you did not mention how well it did yet still replied to me by claiming GW2's numbers were not as significant as I claim. 

You can't state your opinion as fact and claim I cannot defend your argument with facts. You like WoW and you don't like GW2..who cares. The fact is that GW2 has sold faster then any other MMO does not change. You can claim it is mediocre all you want though. That is your opinion. Unfortunately for you they already got your money so you basically voted for the game being a winner. Thanks for your contribution towards my current and future content patches for the game I enjoy. 

I never once stated my opinion as fact. I actually went out of my way to specifically say it was my opinion and it wasn't popular. Your attitude is quite amusing though, you come in here attacking me because you want to make sure everyone knows GW2 wasn't a failure...but I never said it was..you seem like you know deep down it's mediore but don't want to admit it to yourself.

 

As far as MOP being different because it's an expansion...that's pretty much something you made up to rationalize your viewpoint that GW2 is the fastest selling MMO of all time when it's not. MOP is...you don't get to discount it for subjective reasons. Or can you point me in the direction of the rulebook that defines these things? Did obama sign a executive action declaring expansions for mmo's don't count as mmo release's?

 

All that aside, if you don't care about the topic of my thread why post? Why not just go on with your life? GW2 isn't gonna magically become a good game because your white knighting it.

 

Actually, you attacked the game with really poor arguments that do not constitute logic or well formed thought; which is what I meant by you claiming your opinions as fact. Saying "its successful for a mediocre game" is one of those poor arguments where you do as such. So yeah, I will defend the game from baseless arguments as simple as it being called "a mediocre success".

GW2 sold faster then any other MMO to date and you cannot dispute that. MoP is a fast selling expansion, but it is not a launch MMO. WoW did not have this high of a sell through rate at this point in the game's life span, thus making GW2 outsell it. It is pretty undisputable logic. GW2 at 5 months = 3 million sold WoW at 5 months = not 3 million sold. GW2 clearly sold copies faster. End of that story. 

The end of your thread is you once again stating your opinion as fact. Claiming the game is not going to become good. I also post to make people like yourself look like blundering bafoons.

Only 3 Mill sales makes the fastest growing MMO to date? WoW Vanilla Launch beat that in its launch. When WoW Vanilla Launched if you could find a GameStop that had a Copy of it you were lucky. On the day of GW2 Launch I was going from GameStop to GameStop looking for a copy of ME3(I think I went to 6 and ended up going to BestBuy to get it) and every GameStop I went to had 3 Shelves of Game Boxes for GW2. And lets not forget the fact that WoW has close to 11 Million Active Subscribers how many does GW2 have? One last thing the only person stating anything as fact is you I have read the OP's Posts and see only opinion not once has he tried to warp his opinion as fact.

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  Muntz

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2/06/13 1:12:18 PM#47
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by Volkon
Originally posted by Celcius
Originally posted by Volkon
Originally posted by BadSpock

I've recently gone back and the game is in a much better place - it's simply more fun than it was before.

I've just started exploring Orr which is fun - and apparently I'm a genius because Orr was really awful before?

sPvP is a lot of fun.

WvW still needs some major work IMO, but hopefully the big March update helps.

I really like the Living Story and can't wait to play the next chapters.

The game REALLY needs an in-game top-notch cross-realm LFG tool for dungeons/fractals.

Right now everyone seems to be using a 3rd party website, which is a huge turn off for me. The need is obviously there to do the same in game Anet.

I really hope they add in a WoW-like LFD tool when the next phase of dungeon fixes/tweaks comes out.

Beyond that, I'm still hopeful for more weapons and maybe weapon skills per weapon in the first expansion to make it a but more mix and match like GW1 was.

As it stands now, I don't really like the way the secondaries / elite skills work and I don't like the hard-set weapon skills.

Now that they've got guesting enabled, I also think they should do what WoW did and make the leveling zones cross realm to host a much healthier population across all zones.

Spock... you can always ask in guild for people willing to do Fractals/ Dungeons... 

I cannot express this enough guys. This is by far the most useful tool you can use for finding a group. Honestly, having used it alot to find groups I can say that a group finding system would be a waste of development time at this point. They should just hire the guy who made this site. Gw2lfg.com  You can make groups like instantly and I am not even kidding. You post what you are looking for and can specify dungeon,ect. 

I agree... I've used that site a couple times for Fractals runs and it's surprising how quickly you get invites in game. I normally ask within guild or chat, but that site works wonders when you need it.

I'd love to set up a dungeon play date sometime!

I'm level 80 and I've done the Ghosts of Ascalon story mode once and maybe like two of the explorables? That's it.

I really do need to be proactive and find guildies interesting in tagging along.

Kind of want to finish the personal story first though... but I barely have enough time in the day to do the daily achieves for PvE and PvP and also have time to do a dungeon or personal story chapter.

Variety is good. If you can find a good group to do dungeons with the story lines support, indirectly, your personal story.  I guess you would know that from the Ascalon ones you have done. There are, however, too many speed groups out there that don't want you to watch the cut scenes.  So finding I group like that can be a little more difficult. When I do a dungeon (fractals too) it fills quite a few of the daily PvE achivements so I wouldn't consider it an either or but it will not do all of them. 

  Ice-Queen

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2/06/13 1:15:38 PM#48
Originally posted by Bladestrom
Originally posted by Tayah
Originally posted by iamthekiller

That being said, what could bring me back to the world of Tyria? Honestly nothing short of a blumpkin from the devs...

Nothing can bring me back. I treated GW2 like the game it was. It was like a console game. I beat it then moved on. It's just not a good mmorpg. Perhaps too themepark for me, too.

Do we really need another 'I got bored of game A, Game B is great'  thread? 

 

Where did I say game b is great? I don't have a game b. I've been in between games for years now. There's nothing out there that sticks. It's all themepark cloned garbage for people like myself that want a good sanbox game.

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  StoneRoses

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Posts: 911

2/06/13 1:15:53 PM#49
Pirates 101 > GW2
...that sir is fact per MMORPG.com
Game of the Year!

WoW is not even in the same league! Why even mention it?

  Volkon

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Joined: 9/14/10
Posts: 3813

Facts do not require fiction for balance.

2/06/13 1:16:06 PM#50
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by Volkon
Originally posted by Celcius
Originally posted by Volkon
Originally posted by BadSpock

I've recently gone back and the game is in a much better place - it's simply more fun than it was before.

I've just started exploring Orr which is fun - and apparently I'm a genius because Orr was really awful before?

sPvP is a lot of fun.

WvW still needs some major work IMO, but hopefully the big March update helps.

I really like the Living Story and can't wait to play the next chapters.

The game REALLY needs an in-game top-notch cross-realm LFG tool for dungeons/fractals.

Right now everyone seems to be using a 3rd party website, which is a huge turn off for me. The need is obviously there to do the same in game Anet.

I really hope they add in a WoW-like LFD tool when the next phase of dungeon fixes/tweaks comes out.

Beyond that, I'm still hopeful for more weapons and maybe weapon skills per weapon in the first expansion to make it a but more mix and match like GW1 was.

As it stands now, I don't really like the way the secondaries / elite skills work and I don't like the hard-set weapon skills.

Now that they've got guesting enabled, I also think they should do what WoW did and make the leveling zones cross realm to host a much healthier population across all zones.

Spock... you can always ask in guild for people willing to do Fractals/ Dungeons... 

I cannot express this enough guys. This is by far the most useful tool you can use for finding a group. Honestly, having used it alot to find groups I can say that a group finding system would be a waste of development time at this point. They should just hire the guy who made this site. Gw2lfg.com  You can make groups like instantly and I am not even kidding. You post what you are looking for and can specify dungeon,ect. 

I agree... I've used that site a couple times for Fractals runs and it's surprising how quickly you get invites in game. I normally ask within guild or chat, but that site works wonders when you need it.

I'd love to set up a dungeon play date sometime!

I'm level 80 and I've done the Ghosts of Ascalon story mode once and maybe like two of the explorables? That's it.

I really do need to be proactive and find guildies interesting in tagging along.

Kind of want to finish the personal story first though... but I barely have enough time in the day to do the daily achieves for PvE and PvP and also have time to do a dungeon or personal story chapter.

When you're ready for the Arah leg of the personal story let me know, I'll be glad to help out. It's the only one that requires 5 people because it coincides with the story mode for Arah dungeon (same thing). 

Oderint, dum metuant.

  Celcius

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Posts: 932

2/06/13 1:22:45 PM#51
Originally posted by akiira69
Originally posted by Celcius
Originally posted by iamthekiller
Originally posted by Celcius
Originally posted by iamthekiller
Originally posted by Celcius
No one claims that games will "kill WoW"; these are just things people like to say when backing up an ill formed argument about a game not meeting their expectations. I personally think WoW is complete garbage and so is MoP, but hey thats my opinion. Fact is that the game is earning ArenaNet and NC Soft hand over fist and they have sold over 3million copies already, making it the fastest selling MMO to date. Take that for what you will, but I don't really see how anyone with any sense can deny the success of GW2. 

I didn't really mention how well it did do or didn't. I know MOP sold more then 3 million copies in a week though. I think that is probably faster then GW2. Im not knocking people who like the game at all...im not saying it's unsuccessful...it's succesfull for a mediocre game for sure..a real record setter!

An expansion is different then a game release. Saying your MMO sold 3 million copies in a week which was the first time the game did not break a previous record for sales and with an installed user base of 10 million doesn't mean anything. It was not the fastest selling MMO of all time, GW2 was and still is. Nice try though, considering you started your post off by claiming you did not mention how well it did yet still replied to me by claiming GW2's numbers were not as significant as I claim. 

You can't state your opinion as fact and claim I cannot defend your argument with facts. You like WoW and you don't like GW2..who cares. The fact is that GW2 has sold faster then any other MMO does not change. You can claim it is mediocre all you want though. That is your opinion. Unfortunately for you they already got your money so you basically voted for the game being a winner. Thanks for your contribution towards my current and future content patches for the game I enjoy. 

I never once stated my opinion as fact. I actually went out of my way to specifically say it was my opinion and it wasn't popular. Your attitude is quite amusing though, you come in here attacking me because you want to make sure everyone knows GW2 wasn't a failure...but I never said it was..you seem like you know deep down it's mediore but don't want to admit it to yourself.

 

As far as MOP being different because it's an expansion...that's pretty much something you made up to rationalize your viewpoint that GW2 is the fastest selling MMO of all time when it's not. MOP is...you don't get to discount it for subjective reasons. Or can you point me in the direction of the rulebook that defines these things? Did obama sign a executive action declaring expansions for mmo's don't count as mmo release's?

 

All that aside, if you don't care about the topic of my thread why post? Why not just go on with your life? GW2 isn't gonna magically become a good game because your white knighting it.

 

Actually, you attacked the game with really poor arguments that do not constitute logic or well formed thought; which is what I meant by you claiming your opinions as fact. Saying "its successful for a mediocre game" is one of those poor arguments where you do as such. So yeah, I will defend the game from baseless arguments as simple as it being called "a mediocre success".

GW2 sold faster then any other MMO to date and you cannot dispute that. MoP is a fast selling expansion, but it is not a launch MMO. WoW did not have this high of a sell through rate at this point in the game's life span, thus making GW2 outsell it. It is pretty undisputable logic. GW2 at 5 months = 3 million sold WoW at 5 months = not 3 million sold. GW2 clearly sold copies faster. End of that story. 

The end of your thread is you once again stating your opinion as fact. Claiming the game is not going to become good. I also post to make people like yourself look like blundering bafoons.

Only 3 Mill sales makes the fastest growing MMO to date? WoW Vanilla Launch beat that in its launch. When WoW Vanilla Launched if you could find a GameStop that had a Copy of it you were lucky. On the day of GW2 Launch I was going from GameStop to GameStop looking for a copy of ME3(I think I went to 6 and ended up going to BestBuy to get it) and every GameStop I went to had 3 Shelves of Game Boxes for GW2. And lets not forget the fact that WoW has close to 11 Million Active Subscribers how many does GW2 have? One last thing the only person stating anything as fact is you I have read the OP's Posts and see only opinion not once has he tried to warp his opinion as fact.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/world-of-warcraft-15-million-and-counting-6120659

That was nearly almost the same time frame from launch until that announcement as GW2's launch to the announcement of 3mil. Obviously the numbers today are different then what they were before since many more people are playing MMOs, but the fact still stands: GW2 is currently the fastest selling MMO to date.

  akiira69

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Joined: 3/28/07
Posts: 525

Need longer quote limits.

2/06/13 1:36:45 PM#52
Originally posted by Celcius
Originally posted by akiira69
Originally posted by Celcius
Originally posted by iamthekiller
Originally posted by Celcius
Originally posted by iamthekiller
Originally posted by Celcius
No one claims that games will "kill WoW"; these are just things people like to say when backing up an ill formed argument about a game not meeting their expectations. I personally think WoW is complete garbage and so is MoP, but hey thats my opinion. Fact is that the game is earning ArenaNet and NC Soft hand over fist and they have sold over 3million copies already, making it the fastest selling MMO to date. Take that for what you will, but I don't really see how anyone with any sense can deny the success of GW2. 

I didn't really mention how well it did do or didn't. I know MOP sold more then 3 million copies in a week though. I think that is probably faster then GW2. Im not knocking people who like the game at all...im not saying it's unsuccessful...it's succesfull for a mediocre game for sure..a real record setter!

An expansion is different then a game release. Saying your MMO sold 3 million copies in a week which was the first time the game did not break a previous record for sales and with an installed user base of 10 million doesn't mean anything. It was not the fastest selling MMO of all time, GW2 was and still is. Nice try though, considering you started your post off by claiming you did not mention how well it did yet still replied to me by claiming GW2's numbers were not as significant as I claim. 

You can't state your opinion as fact and claim I cannot defend your argument with facts. You like WoW and you don't like GW2..who cares. The fact is that GW2 has sold faster then any other MMO does not change. You can claim it is mediocre all you want though. That is your opinion. Unfortunately for you they already got your money so you basically voted for the game being a winner. Thanks for your contribution towards my current and future content patches for the game I enjoy. 

I never once stated my opinion as fact. I actually went out of my way to specifically say it was my opinion and it wasn't popular. Your attitude is quite amusing though, you come in here attacking me because you want to make sure everyone knows GW2 wasn't a failure...but I never said it was..you seem like you know deep down it's mediore but don't want to admit it to yourself.

 

As far as MOP being different because it's an expansion...that's pretty much something you made up to rationalize your viewpoint that GW2 is the fastest selling MMO of all time when it's not. MOP is...you don't get to discount it for subjective reasons. Or can you point me in the direction of the rulebook that defines these things? Did obama sign a executive action declaring expansions for mmo's don't count as mmo release's?

 

All that aside, if you don't care about the topic of my thread why post? Why not just go on with your life? GW2 isn't gonna magically become a good game because your white knighting it.

 

Actually, you attacked the game with really poor arguments that do not constitute logic or well formed thought; which is what I meant by you claiming your opinions as fact. Saying "its successful for a mediocre game" is one of those poor arguments where you do as such. So yeah, I will defend the game from baseless arguments as simple as it being called "a mediocre success".

GW2 sold faster then any other MMO to date and you cannot dispute that. MoP is a fast selling expansion, but it is not a launch MMO. WoW did not have this high of a sell through rate at this point in the game's life span, thus making GW2 outsell it. It is pretty undisputable logic. GW2 at 5 months = 3 million sold WoW at 5 months = not 3 million sold. GW2 clearly sold copies faster. End of that story. 

The end of your thread is you once again stating your opinion as fact. Claiming the game is not going to become good. I also post to make people like yourself look like blundering bafoons.

Only 3 Mill sales makes the fastest growing MMO to date? WoW Vanilla Launch beat that in its launch. When WoW Vanilla Launched if you could find a GameStop that had a Copy of it you were lucky. On the day of GW2 Launch I was going from GameStop to GameStop looking for a copy of ME3(I think I went to 6 and ended up going to BestBuy to get it) and every GameStop I went to had 3 Shelves of Game Boxes for GW2. And lets not forget the fact that WoW has close to 11 Million Active Subscribers how many does GW2 have? One last thing the only person stating anything as fact is you I have read the OP's Posts and see only opinion not once has he tried to warp his opinion as fact.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/world-of-warcraft-15-million-and-counting-6120659

That was nearly almost the same time frame from launch until that announcement as GW2's launch to the announcement of 3mil. Obviously the numbers today are different then what they were before since many more people are playing MMOs, but the fact still stands: GW2 is currently the fastest selling MMO to date.

THis was posted Sept 9th, of last year a full 10 days after the launch of Guild Wars 2

http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a404374/feature-top-five-most-influential-modern-mmorpgs.html

The MMO's they listed are Guild Wars 1, EVE Online, Final Fantasy XI, Star Wars the Old Republic, and WOW

Another SOurce:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115658-The-Old-Republic-Becomes-the-Fastest-Growing-MMO-Ever

And another:

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/02/01/the-old-republic-is-the-fastest-growing-subscription-mmo-in-history-has-1-7-million-subscribers/

3 Completely different Websites with 3 Completely different authors and all 3 of them proving you wrong. Oh and just for the record I got these links by typing in to google "what is the fastest growing mmo". I got 1,220,000 results back and every link on the first page alone lacked anything to do with Guild Wars 2.

"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"

  Volkon

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Posts: 3813

Facts do not require fiction for balance.

2/06/13 1:42:29 PM#53
Originally posted by akiira69

THis was posted Sept 9th, of last year a full 10 days after the launch of Guild Wars 2

http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a404374/feature-top-five-most-influential-modern-mmorpgs.html

The MMO's they listed are Guild Wars 1, EVE Online, Final Fantasy XI, Star Wars the Old Republic, and WOW

Another SOurce:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115658-The-Old-Republic-Becomes-the-Fastest-Growing-MMO-Ever

And another:

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/02/01/the-old-republic-is-the-fastest-growing-subscription-mmo-in-history-has-1-7-million-subscribers/

3 Completely different Websites with 3 Completely different authors and all 3 of them proving you wrong.

Out of curiosity, don't those Old Republic ones pre-date the release of GW2? Of course something had to be the fastest selling ever before GW2 was released. Just saying that whether or not the claims of GW2 being fastest selling ever are true, those sites don't have any validity in the argument. As a matter of fact... that 1.7 million is less than the 2 million GW2 coughed out. 

 

The five most influencial... that's only a few days after GW2 release, it hardly had time to get on the "most influencial" list, nor is that list relevant to sales.

Oderint, dum metuant.

  akiira69

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Joined: 3/28/07
Posts: 525

Need longer quote limits.

2/06/13 1:49:17 PM#54
Originally posted by Volkon
Originally posted by akiira69

THis was posted Sept 9th, of last year a full 10 days after the launch of Guild Wars 2

http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a404374/feature-top-five-most-influential-modern-mmorpgs.html

The MMO's they listed are Guild Wars 1, EVE Online, Final Fantasy XI, Star Wars the Old Republic, and WOW

Another SOurce:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115658-The-Old-Republic-Becomes-the-Fastest-Growing-MMO-Ever

And another:

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/02/01/the-old-republic-is-the-fastest-growing-subscription-mmo-in-history-has-1-7-million-subscribers/

3 Completely different Websites with 3 Completely different authors and all 3 of them proving you wrong.

Out of curiosity, don't those Old Republic ones pre-date the release of GW2? Of course something had to be the fastest selling ever before GW2 was released. Just saying that whether or not the claims of GW2 being fastest selling ever are true, those sites don't have any validity in the argument. As a matter of fact... that 1.7 million is less than the 2 million GW2 coughed out. 

 

The five most influencial... that's only a few days after GW2 release, it hardly had time to get on the "most influencial" list, nor is that list relevant to sales.

this is the results of my search for "What is the fastest growing mmo" no where is guild wars 2 even mentioned. Even when I added in 2012 Guild Wars 2 isnt mentioned.

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+fastest+growing+mmo&oq=what+is+the+fastest+growing+mmo&aqs=chrome.0.57j62l2.13093&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=what+is+the+fastest+growing+mmorpg&oq=what+is+the+fastest+growing+mmo&gs_l=serp.3.0.33i29.18383.19444.1.21460.5.5.0.0.0.2.233.818.1j3j1.5.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.2.serp.hnBC5nTKWkA&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=e1f9056ea2a790b0&biw=1680&bih=925

"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"

  Celcius

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Joined: 7/20/04
Posts: 932

2/06/13 1:54:33 PM#55
Originally posted by akiira69
Originally posted by Celcius
Originally posted by akiira69
Originally posted by Celcius
Originally posted by iamthekiller
Originally posted by Celcius
Originally posted by iamthekiller
Originally posted by Celcius
No one claims that games will "kill WoW"; these are just things people like to say when backing up an ill formed argument about a game not meeting their expectations. I personally think WoW is complete garbage and so is MoP, but hey thats my opinion. Fact is that the game is earning ArenaNet and NC Soft hand over fist and they have sold over 3million copies already, making it the fastest selling MMO to date. Take that for what you will, but I don't really see how anyone with any sense can deny the success of GW2. 

I didn't really mention how well it did do or didn't. I know MOP sold more then 3 million copies in a week though. I think that is probably faster then GW2. Im not knocking people who like the game at all...im not saying it's unsuccessful...it's succesfull for a mediocre game for sure..a real record setter!

An expansion is different then a game release. Saying your MMO sold 3 million copies in a week which was the first time the game did not break a previous record for sales and with an installed user base of 10 million doesn't mean anything. It was not the fastest selling MMO of all time, GW2 was and still is. Nice try though, considering you started your post off by claiming you did not mention how well it did yet still replied to me by claiming GW2's numbers were not as significant as I claim. 

You can't state your opinion as fact and claim I cannot defend your argument with facts. You like WoW and you don't like GW2..who cares. The fact is that GW2 has sold faster then any other MMO does not change. You can claim it is mediocre all you want though. That is your opinion. Unfortunately for you they already got your money so you basically voted for the game being a winner. Thanks for your contribution towards my current and future content patches for the game I enjoy. 

I never once stated my opinion as fact. I actually went out of my way to specifically say it was my opinion and it wasn't popular. Your attitude is quite amusing though, you come in here attacking me because you want to make sure everyone knows GW2 wasn't a failure...but I never said it was..you seem like you know deep down it's mediore but don't want to admit it to yourself.

 

As far as MOP being different because it's an expansion...that's pretty much something you made up to rationalize your viewpoint that GW2 is the fastest selling MMO of all time when it's not. MOP is...you don't get to discount it for subjective reasons. Or can you point me in the direction of the rulebook that defines these things? Did obama sign a executive action declaring expansions for mmo's don't count as mmo release's?

 

All that aside, if you don't care about the topic of my thread why post? Why not just go on with your life? GW2 isn't gonna magically become a good game because your white knighting it.

 

Actually, you attacked the game with really poor arguments that do not constitute logic or well formed thought; which is what I meant by you claiming your opinions as fact. Saying "its successful for a mediocre game" is one of those poor arguments where you do as such. So yeah, I will defend the game from baseless arguments as simple as it being called "a mediocre success".

GW2 sold faster then any other MMO to date and you cannot dispute that. MoP is a fast selling expansion, but it is not a launch MMO. WoW did not have this high of a sell through rate at this point in the game's life span, thus making GW2 outsell it. It is pretty undisputable logic. GW2 at 5 months = 3 million sold WoW at 5 months = not 3 million sold. GW2 clearly sold copies faster. End of that story. 

The end of your thread is you once again stating your opinion as fact. Claiming the game is not going to become good. I also post to make people like yourself look like blundering bafoons.

Only 3 Mill sales makes the fastest growing MMO to date? WoW Vanilla Launch beat that in its launch. When WoW Vanilla Launched if you could find a GameStop that had a Copy of it you were lucky. On the day of GW2 Launch I was going from GameStop to GameStop looking for a copy of ME3(I think I went to 6 and ended up going to BestBuy to get it) and every GameStop I went to had 3 Shelves of Game Boxes for GW2. And lets not forget the fact that WoW has close to 11 Million Active Subscribers how many does GW2 have? One last thing the only person stating anything as fact is you I have read the OP's Posts and see only opinion not once has he tried to warp his opinion as fact.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/world-of-warcraft-15-million-and-counting-6120659

That was nearly almost the same time frame from launch until that announcement as GW2's launch to the announcement of 3mil. Obviously the numbers today are different then what they were before since many more people are playing MMOs, but the fact still stands: GW2 is currently the fastest selling MMO to date.

THis was posted Sept 9th, of last year a full 10 days after the launch of Guild Wars 2

http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a404374/feature-top-five-most-influential-modern-mmorpgs.html

The MMO's they listed are Guild Wars 1, EVE Online, Final Fantasy XI, Star Wars the Old Republic, and WOW

Another SOurce:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115658-The-Old-Republic-Becomes-the-Fastest-Growing-MMO-Ever

And another:

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/02/01/the-old-republic-is-the-fastest-growing-subscription-mmo-in-history-has-1-7-million-subscribers/

3 Completely different Websites with 3 Completely different authors and all 3 of them proving you wrong. Oh and just for the record I got these links by typing in to google "what is the fastest growing mmo". I got 1,220,000 results back and every link on the first page alone lacked anything to do with Guild Wars 2.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/guild-wars-ii-sells-3-million-copies-6402432

3 million.5 months.  Fastest selling ever. The first post you linked didn't even have any numbers in it related to the fastest selling mmo other then SWTOR. Yes, SWTOR was the fastest selling MMO at that point. Since SWTOR only ended up selling a little over a million they obviously slowed down to the point where they were no longer the fastest. The second article is in the same boat and so is the 3rd. Funny how all the haters come out of the woodwork because they can't fathom that people like a game they do and that it can't be successful without them. It is just adorable!

  bliss14

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Ahh devil ether.

2/06/13 1:55:18 PM#56
Originally posted by akiira69

Only 3 Mill sales makes the fastest growing MMO to date? WoW Vanilla Launch beat that in its launch. When WoW Vanilla Launched if you could find a GameStop that had a Copy of it you were lucky. On the day of GW2 Launch I was going from GameStop to GameStop looking for a copy of ME3(I think I went to 6 and ended up going to BestBuy to get it) and every GameStop I went to had 3 Shelves of Game Boxes for GW2. And lets not forget the fact that WoW has close to 11 Million Active Subscribers how many does GW2 have? One last thing the only person stating anything as fact is you I have read the OP's Posts and see only opinion not once has he tried to warp his opinion as fact.

Two words:  Digital Downloads.  This here day and age aint the same as them good ol' days.

  Volkon

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Joined: 9/14/10
Posts: 3813

Facts do not require fiction for balance.

2/06/13 1:55:56 PM#57
Originally posted by akiira69
Originally posted by Volkon
Originally posted by akiira69

THis was posted Sept 9th, of last year a full 10 days after the launch of Guild Wars 2

http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a404374/feature-top-five-most-influential-modern-mmorpgs.html

The MMO's they listed are Guild Wars 1, EVE Online, Final Fantasy XI, Star Wars the Old Republic, and WOW

Another SOurce:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115658-The-Old-Republic-Becomes-the-Fastest-Growing-MMO-Ever

And another:

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/02/01/the-old-republic-is-the-fastest-growing-subscription-mmo-in-history-has-1-7-million-subscribers/

3 Completely different Websites with 3 Completely different authors and all 3 of them proving you wrong.

Out of curiosity, don't those Old Republic ones pre-date the release of GW2? Of course something had to be the fastest selling ever before GW2 was released. Just saying that whether or not the claims of GW2 being fastest selling ever are true, those sites don't have any validity in the argument. As a matter of fact... that 1.7 million is less than the 2 million GW2 coughed out. 

 

The five most influencial... that's only a few days after GW2 release, it hardly had time to get on the "most influencial" list, nor is that list relevant to sales.

this is the results of my search for "What is the fastest growing mmo" no where is guild wars 2 even mentioned. Even when I added in 2012 Guild Wars 2 isnt mentioned.

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+fastest+growing+mmo&oq=what+is+the+fastest+growing+mmo&aqs=chrome.0.57j62l2.13093&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=what+is+the+fastest+growing+mmorpg&oq=what+is+the+fastest+growing+mmo&gs_l=serp.3.0.33i29.18383.19444.1.21460.5.5.0.0.0.2.233.818.1j3j1.5.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.2.serp.hnBC5nTKWkA&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=e1f9056ea2a790b0&biw=1680&bih=925

Ah, OK, I see what you did there. Tried it myself, same results. When I did with GW2, though, this came up...

 

 

How are things going in GW2?

  • Interesting life cycle in a MMO – once a MMO comes out, you immediately become a MMO service provider. Once a MMO launches, you have that peak concurrency right off the bat, then population drops down and it settles into the core player base, then that core population slowly decline every month after that.
  • If you look at EVE, WoW, those are great examples of games that settled into their base population after launch and then every month start to grow a bit. All the other games that weren’t as successful hit their base point and started to drop off a bit.
  • We actually hit our base point with GW2 where for a month we saw the same login numbers and every week for the last 5 weeks it has being slowly going up and that is really exciting for us.
  • We are the fastest selling MMO ever made – to get to 3 million copies (maybe not including China). The game is doing better than we ever imagined it could

 

Caveat - I think this can be read as the fastest ever to 3 million? Hard to tell...

Oderint, dum metuant.

  Schoeneck93

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Posts: 71

2/06/13 1:56:34 PM#58

Promised to kill WoW? 

 

Absolutely NONE of the developers claimed it would kill WoW. This is just the COMMUNITY, and people like yourself who claimed Guild Wars 2 would kill WoW. Or more so, people like youreslf who read posts from the community who say its going to kill WoW then hold it against a bunch of silly teenagers, like they actually know what their talking about. They were excited for something that's been up and coming to GW fans for quite some time. That's all that was.

 

Aside from that, TONS of people still play, they are coming out with new content as we speak, and changing how things are done. They have been talking about a new WvW map. These sorts of things. I'll go back to check it out for sure. But, I have some serious game ADD, its hard for me to play ANY game for long. Guild Wars was an exception, but Guild Wars 2 is just in the prime of my game ADD so I can't seem to manage to play it for long at any time. 

 

Truly though, it's a good game. A very SOLID game. I think the devs did a fuckin' amazing job on that game. And what game ISN'T HYPED at first? That's the point of advertising. To get people excited, and ready for a launch. Ya know. There's absolutely nothing wrong with hyping a game up. 

I refuse to believe that you've nevre hyped anything up to be better than it actually is to friends or something, simply because YOU are excited about it. 

  Celcius

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2/06/13 1:56:47 PM#59
Originally posted by bliss14
Originally posted by akiira69

Only 3 Mill sales makes the fastest growing MMO to date? WoW Vanilla Launch beat that in its launch. When WoW Vanilla Launched if you could find a GameStop that had a Copy of it you were lucky. On the day of GW2 Launch I was going from GameStop to GameStop looking for a copy of ME3(I think I went to 6 and ended up going to BestBuy to get it) and every GameStop I went to had 3 Shelves of Game Boxes for GW2. And lets not forget the fact that WoW has close to 11 Million Active Subscribers how many does GW2 have? One last thing the only person stating anything as fact is you I have read the OP's Posts and see only opinion not once has he tried to warp his opinion as fact.

Two words:  Digital Downloads.  This here day and age aint the same as them good ol' days.

Yeah seriously. The pc game section of my gamestop is like one side rack on a shelf. 

  BeansnBread

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2/06/13 2:04:14 PM#60
Originally posted by akiira69
Originally posted by Volkon
Originally posted by akiira69

THis was posted Sept 9th, of last year a full 10 days after the launch of Guild Wars 2

http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a404374/feature-top-five-most-influential-modern-mmorpgs.html

The MMO's they listed are Guild Wars 1, EVE Online, Final Fantasy XI, Star Wars the Old Republic, and WOW

Another SOurce:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115658-The-Old-Republic-Becomes-the-Fastest-Growing-MMO-Ever

And another:

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/02/01/the-old-republic-is-the-fastest-growing-subscription-mmo-in-history-has-1-7-million-subscribers/

3 Completely different Websites with 3 Completely different authors and all 3 of them proving you wrong.

Out of curiosity, don't those Old Republic ones pre-date the release of GW2? Of course something had to be the fastest selling ever before GW2 was released. Just saying that whether or not the claims of GW2 being fastest selling ever are true, those sites don't have any validity in the argument. As a matter of fact... that 1.7 million is less than the 2 million GW2 coughed out. 

 

The five most influencial... that's only a few days after GW2 release, it hardly had time to get on the "most influencial" list, nor is that list relevant to sales.

this is the results of my search for "What is the fastest growing mmo" no where is guild wars 2 even mentioned. Even when I added in 2012 Guild Wars 2 isnt mentioned.

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+fastest+growing+mmo&oq=what+is+the+fastest+growing+mmo&aqs=chrome.0.57j62l2.13093&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=what+is+the+fastest+growing+mmorpg&oq=what+is+the+fastest+growing+mmo&gs_l=serp.3.0.33i29.18383.19444.1.21460.5.5.0.0.0.2.233.818.1j3j1.5.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.2.serp.hnBC5nTKWkA&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=e1f9056ea2a790b0&biw=1680&bih=925

Why are you having difficulty accepting that up till this point, from release to 5 months later, GW2 is the fastest growing MMORPG ever? The span between the 2 million mark and the 3 million mark was actually pretty impressive.

 

It's still selling copies too. GW2 is still 10th on Amazon overall for best selling PC games. That's pretty impressive for 5 months after release.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

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