Originally posted by neobahamut20

 

WvW is always the same, Stalemate or one-sided. I appreciate their attempt at making it work though. It confirms my doubts about a direct 3-faction system done in that fashion. It doesnt help that it includes jumping puzzles, for example, which when combined with player caps makes for unbalanced teams.

 

Just as an aside, have you checked out this weeks T1 match between JQ, SoR and SoS? Easily one of the best matches I've been in in awhile... all three sides are tenacious and going for the win. It's been an absolute blast.

Originally posted by iamthekiller

Well I think it's safe to say it didn't kill WOW like some claimed it would. I personally played for a month or so and got an ele to lvl 80..I did all the dungeons once or twice and started pvping..I did that for a couple weeks before I realized it was really boring and not fun. I haven't played since and that was couple months ago...

 

I went back to WOW after a really long break..like since wrath release and I was actually pleased with what I found. I think Pandaland alone is better then GW2 in it's entirety....I realize thats probably not a popular opinion but it's mine.

 

That being said, what could bring me back to the world of Tyria? Honestly nothing short of a blumpkin from the devs...

Well its obvious that the game was not gonna kill WoW and no one in their right mind said otherwise.  If you listed to anyone who said as much then that is your own silly fault.  But the obvious truth is it did take a great number of subscriptions from WoW seeing as it outsold WoW for the first 2-3 months and Pandaland is considered the poorest selling xpac to date.  The only conclusion is GW2 did take away alot of sales.

Originally posted by iamthekiller

That being said, what could bring me back to the world of Tyria? Honestly nothing short of a blumpkin from the devs...

Nothing can bring me back. I treated GW2 like the game it was. It was like a console game. I beat it then moved on. It's just not a good mmorpg. Perhaps too themepark for me, too.

Originally posted by Tayah

Originally posted by iamthekiller

That being said, what could bring me back to the world of Tyria? Honestly nothing short of a blumpkin from the devs...

Nothing can bring me back. I treated GW2 like the game it was. It was like a console game. I beat it then moved on. It's just not a good mmorpg. Perhaps too themepark for me, too.

Do we really need another 'I got bored of game A, Game B is great'  thread? 

Originally posted by Ghern

Originally posted by iamthekiller

Originally posted by Celcius

Originally posted by iamthekiller

Originally posted by Celcius
No one claims that games will "kill WoW"; these are just things people like to say when backing up an ill formed argument about a game not meeting their expectations. I personally think WoW is complete garbage and so is MoP, but hey thats my opinion. Fact is that the game is earning ArenaNet and NC Soft hand over fist and they have sold over 3million copies already, making it the fastest selling MMO to date. Take that for what you will, but I don't really see how anyone with any sense can deny the success of GW2. 

I didn't really mention how well it did do or didn't. I know MOP sold more then 3 million copies in a week though. I think that is probably faster then GW2. Im not knocking people who like the game at all...im not saying it's unsuccessful...it's succesfull for a mediocre game for sure..a real record setter!

An expansion is different then a game release. Saying your MMO sold 3 million copies in a week which was the first time the game did not break a previous record for sales and with an installed user base of 10 million doesn't mean anything. It was not the fastest selling MMO of all time, GW2 was and still is. Nice try though, considering you started your post off by claiming you did not mention how well it did yet still replied to me by claiming GW2's numbers were not as significant as I claim. 

You can't state your opinion as fact and claim I cannot defend your argument with facts. You like WoW and you don't like GW2..who cares. The fact is that GW2 has sold faster then any other MMO does not change. You can claim it is mediocre all you want though. That is your opinion. Unfortunately for you they already got your money so you basically voted for the game being a winner. Thanks for your contribution towards my current and future content patches for the game I enjoy. 

GW2 isn't gonna magically become a good game because your white knighting it.

 

A lot of people feel GW2 is a good game. Are they wrong? Why is your opinion the correct one?

What makes your negative opinion of the game more valid than a dissenting  positive opinion?

I became bored in GW2 after 2 months and haven't gone back.

I don't rant about how the game is not good, it's just not for me.

Maybe, just maybe there are good games out there that just do not appeal to you.

If a game doesn't appeal to me and I don't find it fun..It isn't a good game to me. Im not gonna preface every statement I make about GW2 with..."Don't worry you sensitive fanbois, GW2 is actually a good game but here is why I don't like it." Frankly, I already said in my OP this was my opinion...yet people come into this thread accusing me of stating opinions as facts..I say thats just them being insecure because what Im saying is striking a nerve. I mean I honestly don't know what else to do...if I preface what im saying with "THIS IS MY OPINION" and people still accuse me of making up facts.

I've recently gone back and the game is in a much better place - it's simply more fun than it was before.

I've just started exploring Orr which is fun - and apparently I'm a genius because Orr was really awful before?

sPvP is a lot of fun.

WvW still needs some major work IMO, but hopefully the big March update helps.

I really like the Living Story and can't wait to play the next chapters.

The game REALLY needs an in-game top-notch cross-realm LFG tool for dungeons/fractals.

Right now everyone seems to be using a 3rd party website, which is a huge turn off for me. The need is obviously there to do the same in game Anet.

I really hope they add in a WoW-like LFD tool when the next phase of dungeon fixes/tweaks comes out.

Beyond that, I'm still hopeful for more weapons and maybe weapon skills per weapon in the first expansion to make it a but more mix and match like GW1 was.

As it stands now, I don't really like the way the secondaries / elite skills work and I don't like the hard-set weapon skills.

Now that they've got guesting enabled, I also think they should do what WoW did and make the leveling zones cross realm to host a much healthier population across all zones.

Originally posted by iamthekiller

Originally posted by Celcius

Originally posted by iamthekiller

Originally posted by Celcius
No one claims that games will "kill WoW"; these are just things people like to say when backing up an ill formed argument about a game not meeting their expectations. I personally think WoW is complete garbage and so is MoP, but hey thats my opinion. Fact is that the game is earning ArenaNet and NC Soft hand over fist and they have sold over 3million copies already, making it the fastest selling MMO to date. Take that for what you will, but I don't really see how anyone with any sense can deny the success of GW2. 

I didn't really mention how well it did do or didn't. I know MOP sold more then 3 million copies in a week though. I think that is probably faster then GW2. Im not knocking people who like the game at all...im not saying it's unsuccessful...it's succesfull for a mediocre game for sure..a real record setter!

An expansion is different then a game release. Saying your MMO sold 3 million copies in a week which was the first time the game did not break a previous record for sales and with an installed user base of 10 million doesn't mean anything. It was not the fastest selling MMO of all time, GW2 was and still is. Nice try though, considering you started your post off by claiming you did not mention how well it did yet still replied to me by claiming GW2's numbers were not as significant as I claim. 

You can't state your opinion as fact and claim I cannot defend your argument with facts. You like WoW and you don't like GW2..who cares. The fact is that GW2 has sold faster then any other MMO does not change. You can claim it is mediocre all you want though. That is your opinion. Unfortunately for you they already got your money so you basically voted for the game being a winner. Thanks for your contribution towards my current and future content patches for the game I enjoy. 

I never once stated my opinion as fact. I actually went out of my way to specifically say it was my opinion and it wasn't popular. Your attitude is quite amusing though, you come in here attacking me because you want to make sure everyone knows GW2 wasn't a failure...but I never said it was..you seem like you know deep down it's mediore but don't want to admit it to yourself.

 

As far as MOP being different because it's an expansion...that's pretty much something you made up to rationalize your viewpoint that GW2 is the fastest selling MMO of all time when it's not. MOP is...you don't get to discount it for subjective reasons. Or can you point me in the direction of the rulebook that defines these things? Did obama sign a executive action declaring expansions for mmo's don't count as mmo release's?

 

All that aside, if you don't care about the topic of my thread why post? Why not just go on with your life? GW2 isn't gonna magically become a good game because your white knighting it.

 

Actually, you attacked the game with really poor arguments that do not constitute logic or well formed thought; which is what I meant by you claiming your opinions as fact. Saying "its successful for a mediocre game" is one of those poor arguments where you do as such. So yeah, I will defend the game from baseless arguments as simple as it being called "a mediocre success".

GW2 sold faster then any other MMO to date and you cannot dispute that. MoP is a fast selling expansion, but it is not a launch MMO. WoW did not have this high of a sell through rate at this point in the game's life span, thus making GW2 outsell it. It is pretty undisputable logic. GW2 at 5 months = 3 million sold WoW at 5 months = not 3 million sold. GW2 clearly sold copies faster. End of that story. 

The end of your thread is you once again stating your opinion as fact. Claiming the game is not going to become good. I also post to make people like yourself look like blundering bafoons.

I think it's a good game in the sense that they provided a lot of quality of life features and it felt like a new game, unlike SWTOR which felt dated at launch. But I really don't understand how people can play for 4-5 hours a day.

Leveling was OK but I felt that I got all my abilities way too soon, I didn't have enough abilities to choose from and only a couple of builds were viable. It's a good game for alts because of the different starting zones. The story is TERRIBLE, my characters were thief and necromancer yet I'm acting like a pussy trying to protect the innocent.... It was almost insultingly bad, like it was written for young children.

At endgame you get your + 'magic find' gear, farm events and run dungeons, with pugs. I saved up for the human t3 cultural in a couple of weeks, got the stats and weapons from explorable dungeons. What else is there to do?

I realize there is WvW but I found it boring, I'm sure it would be more fun as a guild but still not my cup of tea. 

Originally posted by Total_Hunt

I think it's a good game in the sense that they provided a lot of quality of life features and it felt like a new game, unlike SWTOR which felt dated at launch. But I really don't understand how people can play for 4-5 hours a day.

 

Leveling was OK but I felt that I got all my abilities way too soon, I didn't have enough abilities to choose from and only a couple of builds were viable. It's a good game for alts because of the different starting zones. The story is TERRIBLE, my characters were thief and necromancer yet I'm acting like a pussy trying to protect the innocent.... It was almost insultingly bad, like it was written for young children.

 

At endgame you get your + 'magic find' gear, farm events and run dungeons, with pugs. I saved up for the human t3 cultural in a couple of weeks, got the stats and weapons from explorable dungeons. What else is there to do?

 

I realize there is WvW but I found it boring, I'm sure it would be more fun as a guild but still not my cup of tea. 

 

 

This is a prime example of what is defined as an opinion not being stated as a fact. Kudos for a post that shows knowledge of the game that demonstrates why you do not like it other then simply saying 2 lines of ignorant dribble. 

I'm in the same boat, I started with high hopes for GW2 but always knew I would be back playing WoW when the expansion came out. WoW can definitely get old but I just through some F2P games in there and go back to WoW  when I need a fix.

Works out pretty good if you ask me. As far as going back to GW2 I'm fairly sure that will never happen. If they can't pull me back before a expansion I won't ever get back into that game.

Originally posted by Tayah

Originally posted by iamthekiller

That being said, what could bring me back to the world of Tyria? Honestly nothing short of a blumpkin from the devs...

Nothing can bring me back. I treated GW2 like the game it was. It was like a console game. I beat it then moved on. It's just not a good mmorpg. Perhaps too themepark for me, too.

How do you "beat" Guild Wars 2? Completing the personal story? Many people play and scarcely touch that. Win in WvW? Happens every week. Get your ascended gear from Fractals or the new Daily/Monthly rewards?

This is puzzling. How do you "beat" an MMO, especially one that's constantly changing?

Originally posted by BadSpock

I've recently gone back and the game is in a much better place - it's simply more fun than it was before.

I've just started exploring Orr which is fun - and apparently I'm a genius because Orr was really awful before?

sPvP is a lot of fun.

WvW still needs some major work IMO, but hopefully the big March update helps.

I really like the Living Story and can't wait to play the next chapters.

The game REALLY needs an in-game top-notch cross-realm LFG tool for dungeons/fractals.

Right now everyone seems to be using a 3rd party website, which is a huge turn off for me. The need is obviously there to do the same in game Anet.

I really hope they add in a WoW-like LFD tool when the next phase of dungeon fixes/tweaks comes out.

Beyond that, I'm still hopeful for more weapons and maybe weapon skills per weapon in the first expansion to make it a but more mix and match like GW1 was.

As it stands now, I don't really like the way the secondaries / elite skills work and I don't like the hard-set weapon skills.

Now that they've got guesting enabled, I also think they should do what WoW did and make the leveling zones cross realm to host a much healthier population across all zones.

Spock... you can always ask in guild for people willing to do Fractals/ Dungeons... 

Originally posted by iamthekiller

Originally posted by Celcius
No one claims that games will "kill WoW"; these are just things people like to say when backing up an ill formed argument about a game not meeting their expectations. I personally think WoW is complete garbage and so is MoP, but hey thats my opinion. Fact is that the game is earning ArenaNet and NC Soft hand over fist and they have sold over 3million copies already, making it the fastest selling MMO to date. Take that for what you will, but I don't really see how anyone with any sense can deny the success of GW2. 

I didn't really mention how well it did do or didn't. I know MOP sold more then 3 million copies in a week though. I think that is probably faster then GW2. Im not knocking people who like the game at all...im not saying it's unsuccessful...it's succesfull for a mediocre game for sure..a real record setter!

Yeah and when a game that CLAIMS to have a 10 million subscriber base, and they only sell 3 million copies, that is a magnificent kick to the junk. 

GW2's combat is better then most other combats. 

I have a long history of MMO's, from 7 years of EQ, to 3 years of DAoC, and 5 years of WoW ... with numerous other MMO's tossed in. 

GW2 does a lot of things right, and very little wrong.

Few improvement they could make would be things like Group Finder, WvW improvements( on slate), instanced housing, Fishing, .... basically mostly fluff items to improve quality of life.

As long as they keep evolving the story and making bugs fixes the game will flourish.

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by BadSpock

I've recently gone back and the game is in a much better place - it's simply more fun than it was before.

I've just started exploring Orr which is fun - and apparently I'm a genius because Orr was really awful before?

sPvP is a lot of fun.

WvW still needs some major work IMO, but hopefully the big March update helps.

I really like the Living Story and can't wait to play the next chapters.

The game REALLY needs an in-game top-notch cross-realm LFG tool for dungeons/fractals.

Right now everyone seems to be using a 3rd party website, which is a huge turn off for me. The need is obviously there to do the same in game Anet.

I really hope they add in a WoW-like LFD tool when the next phase of dungeon fixes/tweaks comes out.

Beyond that, I'm still hopeful for more weapons and maybe weapon skills per weapon in the first expansion to make it a but more mix and match like GW1 was.

As it stands now, I don't really like the way the secondaries / elite skills work and I don't like the hard-set weapon skills.

Now that they've got guesting enabled, I also think they should do what WoW did and make the leveling zones cross realm to host a much healthier population across all zones.

Spock... you can always ask in guild for people willing to do Fractals/ Dungeons... 

I cannot express this enough guys. This is by far the most useful tool you can use for finding a group. Honestly, having used it alot to find groups I can say that a group finding system would be a waste of development time at this point. They should just hire the guy who made this site. Gw2lfg.com  You can make groups like instantly and I am not even kidding. You post what you are looking for and can specify dungeon,ect. 

Well you know my thoughts.  It met the hype for me; I was excited about a game for the first time in a decade and it didn't disappoint.  Sure there were a few things I'd like to be changed like the lack of account-bound dyes, but otherwise, I love the combat, the collecting, the gameplay and the community (in-game anyway, the official forums are clogged with smug A-holes from what I've read.. I don't post there).  Even the story and voice overs grow on you after a while (except the Norn female, who still sounds like she has way too much testosterone for her own good).

So yeah... and I'd be playing right now if yet another gaming computer hadn't bit the dust recently.  I am not having very much luck with pc's lately.  Managed to get two characters to 80 though lol

Originally posted by Celcius

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by BadSpock

I've recently gone back and the game is in a much better place - it's simply more fun than it was before.

I've just started exploring Orr which is fun - and apparently I'm a genius because Orr was really awful before?

sPvP is a lot of fun.

WvW still needs some major work IMO, but hopefully the big March update helps.

I really like the Living Story and can't wait to play the next chapters.

The game REALLY needs an in-game top-notch cross-realm LFG tool for dungeons/fractals.

Right now everyone seems to be using a 3rd party website, which is a huge turn off for me. The need is obviously there to do the same in game Anet.

I really hope they add in a WoW-like LFD tool when the next phase of dungeon fixes/tweaks comes out.

Beyond that, I'm still hopeful for more weapons and maybe weapon skills per weapon in the first expansion to make it a but more mix and match like GW1 was.

As it stands now, I don't really like the way the secondaries / elite skills work and I don't like the hard-set weapon skills.

Now that they've got guesting enabled, I also think they should do what WoW did and make the leveling zones cross realm to host a much healthier population across all zones.

Spock... you can always ask in guild for people willing to do Fractals/ Dungeons... 

I cannot express this enough guys. This is by far the most useful tool you can use for finding a group. Honestly, having used it alot to find groups I can say that a group finding system would be a waste of development time at this point. They should just hire the guy who made this site. Gw2lfg.com  You can make groups like instantly and I am not even kidding. You post what you are looking for and can specify dungeon,ect. 

I agree... I've used that site a couple times for Fractals runs and it's surprising how quickly you get invites in game. I normally ask within guild or chat, but that site works wonders when you need it.

Originally posted by BadSpock

I've recently gone back and the game is in a much better place - it's simply more fun than it was before.

I've just started exploring Orr which is fun - and apparently I'm a genius because Orr was really awful before?

sPvP is a lot of fun.

WvW still needs some major work IMO, but hopefully the big March update helps.

I really like the Living Story and can't wait to play the next chapters.

The game REALLY needs an in-game top-notch cross-realm LFG tool for dungeons/fractals.

Right now everyone seems to be using a 3rd party website, which is a huge turn off for me. The need is obviously there to do the same in game Anet.

I really hope they add in a WoW-like LFD tool when the next phase of dungeon fixes/tweaks comes out.

Beyond that, I'm still hopeful for more weapons and maybe weapon skills per weapon in the first expansion to make it a but more mix and match like GW1 was.

As it stands now, I don't really like the way the secondaries / elite skills work and I don't like the hard-set weapon skills.

Now that they've got guesting enabled, I also think they should do what WoW did and make the leveling zones cross realm to host a much healthier population across all zones.

This is a good post.  The points in orange especially stand out to me.  The last point though I think is a great suggestion and I would take it one step further.  They need to make pve zones one area with layers like STO.  The layers could be named after your server and could be your default, but it should be easy to group up and join any layer together with your team mates.

More configurable weapon skills would be nice as well.

That third party site thing I'm sure works well for lots of people, but I hate that sort of thing.  I don't want to jump through hoops and go through a third party just to play my game.  I would rather just not run dungeons.

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by Celcius

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by BadSpock

I've recently gone back and the game is in a much better place - it's simply more fun than it was before.

I've just started exploring Orr which is fun - and apparently I'm a genius because Orr was really awful before?

sPvP is a lot of fun.

WvW still needs some major work IMO, but hopefully the big March update helps.

I really like the Living Story and can't wait to play the next chapters.

The game REALLY needs an in-game top-notch cross-realm LFG tool for dungeons/fractals.

Right now everyone seems to be using a 3rd party website, which is a huge turn off for me. The need is obviously there to do the same in game Anet.

I really hope they add in a WoW-like LFD tool when the next phase of dungeon fixes/tweaks comes out.

Beyond that, I'm still hopeful for more weapons and maybe weapon skills per weapon in the first expansion to make it a but more mix and match like GW1 was.

As it stands now, I don't really like the way the secondaries / elite skills work and I don't like the hard-set weapon skills.

Now that they've got guesting enabled, I also think they should do what WoW did and make the leveling zones cross realm to host a much healthier population across all zones.

Spock... you can always ask in guild for people willing to do Fractals/ Dungeons... 

I cannot express this enough guys. This is by far the most useful tool you can use for finding a group. Honestly, having used it alot to find groups I can say that a group finding system would be a waste of development time at this point. They should just hire the guy who made this site. Gw2lfg.com  You can make groups like instantly and I am not even kidding. You post what you are looking for and can specify dungeon,ect. 

I agree... I've used that site a couple times for Fractals runs and it's surprising how quickly you get invites in game. I normally ask within guild or chat, but that site works wonders when you need it.

I'd love to set up a dungeon play date sometime!

I'm level 80 and I've done the Ghosts of Ascalon story mode once and maybe like two of the explorables? That's it.

I really do need to be proactive and find guildies interesting in tagging along.

Kind of want to finish the personal story first though... but I barely have enough time in the day to do the daily achieves for PvE and PvP and also have time to do a dungeon or personal story chapter.

Originally posted by neobahamut20

Originally posted by Zzad

After playing for more than 5 months,i can still say GW2 is by far the best MMO i´ve ever played!

And it just born....wait a couple of expansions ^^

 

When you make a post like that you are obliged to post your MMO resume so you can show that its not the first MMO you play for more than 3 months.

Ok.... I see your point...but i didn´t find it necessary...

Obviously GW2 is not my first MMO when i say that.... Been playing games since they were in cassettes for Spectrum...and I play mostly MMOs or RPG (my fav genres).

I played WoW for over 4 years...

Guild Wars...Aion...RIFT...Everquest 2...Star Trek Online...SWTOR...Tera...Age of Conan...Allods...Dc Universe Online...

and probably a couple more that din´t hook me enough for even mentioning ...

Currently playing also The Secret World along with GW2 ;)