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  Nadia

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2/06/13 6:31:26 AM#61
Originally posted by bobfish

it is hard to judge how GW2 is performing or will perform going forward, but this is a known problem with the B2P model and the reason many companies don't even consider adopting it. No business likes to be unpredictable.

in the short term,

we know GW2 sold 1 million, 6 weeks after release (Oct to Dec) - that is decent

 

offtopic,

I was surprised the financials were reported this week, historically its mid Feb

I was expecting Blizzards financials this week but who knows?

  dimnikar

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2/06/13 6:39:17 AM#62

We also know it sold 3 million up to the new year, which means it didn't keep the momentum of 1 million per week.

 

I'm pointing that out because you seem to think 6 week sales are indicative of long term sales. For some reason?

 

Edit: Activision-Blizzard Q4 report is due tomorrow. Looking forward to how they did considering how badly the industry's been doing (videogames as a whole, not MMO only).

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  Nadia

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2/06/13 6:46:36 AM#63
Originally posted by dimnikar

I'm pointing that out because you seem to think 6 week sales are indicative of long term sales. For some reason?

i never said anything about 1 million per week -- i said 1 millon for Q4

 

known facts:

GW2 has sold 3 million so far

GW2 had 1 million presales

GW2 sold 2 million for Q3

GW2 sold 1 million for Q4 -- a decent amount considering its well beyond launch period

 

 

  Vesavius

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2/06/13 7:04:15 AM#64
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Asamof
amazing how many people still play lineage 1

 

Is L1 still sub? or a F2P conversion?

As far as I know it's still a subscription based game.  If it's still the same model when I played here in the west, it truly is a sub game.  There was no box fee and no xpac / micro-transaction fees of any kind.  You sub bought you access to everything.  Stuff like server transfers and name changes == reroll.

I used to miss the game a lot until I played Tera which feels a lot like Lineage in some ways - action/arcade, drops, farming mobs, etc.  Even the loot drop pickup animation is very reminiscent of Lineage.  It looks like there was more than just design ideas in that code.

 

I like the idea of that as a revenue model... no box price, no cash shop, just a trial and then a sub if you want to play. I would love to see the industry go down this route more.

 

I am finding TERA surprisingly fun right now, must say.

 
 
  Gaia_Hunter

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2/06/13 7:25:34 AM#65
Originally posted by coretex666

Healthy earnings.

As a Big Four auditor, I move a little further in the report to P&L, perform analytical review, find out that the net income decreased by 61%.

You should take a look at COS as well. Sales on their own dont provide you with enough information to make a conclusion. Especially not the one that they are healthy.

Luckily we are here to discuss games not finance, right.

Net income increased 31%. The 61% decrease wasthe parent company only.

Their gross profit margin was 20% in 2012, with 20% in 3Q12 and 40% 4Q12.

I guess you should have moved a little bit further.

Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, King of Tokyo

  Brandis33

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"Why should we sneak in, when we can knock down the door and blindly kill everyone?"

2/06/13 7:47:43 AM#66
I couldn't possibly imagine why Time's #1 game of 2012, IGN's best MMO, best PC game, and best PC graphics of 2012 possibly be doign financially well! IT'S UNFATHOMABLE!
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  User Deleted
2/06/13 8:54:20 AM#67
Keep in mind this report is based on earnings BEFORE Pirate101 was named Game of the Year. GW2 will no doubt be shut down now that everyone has abandoned it for Pirate101.
  Volkon

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2/06/13 8:56:14 AM#68
Originally posted by mCalvert
Keep in mind this report is based on earnings BEFORE Pirate101 was named Game of the Year. GW2 will no doubt be shut down now that everyone has abandoned it for Pirate101.

I found the solution to that... I run around in Tyria yelling "Yarrrr!".

 

Best of both worlds.

Oderint, dum metuant.

  Gaia_Hunter

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2/06/13 9:17:49 AM#69
Originally posted by xArsonistx

As someone who has 900 hours gameplay and has played on both NA and EU.

3 million copies my ass.. That would mean you have people playing the game you don't. You might have 100k concurrent users and thats a big MAYBE.

Diablo 3 sold 8-10 m copies? we all saw how that turned out.

I dunno where or who this game sold 3 million copies too because the people are just not. People actualy believe what Anet says? a for profit company willing to do anything to make a buck? They have the biggest scapegoat in colin johnanson or w/e his name is...that guy will say or do anything with a smile.


Maybe they did sell 3 m copies but 2.9 million uninstalled.

 

"I've played this game for 900 hours, 2 level 80s, 50K WvW kills - this game is poo".

You've been playing 6 hours per day in a game you don't like and is empty and killing other players as well.

Ok.

 

Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, King of Tokyo

  User Deleted
2/06/13 9:23:51 AM#70
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by xArsonistx

As someone who has 900 hours gameplay and has played on both NA and EU.

3 million copies my ass.. That would mean you have people playing the game you don't. You might have 100k concurrent users and thats a big MAYBE.

Diablo 3 sold 8-10 m copies? we all saw how that turned out.

I dunno where or who this game sold 3 million copies too because the people are just not. People actualy believe what Anet says? a for profit company willing to do anything to make a buck? They have the biggest scapegoat in colin johnanson or w/e his name is...that guy will say or do anything with a smile.


Maybe they did sell 3 m copies but 2.9 million uninstalled.

 

"I've played this game for 900 hours, 2 level 80s, 50K WvW kills - this game is poo".

You've been playing 6 hours per day in a game you don't like and is empty and killing other players as well.

Ok.

 

People embellish their credentials thinking it somehow adds weight to their statement.  If I say, "I was on a plane once and the peanuts were terrible" it holds less weight than if I say, "I've been a commercial airline pilot for 15 years and the peanuts on planes are awful. Don't eat them."

  User Deleted
2/06/13 9:42:12 AM#71
Originally posted by Roxtarr
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by xArsonistx

As someone who has 900 hours gameplay and has played on both NA and EU.

3 million copies my ass.. That would mean you have people playing the game you don't. You might have 100k concurrent users and thats a big MAYBE.

Diablo 3 sold 8-10 m copies? we all saw how that turned out.

I dunno where or who this game sold 3 million copies too because the people are just not. People actualy believe what Anet says? a for profit company willing to do anything to make a buck? They have the biggest scapegoat in colin johnanson or w/e his name is...that guy will say or do anything with a smile.


Maybe they did sell 3 m copies but 2.9 million uninstalled.

 

"I've played this game for 900 hours, 2 level 80s, 50K WvW kills - this game is poo".

You've been playing 6 hours per day in a game you don't like and is empty and killing other players as well.

Ok.

 

People embellish their credentials thinking it somehow adds weight to their statement.  If I say, "I was on a plane once and the peanuts were terrible" it holds less weight than if I say, "I've been a commercial airline pilot for 15 years and the peanuts on planes are awful. Don't eat them."

 Yeah I still play the game, have 3 level 80s and my total playtime is still only 400 hours since launch. To say you hate the game and played 900 hours is mind boggling. Why would anyone dedicate that much time to something they hate?

  Sovrath

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2/06/13 9:46:44 AM#72

Barring losses by Aion and Lineage II

Well, maybe "totally free" isn't the way to go.

  Sovrath

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2/06/13 9:52:06 AM#73
Originally posted by Jakdstripper
how the hell does Korea (assuming south Korea), a nation of 50 mil people, beat Europe + N America's in sales? :O....last i checked Koreans' are not rich....how the heck do they spend that kind of money on mmos? what does the average Korean family do once they get a paycheck ? "buy food, pimp out my GW2 character, and then pay rent if there is anything left..."?
 
 
 

Maybe more South Koreans buy NC's games than people in other parts of the world.

  User Deleted
2/06/13 9:54:54 AM#74
Originally posted by Sovrath

Barring losses by Aion and Lineage II

Well, maybe "totally free" isn't the way to go.

I think to be successful with a "totally" free game, you need a game that is clearly better than the competition since there is no sub to hold you.  If you pay $15 then you need to stick with it since you already spent your money.  

Sadly, some studios think that the sub is the barrier when maybe it's actully the game that's the problem.  I have issues with Aion than weren't solved by removing the sub.  It didn't suddenly make the game better.  

  Prenho

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2/06/13 9:56:16 AM#75
I would want to play Lineage 1 again, no game I've played after L1 was good. NCSoft should allow players of other  countries to play on korean servers, off course, they could deliver an english client for foreign people.
  coretex666

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2/06/13 10:01:53 AM#76
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by coretex666

Healthy earnings.

As a Big Four auditor, I move a little further in the report to P&L, perform analytical review, find out that the net income decreased by 61%.

You should take a look at COS as well. Sales on their own dont provide you with enough information to make a conclusion. Especially not the one that they are healthy.

Luckily we are here to discuss games not finance, right.

Net income increased 31%. The 61% decrease wasthe parent company only.

Their gross profit margin was 20% in 2012, with 20% in 3Q12 and 40% 4Q12.

I guess you should have moved a little bit further.

 In the consolidated financial statements yes.

However, the declining parent company should not be ignored completely due to its significance in the consolidated FS.

Saying that the earnings are healthy in spite of the fact that revenues of parent company which represent 63% of the consolidated revenues decrease by 5% while it`s cost of sales which represent 55% of consolidated COS increase by 30% is quite bold, dont you think?

If the parent company keeps declining, I would not be so certain that the relatively small subsidies can ensure the consolidated result to be profit in the future.

Not saying it will inevitably happen. In fact, if I was to guess, I would probably say that the company (group) will do fine in the future, but I would not be so certain to put my money on that.

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  Sovrath

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2/06/13 10:19:12 AM#77
Originally posted by Roxtarr
Originally posted by Sovrath

Barring losses by Aion and Lineage II

Well, maybe "totally free" isn't the way to go.

I think to be successful with a "totally" free game, you need a game that is clearly better than the competition since there is no sub to hold you.  If you pay $15 then you need to stick with it since you already spent your money.  

Sadly, some studios think that the sub is the barrier when maybe it's actully the game that's the problem.  I have issues with Aion than weren't solved by removing the sub.  It didn't suddenly make the game better.  

Bingo we have a winner.

  Ozmodan

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2/06/13 10:19:38 AM#78

NCSoft is on a downward spiral.  Sure GW2 brought in a lot of money this quarter, but that will decline drastically over the next year.  Aion is dead weight, and Lineage is only making money in the east.

If I was an owner of their stock, I would sell in a second.  I don't see anything coming down the line that will show much profit.

Turbine made Lotro f2p, but they kept the sub.  People who like the game still sub, hence they are still profitable.

  Prenho

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2/06/13 10:26:10 AM#79
Originally posted by Ozmodan

NCSoft is on a downward spiral.  Sure GW2 brought in a lot of money this quarter, but that will decline drastically over the next year.  Aion is dead weight, and Lineage is only making money in the east.

If I was an owner of their stock, I would sell in a second.  I don't see anything coming down the line that will show much profit.

Turbine made Lotro f2p, but they kept the sub.  People who like the game still sub, hence they are still profitable.

You are just taking into account this quarter alone. Lets put all entire 2012:

 

Lineage 1 - 210 billion won

GW2 - 164 billion won

Aion - 145 billion won

B&S -  67 billion won(only available in korea so far)

Lineage 2 - 64 billion won

Others - 36 billion won

off course,  excluding royalties.

 

 

  Thillian

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2/06/13 10:28:11 AM#80

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=036570.KS+Basic+Chart

They're doing fantastic, maybe that's why their stock dropped by about 60% since the release of GW2

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