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  Vorthanion

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2/04/13 11:21:14 PM#21
Originally posted by neobahamut20

1) Its Sony. Still not as bad as EA though.

2) Paying members have advantages over free players. This is pay to win, not free to play.

3) Traitors to humanity; Sony, like many other corps, thinks that what you buy from them still belongs to them. Until they allow people to tinker with the products they purchase, they are not worthy of my wallet.

Freeloaders should and I mean SHOULD never get the same advantages that paying customers do.  If you actually invest in the game without paying a subscription, you do actually come out the same in the end, but true non-paying players are as they should be, second rate and second class.

  aRtFuLThinG

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2/04/13 11:32:39 PM#22
Originally posted by neobahamut20

Redeeming would mean that they become good corporate citizens. Doubt it will happen anytime soon.

Treating their customer average doesn't make them "bad corporate citizen". Bad is if they use polluting agent in production of their goods/services and use cheap child labor (ie BP and Nike).

I think you are confusing customer service with corporate ethicity.

  neobahamut20

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We can only show them the path, but they have to be the ones to take it.

2/04/13 11:34:43 PM#23
Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by neobahamut20

1) Its Sony. Still not as bad as EA though.

2) Paying members have advantages over free players. This is pay to win, not free to play.

3) Traitors to humanity; Sony, like many other corps, thinks that what you buy from them still belongs to them. Until they allow people to tinker with the products they purchase, they are not worthy of my wallet.

Freeloaders should and I mean SHOULD never get the same advantages that paying customers do.  If you actually invest in the game without paying a subscription, you do actually come out the same in the end, but true non-paying players are as they should be, second rate and second class.

Agreed, however, the game states free to play. Not extended free trial or free to try. Free to play games are supposed to be completely free and when it is pay to win, it ceases to be completely free.

IE: Teenturd McShitster's SuperRPG made with RPGMaker is Free to Play because he does not charge nor give any advantage to players. Sure, those types of games are usually not MMOs. 

So:

If the game gives an advantage to players over others only if they pay, its Pay to Win.

If the game runs advertisements, its ad-supported

If the game costs something so you can play, its Buy to play

If the game is given to you, for free, with no strings attached, only then is it Free To Play.

If the game comes with the source code, its opensource.

Understand now?

Boycotting EA. Why? They suck, even moreso since 2008.

  neobahamut20

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We can only show them the path, but they have to be the ones to take it.

2/04/13 11:37:16 PM#24
Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG
Originally posted by neobahamut20

Redeeming would mean that they become good corporate citizens. Doubt it will happen anytime soon.

Treating their customer average doesn't make them "bad corporate citizen". Bad is if they use polluting agent in production of their goods/services and use cheap child labor (ie BP and Nike).

I think you are confusing customer service with corporate ethicity.

What?

You need to do some research on Sony.

 

Also, bad is not respecting human rights.

Boycotting EA. Why? They suck, even moreso since 2008.

  ironhelix

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2/04/13 11:46:11 PM#25
Came back shortly after it went free to play. It has it's good points, but the game is largely just as it was at launch, almost no work has been done on it. I am using a computer that is hundreds of times more powerful, yet the game still runs terribly. Why they are bothering to advertise it, while not really supporting it, is beyond me. 
  aRtFuLThinG

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2/05/13 12:04:28 AM#26
Originally posted by neobahamut20

What?

You need to do some research on Sony.

 

Also, bad is not respecting human rights.

Sony corp or Sony Online Entertainment here? They are not the same thing.

Subsidiaries are not the same thing as their parent company (because nowadays most subsidiaries are not even majority owned by the parent)

 

Also, human rights? What human rights lol?? Charging you money to play a game THEY made is not violating YOUR human rights. Moderating a forum, which THEY own, is not violating your human rights.

Corporation  have rights too, you know. You have freedom of speech, you have freedom of ownership, so do they. They are NOT your slave just because they sell you something.

 

You really need to get your priority straight if you think customer service in gaming/forum moderation is comparable to child labor and polluting the environment.

  boojiboy

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2/05/13 11:57:37 AM#27
Originally posted by atticusbc
i don't suppose they took away the gear restrictions that made it almost pointless to play?

They really loosened up the F2P restrictions... you should be able to experience the majority of the game now on a F2P basis.

As to the original poster, I agree.  I've returned after nearly a 2 year absence and I am amazed  at how many people are playing and at how active all the different questings areas around the world.  I hope it stays at this level.

  EndDream

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2/05/13 3:14:21 PM#28
Originally posted by neobahamut20
Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by neobahamut20

1) Its Sony. Still not as bad as EA though.

2) Paying members have advantages over free players. This is pay to win, not free to play.

3) Traitors to humanity; Sony, like many other corps, thinks that what you buy from them still belongs to them. Until they allow people to tinker with the products they purchase, they are not worthy of my wallet.

Freeloaders should and I mean SHOULD never get the same advantages that paying customers do.  If you actually invest in the game without paying a subscription, you do actually come out the same in the end, but true non-paying players are as they should be, second rate and second class.

Agreed, however, the game states free to play. Not extended free trial or free to try. Free to play games are supposed to be completely free and when it is pay to win, it ceases to be completely free.

IE: Teenturd McShitster's SuperRPG made with RPGMaker is Free to Play because he does not charge nor give any advantage to players. Sure, those types of games are usually not MMOs. 

So:

If the game gives an advantage to players over others only if they pay, its Pay to Win.

If the game runs advertisements, its ad-supported

If the game costs something so you can play, its Buy to play

If the game is given to you, for free, with no strings attached, only then is it Free To Play.

If the game comes with the source code, its opensource.

Understand now?

but..... you can play the game.... for.... free....

Remember Old School Ultima Online

  SavageHorizon

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Joined: 1/14/13
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2/05/13 3:24:18 PM#29
Originally posted by justtires
True story past week has been awesome and getting better daily. Houses are plentiful boats are packed in docks people everywhere!!!! About time hope this trend continues!!!

Mate i'm glad you are enjoying the game, word of advice though. Don't bother waste your time posting a thread on this site saying you are enjoying the game. As you can see by many of the reply to your thread their are some lonely frustrated people on this site.

Enjoy your game my friend and just laugh at the replies.

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  Ozivois

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2/05/13 3:25:25 PM#30

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  Ozivois

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2/05/13 3:26:19 PM#31
Originally posted by neobahamut20
Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by neobahamut20

1) Its Sony. Still not as bad as EA though.

2) Paying members have advantages over free players. This is pay to win, not free to play.

3) Traitors to humanity; Sony, like many other corps, thinks that what you buy from them still belongs to them. Until they allow people to tinker with the products they purchase, they are not worthy of my wallet.

Freeloaders should and I mean SHOULD never get the same advantages that paying customers do.  If you actually invest in the game without paying a subscription, you do actually come out the same in the end, but true non-paying players are as they should be, second rate and second class.

Agreed, however, the game states free to play. Not extended free trial or free to try. Free to play games are supposed to be completely free and when it is pay to win, it ceases to be completely free.

IE: Teenturd McShitster's SuperRPG made with RPGMaker is Free to Play because he does not charge nor give any advantage to players. Sure, those types of games are usually not MMOs. 

So:

If the game gives an advantage to players over others only if they pay, its Pay to Win.

If the game runs advertisements, its ad-supported

If the game costs something so you can play, its Buy to play

If the game is given to you, for free, with no strings attached, only then is it Free To Play.

If the game comes with the source code, its opensource.

Understand now?

I disagree; all games in the "free-to-play" category require you buy something if you want to be fully successful in the game. Try giving me one example of a game that is truly free and doesn't require spending any money to keep up with the paying customers.

"Pay to win" is applicable in pvp arguments so since Vanguard doesn't have pvp this shouldn't even be up for discussion.

  neobahamut20

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Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 333

We can only show them the path, but they have to be the ones to take it.

2/05/13 4:24:13 PM#32
Originally posted by Ozivois
Originally posted by neobahamut20
Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by neobahamut20

1) Its Sony. Still not as bad as EA though.

2) Paying members have advantages over free players. This is pay to win, not free to play.

3) Traitors to humanity; Sony, like many other corps, thinks that what you buy from them still belongs to them. Until they allow people to tinker with the products they purchase, they are not worthy of my wallet.

Freeloaders should and I mean SHOULD never get the same advantages that paying customers do.  If you actually invest in the game without paying a subscription, you do actually come out the same in the end, but true non-paying players are as they should be, second rate and second class.

Agreed, however, the game states free to play. Not extended free trial or free to try. Free to play games are supposed to be completely free and when it is pay to win, it ceases to be completely free.

IE: Teenturd McShitster's SuperRPG made with RPGMaker is Free to Play because he does not charge nor give any advantage to players. Sure, those types of games are usually not MMOs. 

So:

If the game gives an advantage to players over others only if they pay, its Pay to Win.

If the game runs advertisements, its ad-supported

If the game costs something so you can play, its Buy to play

If the game is given to you, for free, with no strings attached, only then is it Free To Play.

If the game comes with the source code, its opensource.

Understand now?

I disagree; all games in the "free-to-play" category require you buy something if you want to be fully successful in the game. Try giving me one example of a game that is truly free and doesn't require spending any money to keep up with the paying customers.

"Pay to win" is applicable in pvp arguments so since Vanguard doesn't have pvp this shouldn't even be up for discussion.

I like to think of "free to play" as a complete lie, a marketting term. Simply put, there are no real free to play games. We could always extend it and consider Guild Wars 1 & 2 as F2P ... where free as in freedom and not free of charge since you are not forced to play a part of the game that you dont want to play. However, I consider the term free to play to mean devoid of the need to spend any money. Kinda like GW2 said they would try in their manifesto.

Pay to win is not solely reserved for pvp. The fact is, you always compete with others for loot and ressources. Vanguard restricts certain items from being equipped by free players, giving paying players an advantage. Now only if the gear has no stats and is for good looks only does this point not apply to Vanguard. If there is any type of competition, pay to win may apply.

Now you may say that the competition is an illusion of sorts, or a hallucination, however, dont all games rely on the players living a delusion of some degree so that he can imagine to be playing in a world rather than with colored pixels?

Boycotting EA. Why? They suck, even moreso since 2008.

  birken

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2/05/13 4:40:48 PM#33
As i read all these peoples post now i know. Vanguard is F2P 100% not p2w anything u can get in cash shop u can get on auction house  with in game money if that mean u have to farm alittle more ohh well. You dont pay yet u want everything handed to you on a gold plate LAZY. Vanguard is doing great so troll all you want. I would rather not have the azzhat troll go to such a great community. I will see vanguard fans in game :). I
  mgilbrtsn

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He who fights and runs away... misses out on the loot

2/05/13 4:45:24 PM#34
Originally posted by neobahamut20

1) Its Sony. Still not as bad as EA though.

2) Paying members have advantages over free players. This is pay to win, not free to play.

3) Traitors to humanity; Sony, like many other corps, thinks that what you buy from them still belongs to them. Until they allow people to tinker with the products they purchase, they are not worthy of my wallet.

I don't understand what you mean by allowing players to tinker with their products.  Are you talking Macro's or something else? Most games I know don't allow you to 'tinker' with them.

They are coming for you!

  Dizzler

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Wtf...

 
OP  2/05/13 6:09:10 PM#35
You are all defeating the original post. This is not a thread for I hate soe or it is or isn't free.... Take it elsewhere. Why are you eving trolling this forum if you hate soe so much? This thread is about vanguard being packed with people if you have ever wanted to try it now is the time. It is running smooth they have come a long way. The depth of the game is incredible. The player base is growing daily with what seems to be lots of subscribers myself included after many years of not playing this game since launch always hoping it would make it. Finally there is some sort of hope for one of the best mmos to date. 

  neobahamut20

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We can only show them the path, but they have to be the ones to take it.

2/06/13 9:30:58 AM#36
Originally posted by mgilbrtsn
Originally posted by neobahamut20

1) Its Sony. Still not as bad as EA though.

2) Paying members have advantages over free players. This is pay to win, not free to play.

3) Traitors to humanity; Sony, like many other corps, thinks that what you buy from them still belongs to them. Until they allow people to tinker with the products they purchase, they are not worthy of my wallet.

I don't understand what you mean by allowing players to tinker with their products.  Are you talking Macro's or something else? Most games I know don't allow you to 'tinker' with them.

Sony will sue you if you modify a playstation, vita, etc. as if you were modifying something that belongs to them under the heavily lobbied and corrupt DMCA. So since they essentially do not respect your right to ownership, they are betraying you (Article 17 of declaration of human rights). I see no reason to support a company that thinks it owns the world.

Boycotting EA. Why? They suck, even moreso since 2008.

  neobahamut20

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We can only show them the path, but they have to be the ones to take it.

2/06/13 9:34:14 AM#37
Originally posted by justtires
You are all defeating the original post. This is not a thread for I hate soe or it is or isn't free.... Take it elsewhere. Why are you eving trolling this forum if you hate soe so much? This thread is about vanguard being packed with people if you have ever wanted to try it now is the time. It is running smooth they have come a long way. The depth of the game is incredible. The player base is growing daily with what seems to be lots of subscribers myself included after many years of not playing this game since launch always hoping it would make it. Finally there is some sort of hope for one of the best mmos to date. 

Actually the free thing is settled, people just had misconceptions and got caught by the marketting.

Its about values and morals and if you support the values and morals that Sony's actions propose. I don't and I let others know why since they inquired. Also, your idea of trolling is wrong. You might want to meet a troll to learn what it is instead of throwing it around like the censorfreaks do.

Boycotting EA. Why? They suck, even moreso since 2008.

  Maelwydd

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2/06/13 9:36:45 AM#38
Originally posted by neobahamut20

Sony will sue you if you modify a playstation, vita, etc. as if you were modifying something that belongs to them under the heavily lobbied and corrupt DMCA. So since they essentially do not respect your right to ownership, they are betraying you (Article 17 of declaration of human rights). I see no reason to support a company that thinks it owns the world.

Stop posting, you are giving Nerdy Virgins the world over a bad name!

  CasualMaker

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Spelling and grammar do matter.I find your lack of real-life skills disturbing.

2/06/13 12:06:17 PM#39
Originally posted by neobahamut20
Agreed, however, the game states free to play. Not extended free trial or free to try. Free to play games are supposed to be completely free and when it is pay to win, it ceases to be completely free.
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Understand now?

Yes: you are making up your own definitions. "Free to play" means that you don't have to pay money to play it, nothing more. The phrase has nothing to do with how the hosting company plans to make the money needed to keep it going.

  VengeSunsoar

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Be Brief, Be Bright... Be Gone.

2/06/13 12:45:44 PM#40
Originally posted by neobahamut20
Originally posted by mgilbrtsn
Originally posted by neobahamut20

1) Its Sony. Still not as bad as EA though.

2) Paying members have advantages over free players. This is pay to win, not free to play.

3) Traitors to humanity; Sony, like many other corps, thinks that what you buy from them still belongs to them. Until they allow people to tinker with the products they purchase, they are not worthy of my wallet.

I don't understand what you mean by allowing players to tinker with their products.  Are you talking Macro's or something else? Most games I know don't allow you to 'tinker' with them.

Sony will sue you if you modify a playstation, vita, etc. as if you were modifying something that belongs to them under the heavily lobbied and corrupt DMCA. So since they essentially do not respect your right to ownership, they are betraying you (Article 17 of declaration of human rights). I see no reason to support a company that thinks it owns the world.

 Well the issue is not the modified playstation itself. It's that the modded playstation allows people to run pirated software. 

And I disagree with your definition of free to play.  It has never meant that everything is free, it only means that I can play the game for free, that I am not required to spend money on it.  Not that I can't spend money, just that I don't need to.  And I don't, therefore it's f2p.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

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