A troll because I have a different opinion, oh I do plan on trying it out, I was probably one of the first to sign up for beta and when I do and find it lacking (if it does lack) I will be told "its beta" or "troll" or "move along" again.

The main person in charge created DaoC or was a main driving force how suprising that he seems to be trying to make DoaC2 not something inovative.

Originally posted by calranthe

What they have always done is create a framework for us to create an amazing game and sandbox.

I think the above is my real issue with ESO Oblivon skyrim and morrowind were bugged to hell and created using low res reduced detail and generic stuff BUT the tools were there for players and modders to use that framework to create amazing things.

I am not just talking content I am talking updated textures and models, clothing and items, stories and entire world redos.

Even the sex mods created a whole new set of non adult specific mods to do with hires clothings and skins.

Extended script systems and animation, detailed life systems for animals and players, complete vampire and werewolf races with powers and cycles.

All these things before and beside the dlc the company came out with.

My morrowind game has 217 mods about 15gb of data and still works 1904 hours on my latest save game

My oblivion game has 130 mods about 22gb of extra data 1205 hours on my latest playthrough.

My Skyrim game has 76 mods about 17gb of extra data 604 hours on my latest playthrough.

Now I know mmo games are different but if the debacle with SWTOR and remember how hyped we were after seeing that very first CGI?

You could not realisticly ever live upto that hype and then TSO comes out with a heart pumping CGI and could it really ever live up to it, for what is essentially with variance a wow/doac Elderscrolls reskin cross.

Just like Most Elder scrolls players can not expect anything like the true spirit of the single player game in the mmo.

Really I just feel TSO should not have been done and it may be a success but it will never be elder scrolls.

Bethesda is not doing TESO, end of thread.

To be honest I LOVE these threads. They cut down the hype of a game by a shit ton. It'll make it feel better and you won't get dissapointed. Look at SWTOR for example. OVer hyped to SHIT. Now it's a Cash shop based game.

Originally posted by calranthe

Originally posted by Ikeda

FFS,

Fact check yourself!

And since Bethesda isn't making this game, you should have no issues then, right?

I know that but unless you are trying to tell me that the company hired to do this is completely 100% seperate from the bethesda entity and no cross polination is occuring then for all purposes this is a Bethesda game and people will view it as such.

It is interesting to see the rabid fanboys come out of the wood work.

I stand by my valid opinion that will be a generic mmo doac reskinned to ES and nothing like the spirit of true ES

1) Most will disagree with you when you say Bethesda hasn't made a good game. I like mods as well, but the core games have never dissapointed me.

2) No regardless of what you "feel" the FACT is that Zenimax Online Studios is making this game, they are part of Zenimax Media the company that Owns Bethesda, they are not ran by Bethesda. So, your opinions and or feelings here are of little relevance to your OP and thread title.  

3) I'd really like you to try and paint me as a rabid fan considering how critical of this game I have been lol. Its in my post history, feel free to check it. 

4) Your opinion is neither valid nor invalid, it's simply your opinion and one ,as you can clearly see, not everyone is going to agree with. Though from the looks of things is doesn't seem many if any are going to agree with you.

My advice is to go back and do some actual research on the game since you seem to have missed the basics like whom the developer of this game actually is. Also I'd go back and look at the features show and said to be in TESO as well as DAoC because the similarities are limited to a few systems/mechanics with the vast majority of the game being based off of other non generic MMO's.

I'm all for everyone having their own opinion and I'm all for criticizing TESO, but make it an informed opinion at least and try to bash it for real reasons rather than some random things you thought up while having little to no knowledge of the game.

Theres plenty of things to bash the game about, do your research and come back if you want.  

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

I'll have to disagree. I would say that Bethesda (the company that is not making ESO) isn't great at details of story but quite frankly, mods, with the exception of those that fix the bugs (that bethesda should be fixing) only change the flavor of the game for  the players who want a particular flavor.

There is not one mod out there (again other than bug fixing) that I think is essential.

Armor mods are nice but they range from expanding the armor choices to down right ridiculous.

Tweaks are nice but those are just adding "spice" to the player's taste. The animaition mods don't change the game for the better but for the different. One might like them more but I it's really only an aesthetic choice.

The idea of mods allow players to sway the game in a way that the player might enjoy but the core of each game stands.

Bethesda's offerings are games that allow player choice (to a certain extent) and that's their talent. And since the majority of elder scrolls playes don't have access to mods the point at the moment is sort of moot.

 

Interesting an actual post on the subject at hand, while I can agree with your opinion on the bug fix patches and mods that came out, I do believe you are doing a disservice playing down all the rest.

By your side of the discussion any change made to any game other than those by a developer is just personal slant and sway.

Lets take oblivion and discount all the mods that were bug fixes and script extensions, we should also take out of the equation the graphical updates and mods that make oblivion look as good if not better than skyrim, weather mods and lore races created, towns and cities redone to bring them more alive, code to allow guards in cities to actually have lives, to eat food at break times and a family to go home to,  ordered life mods that have animals with breeding cycles young and territory.

Nomad adventurers and tribes, skirmishes and wars.

In my morrowind game there is an npc who has a grudge against my character and has been hunting me for the last 5 years who breaks into my house sometimes or kills off someone I am suposed to be questing for.

Modders have brough so much more to the table.

Dear OP.

PLease be quiet.

Bathesda studio is one of the best !

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Originally posted by calranthe
A troll because I have a different opinion, oh I do plan on trying it out, I was probably one of the first to sign up for beta and when I do and find it lacking (if it does lack) I will be told "its beta" or "troll" or "move along" again.

The main person in charge created DaoC or was a main driving force how suprising that he seems to be trying to make DoaC2 not something inovative.

 

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No a troll because you offer nothing constructive or factual and only post to argue your empty points.

Sorry OP, while I am on your side (in beling critical about TESO) I am not beside you with this thread.

I am not going to blindly lap up everything that is said about the game and will be critical where I think I should be. But you are way off, lacking any reasonable argument and raging about things that are either invalid or unknown.

Originally posted by strangepower

 

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Originally posted by calranthe
A troll because I have a different opinion, oh I do plan on trying it out, I was probably one of the first to sign up for beta and when I do and find it lacking (if it does lack) I will be told "its beta" or "troll" or "move along" again.

 

The main person in charge created DaoC or was a main driving force how suprising that he seems to be trying to make DoaC2 not something inovative.

 

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No a troll because you offer nothing constructive or factual and only post to argue your empty points.

 

I beg to differe on this opinion we are already on page four of the thread and while I label them as fanboys they label me as a troll or tell me to be quiet.

I have seen no real proof or facts supporting what others have said in this thread, we will see but obviouse answer is this topic would not have had this many responses if it was to be ignored.

Originally posted by Arid

To be honest I LOVE these threads. They cut down the hype of a game by a shit ton. It'll make it feel better and you won't get dissapointed. Look at SWTOR for example. OVer hyped to SHIT. Now it's a Cash shop based game.

 SWTOR had the same types of post before it launched. People judging one way or another before they had even played it. Dumb.

Originally posted by calranthe

Originally posted by strangepower

 

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Originally posted by calranthe
A troll because I have a different opinion, oh I do plan on trying it out, I was probably one of the first to sign up for beta and when I do and find it lacking (if it does lack) I will be told "its beta" or "troll" or "move along" again.

 

The main person in charge created DaoC or was a main driving force how suprising that he seems to be trying to make DoaC2 not something inovative.

 

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No a troll because you offer nothing constructive or factual and only post to argue your empty points.

 

I beg to differe on this opinion we are already on page four of the thread and while I label them as fanboys they label me as a troll or tell me to be quiet.

I have seen no real proof or facts supporting what others have said in this thread, we will see but obviouse answer is this topic would not have had this many responses if it was to be ignored.

Are you still going to play the beta?

Originally posted by calranthe

I have seen no real proof or facts supporting what others have said in this thread, we will see but obviouse answer is this topic would not have had this many responses if it was to be ignored.

https://www.google.com/search?q=elder+scrolls+online+developer&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Top line.  Right there.  Really big.

Just because you insist Bethesda is buggy, requires mods, other games, etc.  So that fact alone supports ALL arguments about you being completely incorrect.  While I may agree about the bugginess of Bethesda games, this is not one of them.

/thread

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by Arid

To be honest I LOVE these threads. They cut down the hype of a game by a shit ton. It'll make it feel better and you won't get dissapointed. Look at SWTOR for example. OVer hyped to SHIT. Now it's a Cash shop based game.

 SWTOR had the same types of post before it launched. People judging one way or another before they had even played it. Dumb.

Yeah. Never understood that. I just don't get it. People do it with everything, not just games. Judge stuff before they've gotten their hands on it. It's ridiculous -_-

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Originally posted by calranthe

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Originally posted by strangepower  

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Originally posted by calranthe A troll because I have a different opinion, oh I do plan on trying it out, I was probably one of the first to sign up for beta and when I do and find it lacking (if it does lack) I will be told "its beta" or "troll" or "move along" again.   The main person in charge created DaoC or was a main driving force how suprising that he seems to be trying to make DoaC2 not something inovative.  

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  No a troll because you offer nothing constructive or factual and only post to argue your empty points.  

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I beg to differe on this opinion we are already on page four of the thread and while I label them as fanboys they label me as a troll or tell me to be quiet.

I have seen no real proof or facts supporting what others have said in this thread, we will see but obviouse answer is this topic would not have had this many responses if it was to be ignored.

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No proof, what do you need to be spoon-fed? Take a gander at the website or even the wiki and educate yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Online

http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/

It's your job to get your facts straight.

Developer(s) ZeniMax Online Studios
Publisher(s) Bethesda Softworks

You think the number of responses is because the thread has merit?

It has responses because you are trolling and folks hate stupid.

If you are so smart count the posts and formulate a ratio with the ones agreeing with you vs. everybody else.

Okay lets derail this threads with facts

3 realm conflict was first done successfully in an mmo called DaoC, it is slightly more than a minor aspect of ESO and thus calling in to question the innovation and motives of the man being asked to do an ESO game is valid

He has stated right from the start no housing in ESO housing as any player of ES games will know is a core part of the adventure, yes mmo limitations and all that.

A CGI that in no way in this reality anyone should expect the game to be like that just like the SWTOR CGI trap caused.

ES has always been about immersive combat without the kind of leveling and hotbar mmo generic.

Also it has been stated that the game really begins when you reach level 50 I do not know about you but I have never played an elder scrolls game where my first aim was to get to max level.

He talks about exploration but in the same breath segregation, levels and area limits.

All of those things were in DaoC

All of those things are NOT ES

Hotbars cooldowns limits not ES

At level one in any ES game you could if you did not sleep explore the entire world and every mountain you could see you could explore till you hit the out of bounds line.

Originally posted by calranthe

Okay lets derail this threads with facts

3 realm conflict was first done successfully in an mmo called DaoC, it is slightly more than a minor aspect of ESO and thus calling in to question the innovation and motives of the man being asked to do an ESO game is valid

He has stated right from the start no housing in ESO housing as any player of ES games will know is a core part of the adventure, yes mmo limitations and all that.

A CGI that in no way in this reality anyone should expect the game to be like that just like the SWTOR CGI trap caused.

ES has always been about immersive combat without the kind of leveling and hotbar mmo generic.

Also it has been stated that the game really begins when you reach level 50 I do not know about you but I have never played an elder scrolls game where my first aim was to get to max level.

He talks about exploration but in the same breath segregation, levels and area limits.

All of those things were in DaoC

All of those things are NOT ES

Hotbars cooldowns limits not ES

At level one in any ES game you could if you did not sleep explore the entire world and every mountain you could see you could explore till you hit the out of bounds line.

 

Yet there is one simple detail you're missing.

This is an MMO, not a single player Elder Scrolls game.