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  Dantae87

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OP  2/03/13 6:32:23 PM#161

6 years ago i would agree with everyone saying open world pvp isnt needed as back then i was all about PvE...but i have hence grown up, PvE content get old FAST and what did i do? Went out into the world and PvPed....or took part in world pvp raids.

Now u mihgt say "that is what arena,battle zones are for!" i say this to that...there just as boring....same thing over n over. go here kill that protect this, capture that. Where as open world pvp offerd a new thing almost every time....plus i sucked at PvP battlegrounds cuz there was always one OP class. Where as in open world pvp i might run into that Op class and take him by suprise or call in firends to come help me....

  Cursedsei

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2/03/13 6:57:18 PM#162
Originally posted by Dantae87

6 years ago i would agree with everyone saying open world pvp isnt needed as back then i was all about PvE...but i have hence grown up, PvE content get old FAST and what did i do? Went out into the world and PvPed....or took part in world pvp raids.

Now u mihgt say "that is what arena,battle zones are for!" i say this to that...there just as boring....same thing over n over. go here kill that protect this, capture that. Where as open world pvp offerd a new thing almost every time....plus i sucked at PvP battlegrounds cuz there was always one OP class. Where as in open world pvp i might run into that Op class and take him by suprise or call in firends to come help me....

Except...

 

No one here is crying about Open World PVP. People are complaining about the ridiculous and often contradictory faction lock being put in place on the races. Its a turn off to me, seeing as like a majority of the Elder Scroll games, your race never affected such things. Hell, if you wanted you could of joined the Rebels in Skyrim as an elf, despite all the racial tension there.

 

People want choice. There is absolutely no reason why the players can't create their characters, choose whatever race they want most, play throughout the world, and when it comes time to do the 3-faction PVP side with the faction they like best.

 

If you really "grew up", you'd of realized that off the bat.

  Homitu

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2/03/13 7:03:33 PM#163
Didn't even know there were factions, and still don't know what faction lock entails.  I'm remaining ignorant on this one, and will just enjoy it as I discover it while playing it.   
  Phry

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2/03/13 7:04:21 PM#164
Originally posted by Cursedsei
Originally posted by Dantae87

6 years ago i would agree with everyone saying open world pvp isnt needed as back then i was all about PvE...but i have hence grown up, PvE content get old FAST and what did i do? Went out into the world and PvPed....or took part in world pvp raids.

Now u mihgt say "that is what arena,battle zones are for!" i say this to that...there just as boring....same thing over n over. go here kill that protect this, capture that. Where as open world pvp offerd a new thing almost every time....plus i sucked at PvP battlegrounds cuz there was always one OP class. Where as in open world pvp i might run into that Op class and take him by suprise or call in firends to come help me....

Except...

 

No one here is crying about Open World PVP. People are complaining about the ridiculous and often contradictory faction lock being put in place on the races. Its a turn off to me, seeing as like a majority of the Elder Scroll games, your race never affected such things. Hell, if you wanted you could of joined the Rebels in Skyrim as an elf, despite all the racial tension there.

 

People want choice. There is absolutely no reason why the players can't create their characters, choose whatever race they want most, play throughout the world, and when it comes time to do the 3-faction PVP side with the faction they like best.

 

If you really "grew up", you'd of realized that off the bat.

This,

the problem isnt the pvp, its about choices, which in effect you have none. May seem like a none issue to some, but for others it is a deal breaker. The other thing, is that there will be people for whom the PVP is also not a draw to the game, Elderscrolls games do after all tend to be entirely without PVP after all, so regardless of the faction lock, they better have a very good PVE side of the game, because it will be a critical fail if they don't, but yeah, faction lock and 2/3 of the game map being locked off to the players.. epic fail, right there.

  Angier2758

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Joined: 9/05/09
Posts: 1060

2/03/13 8:09:46 PM#165
Originally posted by Dantae87

note im not looking for hardcore massive gank everyone pvp...just the option to explor would have been appreciated.

You can.. you just need to make a different character.  I really don't see an issue.

 

I mean those American journalists were just exploring around Iran and bam in jail... seems realistic to me lol

  Angier2758

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2/03/13 8:10:46 PM#166
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Cursedsei
Originally posted by Dantae87

6 years ago i would agree with everyone saying open world pvp isnt needed as back then i was all about PvE...but i have hence grown up, PvE content get old FAST and what did i do? Went out into the world and PvPed....or took part in world pvp raids.

Now u mihgt say "that is what arena,battle zones are for!" i say this to that...there just as boring....same thing over n over. go here kill that protect this, capture that. Where as open world pvp offerd a new thing almost every time....plus i sucked at PvP battlegrounds cuz there was always one OP class. Where as in open world pvp i might run into that Op class and take him by suprise or call in firends to come help me....

Except...

 

No one here is crying about Open World PVP. People are complaining about the ridiculous and often contradictory faction lock being put in place on the races. Its a turn off to me, seeing as like a majority of the Elder Scroll games, your race never affected such things. Hell, if you wanted you could of joined the Rebels in Skyrim as an elf, despite all the racial tension there.

 

People want choice. There is absolutely no reason why the players can't create their characters, choose whatever race they want most, play throughout the world, and when it comes time to do the 3-faction PVP side with the faction they like best.

 

If you really "grew up", you'd of realized that off the bat.

This,

the problem isnt the pvp, its about choices, which in effect you have none. May seem like a none issue to some, but for others it is a deal breaker. The other thing, is that there will be people for whom the PVP is also not a draw to the game, Elderscrolls games do after all tend to be entirely without PVP after all, so regardless of the faction lock, they better have a very good PVE side of the game, because it will be a critical fail if they don't, but yeah, faction lock and 2/3 of the game map being locked off to the players.. epic fail, right there.

We call everything an epic fail sooooo we're such drama queens on these forums.

 

PS- I don't think this is about "choice".. I think that anyone who says that has an axe to grind.

  Ebonheart

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Joined: 7/20/05
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2/03/13 10:32:02 PM#167

I think it's pretty obvious why the developers of this MMO would choose to mold the geographical locations of Tamriel into the three distinct alliances we now have (pic related). Lore is much more flexible than game design in this case, so they had to make a choice and I would argue it was the right choice. You guys can whine about why one faction wouldn't do something, shouldn't do something, or might do something, but that's all secondary to an effective (and efficient) foundation. Slight lore meandering doesn't kill games, bad design kills games.

  azzamasin

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2/03/13 10:35:14 PM#168
Originally posted by jtcgs
Originally posted by Dantae87

i for one am leening to yes, now not lost 100% , i will give the game a shot but right off the bat 75% intrest is lost due to this flaw.

 Once I heard factions I knew it was downhill from there because if a company is willing to make one drastic change from the IP, they will be making others, and they have. Closed faction areas, Races limited to factions, PvP limited to PvP zones, Lore changes...this is just DaoC 2 in a TES skin.

Considering there is nothing in the lore that prohibts factions and multiplayer TES has never been done before then I would say you are wrong because we have no history of lore that far back (when the game is set) so for all intents and purposes ESO is crafting the lore that fits within an unknown time frame in Tamriel.

 

Being a DAoC 2 is jsut more icing on the cake that this game is gonna kick ass.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  Nitth

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2/03/13 10:38:50 PM#169


Originally posted by azzamasin

Originally posted by jtcgs

Originally posted by Dantae87 i for one am leening to yes, now not lost 100% , i will give the game a shot but right off the bat 75% intrest is lost due to this flaw.
 Once I heard factions I knew it was downhill from there because if a company is willing to make one drastic change from the IP, they will be making others, and they have. Closed faction areas, Races limited to factions, PvP limited to PvP zones, Lore changes...this is just DaoC 2 in a TES skin.
Considering there is nothing in the lore that prohibts factions and multiplayer TES has never been done before then I would say you are wrong because we have no history of lore that far back (when the game is set) so for all intents and purposes ESO is crafting the lore that fits within an unknown time frame in Tamriel.

 

Being a DAoC 2 is jsut more icing on the cake that this game is gonna kick ass.


Isnt 1 thousand years ago the time of Alduin and the dragons?

If it was...Seems everyone was on a united front to put that bad boy back in his box..


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  azzamasin

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2/03/13 10:40:47 PM#170
Originally posted by Zairu

actually, nothing about TESO interested me.

I love TES. its my favorite game series by far.

no need to ruin people's idea of what Tamriel is by raping the lore and world in a horrid MMO platform.

 

to make it worse, so many people do not understand that Bethesda who made EVERY TES game, has NOTHING to do with ESO. so now, when the game launches and the hate train starts, we're going to have tons of misinformed douchbags cursing Bethesda for a game they had nothing to do with.

In much the same way misinformed people rape the unknowns of an ancient past on an elder scrolls game.

 

 

You know I dont ever remember people bitching this much about WoW raped the lore of Warcraft 3.

 

 

I also don't understand how someone can complain about ESO when you are getting 3 TES games in each faction.  I dont ever recall anyone bitching they couldnt explore Morrowind while playing Skyrim.  Or throwing e-fits because you couldn't explore Hammerfell while playing Oblivian.  This just proves people will bitch for no apprent reason.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  azzamasin

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2/03/13 10:45:10 PM#171
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by azzamasin

Originally posted by jtcgs

Originally posted by Dantae87 i for one am leening to yes, now not lost 100% , i will give the game a shot but right off the bat 75% intrest is lost due to this flaw.
 Once I heard factions I knew it was downhill from there because if a company is willing to make one drastic change from the IP, they will be making others, and they have. Closed faction areas, Races limited to factions, PvP limited to PvP zones, Lore changes...this is just DaoC 2 in a TES skin.
Considering there is nothing in the lore that prohibts factions and multiplayer TES has never been done before then I would say you are wrong because we have no history of lore that far back (when the game is set) so for all intents and purposes ESO is crafting the lore that fits within an unknown time frame in Tamriel.

 

 

Being a DAoC 2 is jsut more icing on the cake that this game is gonna kick ass.


 

Isnt 1 thousand years ago the time of Alduin and the dragons?

If it was...Seems everyone was on a united front to put that bad boy back in his box..

 

No that was more like 500 years ago.  The time which ESO is set in has very little lore which is why Zenimax went to Bethesdas Loremaster to craft Lore for ESO's time frame.  Fairly certain I will take Bethesda's Lawrence Schick (official Loremaster) word over some pissed off group of nobodies.

 

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2012/10/18/reading-the-future-of-the-past-in-the-elder-scrolls

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  FARGIN_WAR

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2/03/13 10:47:39 PM#172
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by Zairu

actually, nothing about TESO interested me.

I love TES. its my favorite game series by far.

no need to ruin people's idea of what Tamriel is by raping the lore and world in a horrid MMO platform.

 

to make it worse, so many people do not understand that Bethesda who made EVERY TES game, has NOTHING to do with ESO. so now, when the game launches and the hate train starts, we're going to have tons of misinformed douchbags cursing Bethesda for a game they had nothing to do with.

In much the same way misinformed people rape the unknowns of an ancient past on an elder scrolls game.

 

 

You know I dont ever remember people bitching this much about WoW raped the lore of Warcraft 3.

 

 

I also don't understand how someone can complain about ESO when you are getting 3 TES games in each faction.  I dont ever recall anyone bitching they couldnt explore Morrowind while playing Skyrim.  Or throwing e-fits because you couldn't explore Hammerfell while playing Oblivian.  This just proves people will bitch for no apprent reason.

Yep. And you prove that some people will even bitch about other people bitching.

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  azzamasin

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2/03/13 10:48:24 PM#173

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  maddog15a

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2/03/13 11:02:17 PM#174
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by jtcgs
Originally posted by Dantae87

i for one am leening to yes, now not lost 100% , i will give the game a shot but right off the bat 75% intrest is lost due to this flaw.

 Once I heard factions I knew it was downhill from there because if a company is willing to make one drastic change from the IP, they will be making others, and they have. Closed faction areas, Races limited to factions, PvP limited to PvP zones, Lore changes...this is just DaoC 2 in a TES skin.

Considering there is nothing in the lore that prohibts factions and multiplayer TES has never been done before then I would say you are wrong because we have no history of lore that far back (when the game is set) so for all intents and purposes ESO is crafting the lore that fits within an unknown time frame in Tamriel.

 

Being a DAoC 2 is jsut more icing on the cake that this game is gonna kick ass.

Actualy we have alot of lore that far back(thanks to many of the in-game books) its only 1000 years before Oblivion roughly in the 2nd era of the empire.  TES lore is pretty stong all the way till the Nords arive on Tamriel shores, only before that does the lore get alittle bit thin.

And while there is nothing that prohibts factions in the lore, the factions made in TESO make no sense and only serve to support the daoc pvp.  Its sad that ZeniMax didn't have enough faith in the TES ip to try something bold and new.  Instead they borrowed so much from daoc that it might as well be called daoc 2, just like swtor might aswell be called WoW in space.

  Ebonheart

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2/03/13 11:12:25 PM#175
Originally posted by maddog15a
 
Its sad that ZeniMax didn't have enough faith in the TES ip to try something bold and new.  Instead they borrowed so much from daoc that it might as well be called daoc 2, just like swtor might aswell be called WoW in space.

Borrowing from DAoC is something bold and new......

  JayFiveAlive

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2/03/13 11:50:27 PM#176
I'm glad there are three sides. So tired of these MMOs where all races are in bed with each other. Kills the whole world feel of the game. Let's get some pride for our sides and go to battle@!
  OgreRaper

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2/04/13 12:07:59 AM#177
Originally posted by JayFiveAlive
I'm glad there are three sides. So tired of these MMOs where all races are in bed with each other. Kills the whole world feel of the game. Let's get some pride for our sides and go to battle@!

 

Yeah! Preach it!

  Panther2103

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2/04/13 12:09:55 AM#178
It hasn't made me lose intirest. If anything I've gained more intirest it provides you with more of an attachment then just, hey I started out as this faction but it's fine if they are losing in pvp I'll just join this one instead.
  asrlohz

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Alea iacta est, beloved Doomsayers.

2/04/13 12:23:37 AM#179
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

Don't give a fuck.

Gameplay elements are far more important in MMORPG than some stupid RACE/GENDER/FACTION locks.

 

 

Those being locked does affect the gameplay.

  VassagoMael

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2/04/13 12:24:44 AM#180

No

 

Free to play = content updates for the cash shop. Buy to play = content updates for the cash shop.
Subscription = Actual content updates!

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