Originally posted by Darth-Batman

 

Well, debating over better graphics is personal taste so theres no point in that. If it works for you and you like it, thats cool im not going to try tell you otherwise. Just because I say something doesnt mean I expect you to feel the same way, that would be boring. Im just saying its my personal opinion. I watch my brother play it ALL THE TIME (unfortunately) 6 years later even and everything in the game looks plastic and the animations look like cardboard cut-outs or something to me (he plays it maxed). I actually wanted VG to do well and have given it multiple tries, it just seems like SOE doesnt care about it and never really did which is a shame.

People get away with a lot here in name of tastes and personal opinion. But there is a thin line between opinion and un necessary exaggeration. Saying game is 'terribly' outdated is not same as  expression your taste.  Is game dated? obviously it is 6 years old but it is not as bad as you were trying to make it look.

Originally posted by Meridion
ida played this game since release if they had more people in it

That's what everyone said... and why no one played it.

...and, like someone else said before, 'big years'? Hardly.

What has been done to VG over the years is a disgrace, even down to the final carpetbagging of it through F2P that we are seeing now when a free client/ trial + expack + sub 4 years ago would have served it so much better (and gained it a ton of new players).

If half of these new MMO's dedicated as much time working on game features fun play instead of flashy cinematics and hi-poly armor and useless roped off zones dedicated to PVP, we would have some fun games that might just last longer then 4 months before they start circling the drain on the way to F2P

This game is 6 years old amazing. I do wish they would put more effort into reviving it, been a long time might go back to check it out.

Originally posted by NC-John

If half of these new MMO's dedicated as much time working on game features fun play instead of flashy cinematics and hi-poly armor and useless roped off zones dedicated to PVP, we would have some fun games that might just last longer then 4 months before they start circling the drain on the way to F2P

This game is 6 years old amazing. I do wish they would put more effort into reviving it, been a long time might go back to check it out.

Because time is now more valuable then back in the days. Its all about jump in , have fun and go. Wich i think is the right decision. MMorpg should always play a secondary role in real life. What you want is to trade your lief for a virtual game. NO TY SIR.

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Meridion
ida played this game since release if they had more people in it

That's what everyone said... and why no one played it.

That's an amusing truth for several games.

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Meridion
ida played this game since release if they had more people in it

That's what everyone said... and why no one played it.

That's an amusing truth for several games.

heh yeah that gave me a chuckle for sure. Vanguard just isnt going to do all that well even if you give it all away for free. Its a buggy mess still to date with a very dated combat system. People always talk about what a gem it is and how it was going to have SO many new players and servers when it went free to play . SOE make it free to play people screamed and screamed , now look at it 6 months after free to play.... still only  1 medium population server and thats about it. Its not the restrictions as this game is not restrictive at all , its the game is just not in any way modernized for a polished Triple A mmo of this day. At least the guys that do pay for it monthly get content updates regularly finally.

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Meridion
ida played this game since release if they had more people in it

 

That's what everyone said... and why no one played it.

...and, like someone else said before, 'big years'? Hardly.

What has been done to VG over the years is a disgrace, even down to the final carpetbagging of it through F2P that we are seeing now when a free client/ trial + expack + sub 4 years ago would have served it so much better (and gained it a ton of new players).

 They tried the free trial ages ago with the Isle of Dawn. And guess what? It didnt work.

Thats why this game got put on the shelf by SoE, only to be revived once F2P worked on their flagship games.

Vanguards problems are in its servers and optimisation. The graphics themselves are OK, but its impossible to have smooth gameplay out of it, which is a shame because it ruins the game. It takes 5 seconds for mobs to actually show that they are dead. Not to mention the clunky UI. If they fixed those, even the dated graphics wouldnt bother people that wanted a more hardcore experience.

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Meridion
ida played this game since release if they had more people in it

That's what everyone said... and why no one played it.

That's an amusing truth for several games.

I don't play games for the people. Yes, it is good to play an MMO with massive amounts of people. But if you are part of a community already, then you just need a decent party setup to have fun. Whats that 3-5 people to get through most content? 

Originally posted by Doogiehowser

Originally posted by Darth-Batman
They should of done this 5 years ago, now the game is just terribly dated in terms of looks and mechanics but it really doesnt matter because of the duppers and hackers.

Game is hardly dated in terms of looks....and still looks amazing for a 6 year old game.  Post some screenshots of any 6 year old game and i will post Vanguard screens to show how wrong you are.

 

Originally posted by ChuChuTrick
They're still restricting items F2P players can use, that enough for me to say no.

I really really hate freeloaders. You guys want everything for free. 

No, I am not in fact, a feeeloader, I played vanguard beta, preorderd the game, and subed for 8 months, I quite WoW when it was still in it's prime to come play this game, the only reason I posted in the first place is because I consider Vanguard to be the most disapointing game of my mmo experiance...because I wanted to love that game...I really did.

Honestly, if anything, Sony owes me for my 8 months of sub during a period where you couldn't walk 10 feet without encountering a bug.

And like I said in my pervious post, I simply dont like item restrictions, thats one area that a F2P model shouldn't mess with.

I'm not sure why Vanguard has a fanbase at all

it's clearly not how Brad Mcquaid had intended it to turn out, SOE undid most of that work (and no SOE rehiring him isn't going to bring back his original vision)

when you take that away you just have the game mechanics, which are pretty standard in the most boring way possible

why do you fans enjoy it so much? is the community amazing? 

Originally posted by Inktomi

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Meridion
ida played this game since release if they had more people in it

That's what everyone said... and why no one played it.

That's an amusing truth for several games.

I don't play games for the people. Yes, it is good to play an MMO with massive amounts of people. But if you are part of a community already, then you just need a decent party setup to have fun. Whats that 3-5 people to get through most content? 

The number of people a person needs with them is irrelevant. The point is that, whether it's an MMO or a local bar, the personal thought or small group conversation that commonly happens matches Meridion's statement.

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by Inktomi

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Meridion
ida played this game since release if they had more people in it

That's what everyone said... and why no one played it.

That's an amusing truth for several games.

I don't play games for the people. Yes, it is good to play an MMO with massive amounts of people. But if you are part of a community already, then you just need a decent party setup to have fun. Whats that 3-5 people to get through most content? 

The number of people a person needs with them is irrelevant. The point is that, whether it's an MMO or a local bar, the personal thought or small group conversation that commonly happens matches Meridion's statement.

Agreed, but that is the fallacy that most people fall into when  thinking in terms of online play. My comment was to display that you really don't need a server full of players to enjoy a game. 

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by Inktomi

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Meridion
ida played this game since release if they had more people in it

That's what everyone said... and why no one played it.

That's an amusing truth for several games.

I don't play games for the people. Yes, it is good to play an MMO with massive amounts of people. But if you are part of a community already, then you just need a decent party setup to have fun. Whats that 3-5 people to get through most content? 

The number of people a person needs with them is irrelevant. The point is that, whether it's an MMO or a local bar, the personal thought or small group conversation that commonly happens matches Meridion's statement.

I don't know, I've spent an awful lot of time in some extraordinarily niche titles. I've no doubt there's a fair number of gamers who can't enjoy a game unless the Herd validates their choice. At the same time, it's kind of a stretch to assume that's a universal.

How much of a community do I need? At least one partner, historically. A guild to chatter with, or raid with. Possibly an enemy guild, to compete with.

The rest of the players in any game are largely inconsequential; at best, consumers of my auction products. So my server needs...roughly 50-100 players?

I think perhaps it's a psychological effect, do I see enough players "running around and doing stuff", or does it feel like crickets chirping tumbleweed ghost town. Which suggests traffic control might be more important than actual populations.