Originally posted by supercaio886

The current max gear in the game right now is Silver item , you can craft it so easily , or you can buy from trade market . If you are a fucking lazy person , even like that you can buy a piece of a silver item everyday , and that is for someone really lazy.

Items in this game plays no big part in power as some other games. Its just a bit more defense and boost status , thats the max you can dow for now. - I learned this when I bought all my silver equipament in the first day I deposit some money in this game , and got raped in pvp by NAKED GUYS. Yes im Bad at pvp , yes they are good , but what I mean is , this game is not like other games where u buy max gear and ppl hit you 1 , and you hit them 100.

So if you want to buy gold and convert to silver to buy items now , you are completly dumbass , because you can get the full set enchanted within 1 week of good work , and even like that I dont think its really worth to waste money on gears right now , nothing out there to make you overpowered , so in my opinion you should craft ur own gear and concentrate on being a better pvper.

 

 

Actually the current max level for items is Jade quality.  It has 6 upgrade slots compared to silvers 4 upgrade slots.  It also sells for about 20 ding a pop, and yes there are people buying it for 20 ding a piece.

As far as the "gear doesn't matter much" arguement.  The people that make this argument are the same people that have no damn clue how gear works in the game.  These are the people that are running around on a royal guard with yin & softness gear, because they don't understand how itemization in the game works.  And how to best gear out thier characters.

A propperly geared character has a massive advantage over someone who isn't properly geared.  If you think this isn't true, you haven't fought someone who is properly geared yet.

Honestly, with skills capping out, I see no difference between a character with everything who didn't pay and a character with everything that paid thousands.  In the end they both have the same shit.

When I hear "Pay to Win" I think of something you HAVE to buy to be competitive.  Like the best weapon in the game only being available for 30 bucks in the cash shop, with no way to get it in the game.  AoW isn't that at all.

Having said all that, can a player pay real money to get to max lvl/gear faster? Sure can. It's hideoously expensive, I wouldn't do it, even if I could. AoW is more of a "the journey is more fun the destination" type game for me. I don't feel the need to skip ahead. The option is there if you want it though.

But on the other hand, I don't really care.  People have been been buying fully geared characters since e-bay started. Nothing new. You can buy gold in WoW, ISK for EvE  etc.  If people's money is worth less to them than the time they have to put into the game to enjoy it, more power to them. No one has been able to stop it.  I don't see why the game company shouldn't profit instead of e-bay, or gold sellers.  It's called the capitalism. @#$% Off if you don't like it.  Life is P2W go complain about that.

As I see it AoW has 3 payment models.

Free to Play

P2P-Buy the game w/Subscription

And.. If you give us more money than a reasonable human being would, you can have it all in less time.  Have fun being overpowered for a week, oh wait... Too late.  There are already tons of people just like you that didn't pay us 2000 dollars to level faster. GG thanks for the money!

this is the grandfather of all f2p games it has cashshop, gold sales and p2p, now which other games has all that atm.

fact game is fully optimized to get players to spend real cash to advance their toon only for the serious minded players.

so its a big PAY2WIN.

just saying.

I haven't played AoW, and have no real beef with it, doesn't intrests me.

However, maybe because I've been around these forums for a long time now, maybe any given number of reasons..but anytime I see someone with their first posts being promoting a game, to be more specific a foreign game, and  their post is full of spelling errors and grammatical errors makes me very, very, very suspicious.

I'm going to go ahead and say the OP has some sort of investment in AoW...are they an employee?  who know's but I've become real jaded by these types of posts.

Something more is going on here, I find it very hard to believe that some random player got so interested in the game they felt the need to create an account at mmorpg.com and for their very first post defend the games cash shop model...

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by supercaio886

"I will buy gold conver to silver and buy all max gear haha I will own muahaha":

The current max gear in the game right now is Silver item , you can craft it so easily , or you can buy from trade market . If you are a fucking lazy person , even like that you can buy a piece of a silver item everyday , and that is for someone really lazy.

thats pay to win for my personal definition -- opinions will vary

I agree, if there is a system in game that allows a player to pay more money then another player, to aqurie something that makes him more powerfull, in any way no matter how small, you are paying to win, period end of story.

Whether you do win or not is another discussion, but the avenue is there and the developer proftis. I dont have a problem with people wasting there money in a cash shop but I dont have a problem when the things I want are only in the cash shop and the cost to play without bring massivly inconvienced becomes greater than a sub game.  Which happens quite frequently and the cost not couple of bucks more its allot more.

Originally posted by crysent

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So according to your conspiracy theory, Snail USA decides after 3 months of beta testing to create an mmorpg.com account this week, defending their cash shop model with an OP full of swear words and typos?   Whoa, just whoa lol

A tad bit of info for you:
The NA AOW server has a truly multicultural and multilingual player base.

Originally posted by theoccult

Originally posted by crysent

I haven't played AoW, and have no real beef with it, doesn't intrests me.

 

However, maybe because I've been around these forums for a long time now, maybe any given number of reasons..but anytime I see someone with their first posts being promoting a game, to be more specific a foreign game, and  their post is full of spelling errors and grammatical errors makes me very, very, very suspicious.

 

I'm going to go ahead and say the OP has some sort of investment in AoW...are they an employee?  who know's but I've become real jaded by these types of posts.

 

Something more is going on here, I find it very hard to believe that some random player got so interested in the game they felt the need to create an account at mmorpg.com and for their very first post defend the games cash shop model...

 

So according to your conspiracy theory, Snail USA decides after 3 months of beta testing to create an mmorpg.com account this week, defending their cash shop model with an OP full of swear words and typos?   Whoa, just whoa lol

 

A tad bit of info for you:
The NA AOW server has a truly multicultural and multilingual player base.

 

Yes.  Exactly my "theory" as I explained it in my post, down to a T.  I believe you summed up well EXACTLY what I was trying to hint at in my post.

I think you utilize a little bit of straw-man and hyperbole.  Do I think it would be completely far fetched for an employee of some gaming company to decide to pop on the forums here and start defending their game?  Absolutly not.  Do I think gaming companies, especially smaller ones might, from time to time have employee's post as regular 'players' on these forums to help promote their game?  I definitly think it happens.  Probably quite often.

I've posted what I found odd about the OP.  Their very first post ever on the forums here is defending the cash shop model of a game that has been under scrutiny.

 Do I think it's a company wide "Conspiracy"?  I dunno, but I like how that's where you took it.

Originally posted by supercaio886

Its not abour ur opinion.

 

If someone is willing to pay 100 dollars to have a gear that everyone can get the EXACTLY same gear in a few days of playng.

Oh and that days he had ahead wont guarantee any win at all - far from it.

Yes he is payng , but tell me where the hell is he WINNING?

 as such then it is also not about your "OPiNION" and 90% of your OP was opinion. ie what in your "Opinion" is pay to win and why in your "Opinion" anyone should bother to give the game a try.

   A advantage of 1 weeks game play time (what are we talking here 40 hours or more?) that can be bought is P2W. Call it lazy if you want but for some that can make $100 in 2-4 hours or so of work its actually somewhat practicle. In this case the "WINNING" is the somewhat subjective being ahead with less time actually invested. Now if said player that goes in P@W also polays the game alot they will basically always be ahead and have a advantage over those that just play. ie investment of time and money will always be > then just investment of time.

  The fact that you have to pay monthly to renew a graphic only skin sound like a serious greedy money grab. How exactly do they explain the reasoning for charging players for the same graphic skin time and time again? Its obvious;ly not to pay the devs or graphic artisits as the creation of said skin graphic is a one time investment and as such should be a one time charge. Heheh and don't tell us its a data storage cost for the graphic aas the actual turning on and off of the graphic (checking to see if its been paid for again etc) would cost far more. 

Originally posted by Opapanax

LoL.. Listen..

We all know you can't buy anything in the Cash Shop right now as far as equipment and skills that aren't in game... The Pay 2 Win is not of your traditional kind. It's a more varied form of Paying to Win. Whatever really defines a Win in P2W? What the person is winning is not even really the important part here.

The important part is the amounts of irl cash that is being converterd into in game silver that is then used to purchase wares that are at outrageous prices. Purchasing these items at extream prices encourages those who are price gouging to continue to do so and gives them the reason to increase prices on stuff that is only slightly better..

Another thing I keep hearing. Gear doesn't matter.. That is true to an extent but gear is not useless by any means. It adds to hit points it adds to internal points. It adds to damage done and damage reduction. Gear matters.. Skill comes into play when perfoming combat moves properly and "out skilling" a opponnet.

If gear didn't matter then it would not change any stats and you wouldn't see people running around in gear thats all for their school stats and you wouldn't see how some of these players moves are able to kill others in a matter of seconds. Thats' not even the argument here but when I see that, it makes me laugh that people try to convince themselves that things like this do not have an effect on the outcome of fights.

The Paying to Win comes in the form of having to spend more and more just to be on the level playing field with the richest of the rich players. They will have much better gear than you and they will have skills from schools and the Jianghu ones that just makes them seem even more powered by the amounts of money they have put into the game.

They aren't the only player in the realm so of course it's not an absolute shutdwon the server win, but if you are ahead in the race you are currently winning.. amirite?

  ^This^ +1

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Kenshin_Himura
It's a open pvp game so you can't compare it with other games if someone gets everything fast cause of real money it's paytowin he will kill other players that are not spending their paycheck in this game. 

You are intentionally being dense with your argument now... You could spend a million dollars and it wont make a difference. Wait I lied you'll WOULD have been 2 weeks ahead.

 Thats a pretty HUGE advantage for some people, since the P2W people can pay and play they will always be at least 2 weeks ahead of players that play every min they can.

Originally posted by Purutzil

No matter how you chop it up, its P2W in some form, whether or not its acceptable is up to you the user. 

 

Thing is, if your going to call Age of Wushu P2W, then you need to say that GW2 is P2W as well as it has the same type of system in place, and in an even stronger form due to the fact you can basically trade for the best gear and gold having a big value in WvW for seige items to boost your ability to perform.

 

Basically, if your going to call Age of Wushu P2W, your going have to claim other games are P2W as well, and in that form just how much 'P2W' they are will depend greatly on what the user views P2W as.

Sorry, GW2 is not - the items in the cash shop are cosmetic.. Sure you can buy XP boost tiems but you can also make them and get them easily other ways. So, GW2 is not P2W.

Don't know anything about AoW and basically reading all the threads, don't care to. The game sounds more like a job than fun to me.

Sorry to say it but any game that allows the players to buy an advantage over other players with real life money would be a p2w game set-up by the sheer fact you will now have an advantage over any other equally skilled/advanced player bought with rl money. Even if that advantage can be over come by other more skilled players, or by spending time in game to off-set it, you are still giving players an advantage over other players at a rl price. 

I mean if you have two equally skilled players in the game pvp against  each other, than they will have largely an equal chance of winning. Yet in this aow's set  up the same two equally skilled players would have differentt chances of winning based on which one paid to gain gear an skills faster, and so now has a tangable advantage over the other player till they choose to pay to equalize that difference, or the paying pvper reaches the cap an the non-paying pvper catches up (which could take weeks.). Yet this is not a like other games where you literally pay to gain the  best gear, and suuch via money, but it is still pay to win by the fact you are paying to gain a advantage over other players (even if this advantage is largely able to be off-set by the difference in skill between two players.).

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Kenshin_Himura
It's a open pvp game so you can't compare it with other games if someone gets everything fast cause of real money it's paytowin he will kill other players that are not spending their paycheck in this game. 

You are intentionally being dense with your argument now... You could spend a million dollars and it wont make a difference. Wait I lied you'll WOULD have been 2 weeks ahead.

 Thats a pretty HUGE advantage for some people, since the P2W people can pay and play they will always be at least 2 weeks ahead of players that play every min they can.

No, they will not always be two weeks ahead. Skills are capped. That's why I said " WOULD HAVE been." Spend all you want, you might be able to hit cap 2 weeks before the other guy, but in two weeks the other guy will be at the same cap.

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by Purutzil

No matter how you chop it up, its P2W in some form, whether or not its acceptable is up to you the user. 

 

Thing is, if your going to call Age of Wushu P2W, then you need to say that GW2 is P2W as well as it has the same type of system in place, and in an even stronger form due to the fact you can basically trade for the best gear and gold having a big value in WvW for seige items to boost your ability to perform.

 

Basically, if your going to call Age of Wushu P2W, your going have to claim other games are P2W as well, and in that form just how much 'P2W' they are will depend greatly on what the user views P2W as.

Sorry, GW2 is not - the items in the cash shop are cosmetic.. Sure you can buy XP boost tiems but you can also make them and get them easily other ways. So, GW2 is not P2W.

 

Don't know anything about AoW and basically reading all the threads, don't care to. The game sounds more like a job than fun to me.

Botrytis.. you cant even buy xp boost in AoW cashop. The systems they run are almost identical. Replace the word gold with gems and wahla.

I do feel it's easier to make money in AoW than GW2 though. Imo it's easier to make money in AoW because professions are profitable at all levels.

An example:
I dueled a friend of mine this week. Both characters are from the same school. His character is all decked out with higher internal and fighting skills, upgraded armor/weapons, while mine is not. Still I won every single duel against him.

AOW combat system has way more to do with knowing how to counter your opponent's attack or defense skills, when to block, when to get out of the way, timing of your flying or combat skills, than with who has the most shinies.

I think non AOW players, when watching videos of the duels, might assume it's just button smashing, when it's not, because it's what we all are used to from so many other games.

Sadly, I have experienced P2W games, but this surely isn't one of them. 

Us, who enjoy the game, can give examples, or state facts till the cows come home. It won't stop the trolls from insisting this is a P2W themepark with undercover snail employees and all that other nonsense.

I mean look at the last response I've received. That guy, in his desperate attempt to make a point, is now having conversations with himself lol

Whatever positive things we state here is like catnip to the naysayers.

Originally posted by Dantae87
who cares if its pay2win or not its a horrible game all together...played it for a few hrs and coutn even figure out wtf to do...too japanees for me and waaaay to confuzing...plus dated graphics

Thank god this review came to me before I got more indulged into the game more.

Guys this game is Japanese, not Chinese. 

- 2 internets for that post.

Originally posted by tommy-xx

Originally posted by Dantae87
who cares if its pay2win or not its a horrible game all together...played it for a few hrs and coutn even figure out wtf to do...too japanees for me and waaaay to confuzing...plus dated graphics

Thank god this review came to me before I got more indulged into the game more.

Guys this game is Japanese, not Chinese. 

- 2 internets for that post.

I am .... my mind can not process someone with a japanese anime catgirl banner saying something is too japanese.