PoE is a Diablo clone- if that is news to you, I'm not sure what to say.  The important concept is that it is a Diablo 1/2 clone and not a Diablo 3 clone.  Understand that, and I think you will eventually see the acusation as a complement for GGG.

Diablo 3 might've failed the genre on many fronts, but they definitely improved the public party with personal loot.  PoE stuck to the old FFA loot mode and fails to offer a decent cooperative public party experience.

Originally posted by jdnyc

Originally posted by MMOGamer71
WoW, Diablo and Blizzard cloned 1st Edition Dungeons and Dragons.

WoW cloned Warhammer

Warhammer cloned D&D

D&D cloned Tolkein and Wargame minatures.

Tolkein cloned WW2

WW2 cloned Evil

Evil Cloned Bible

Bible Cloned God

God

 

Yeah something like that.  The point being?  WoW, Diablo and Blizzard are not original concepts, the implementation of them through gameplay are though.

Originally posted by Aviggin
Would have been nice if they had at least done male and female versions of all classes. The worst aspect of D1/ D2 that they decided to copy.

having every class in male & female costs lots of dev ressources on making the items look "classish + genderish". GGG = small dev team = just one gender makes perfectly sense as it does not add that much for that sort of game :)

Originally posted by xenom

Originally posted by Aviggin
Would have been nice if they had at least done male and female versions of all classes. The worst aspect of D1/ D2 that they decided to copy.

having every class in male & female costs lots of dev ressources on making the items look "classish + genderish". GGG = small dev team = just one gender makes perfectly sense as it does not add that much for that sort of game :)

yeah - game started out as three guys in a garage and I think the entire team for the most part was like what?  Ten people?

Originally posted by xenom

Originally posted by Aviggin
Would have been nice if they had at least done male and female versions of all classes. The worst aspect of D1/ D2 that they decided to copy.

having every class in male & female costs lots of dev ressources on making the items look "classish + genderish". GGG = small dev team = just one gender makes perfectly sense as it does not add that much for that sort of game :)

Meh, I understand why it was done, but gender-locked classes are a big turn off for me. Still, I'll download it, 'cause at least Shadow looks somewhat fun.

Originally posted by baphamet

not saying this is a bad game but why is it that if a game is labeled a "wow clone" its automatically hated on but this game being a diablo clone gets praise?

not only is this game a diablo clone, some of it is a direct rip off.

from character selection to the inventory panel to the UI (and this is just from playing the game for 10 minutes, there is probably much more)

its actually pretty funny how blatantly they ripped off diablo.

whatever happened to these indie companies being more creative? isn't that why so many of you support them? or is it just because you hate the big companies like blizzard that make tons of money?

i am not trying to post flame bait, but the double standard just seems odd to me.

 

 

Sounds like to me that you're disgruntled that Borecraft and D3 continue to have bad marks while a new game like Path of Exile has merit. There's a big difference when a company makes a game that people truly want and not just rehash the same game over and over again. (Like that company you mentioned). They have an amazing setup and the game designers are more passionate about what they create. It's an art that was lost long ago but has been found again by a company willing to make a game worthy of contending with one of the best in so many people's eyes. I'd say that says quite a bit. :)

You played for 10 minutes... 

It probably took you more time to come up with this pointless thread

Originally posted by Crunchy222

Originally posted by aleos

i dont see any double standard. i see a game filling a space that was left empty.

 

all anyone ever wanted was Diablo 2 in HD, at least thats all i wanted.. not a carebear overhaul to appease a greater audiance. So unlike this new diablo. Path of Exile actually allows me to allocate skill points. it doesnt do it for me. And the ability to use ANY power i flippin want by meeting basic requirements and an open slot on my weapons or armor that i can remove and replace at any time with no charge or hassel. sign me up.

have you even seen that skill tree? its glorious..

 

Did i mention its free.

More people play D3 than POE.

Some people care more about entertaining combat mechanics than graphical looks, in fact i would argue more do.

Your trading entertaining combat for graphics with POE...oh and its not blizzard, some people thats the largest factor in them enjoying a game apparently.

 

But yes, the game is kind of a D2 ripoff...however you really can make the argument that a 12 year old game has better combat.  Also itemization was far better in D2.  If D3 hadnt pissed off a minority of the D2 crowd POE wouldnt even be on the radar.  The fans are grossly inflating the games greatness.

Before long, more people will be playing Path of Exile. If you don't think so, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I would suggest that you stay in the water-down game that is D3. Afterall, you sound like another disgruntled Blizzard fan that can never stand it when any game does something better or has more merit than Blizzard games these days. (They did it to themselves with their greed. I don't feel sorry or bad for them. It will happen to any company that follows that same path).

Here's to the companies that are passionate about games and about those that play them. :) Let's hope that this is a new marker for how companies become. (possibly wishful thinking, it does not hurt nonetheless).

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Originally posted by Shodanas
Can you please elaborate on how PoE "...blatantly ripped off dablo."? The UI? Because the health / mana orbs are located left and right? And sure, character selection and the inventory panel define wether a game is good or bad. Are you for real? Why don't you tell us about the things who actually matter like the skill sysytem. Or the excellent active / support gem system which provides ground for tons of experimentation. Or the innovative barter system in place of the old currency one.

Remove your fanboy glasses and then you'll see that the F2P PoE puts the 60 euro DIII to shame.

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the inventory pannel looks exactly the same, character selection looks exactly the same, the combat? so far its exactly the same.

fanboy glasses you say? umm i hate to break it you ya but i haven't played D3 in months and will not play it ever again until it has pvp and even then i may not.

its more likely that i will be playing this game actually lol

maybe you should take your "fanboy glasses" off and realize that this game is in fact a direct rip off from diablo.

like i said originally, i don't think its a bad game as i have not played it enough to make a judgment like that.

but just from playing it 10 minutes i can see that they haven't just made a game similar to diablo, they directly ripped it off.

which is not necessarily a bad thing but it damn sure isn't an indie game company being creative, which is why so many of you claim to like indie games.

it is indeed a double standard.

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Originally posted by Razperil

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Originally posted by baphamet not saying this is a bad game but why is it that if a game is labeled a "wow clone" its automatically hated on but this game being a diablo clone gets praise? not only is this game a diablo clone, some of it is a direct rip off. from character selection to the inventory panel to the UI (and this is just from playing the game for 10 minutes, there is probably much more) its actually pretty funny how blatantly they ripped off diablo. whatever happened to these indie companies being more creative? isn't that why so many of you support them? or is it just because you hate the big companies like blizzard that make tons of money? i am not trying to post flame bait, but the double standard just seems odd to me.    

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Sounds like to me that you're disgruntled that Borecraft and D3 continue to have bad marks while a new game like Path of Exile has merit. There's a big difference when a company makes a game that people truly want and not just rehash the same game over and over again. (Like that company you mentioned). They have an amazing setup and the game designers are more passionate about what they create. It's an art that was lost long ago but has been found again by a company willing to make a game worthy of contending with one of the best in so many people's eyes. I'd say that says quite a bit. :)

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and you are definitely wrong as i don't play either of those games and probably never will again.

just pointing out the double standard, you don't have to like it. :)

Originally posted by baphamet

not saying this is a bad game but why is it that if a game is labeled a "wow clone" its automatically hated on but this game being a diablo clone gets praise?

not only is this game a diablo clone, some of it is a direct rip off.

from character selection to the inventory panel to the UI (and this is just from playing the game for 10 minutes, there is probably much more)

its actually pretty funny how blatantly they ripped off diablo.

whatever happened to these indie companies being more creative? isn't that why so many of you support them? or is it just because you hate the big companies like blizzard that make tons of money?

i am not trying to post flame bait, but the double standard just seems odd to me.

 

 

Wow is viewed as a step back in the progression of quality mmos   diablo 1 and 2 are both at the top of the list for action dungeon crawlers. That is the simple difference. We WANT more diablo 2 we dont want more WoW. There is no argument here to be had. Couldn't be any more simple or obvious for you.

Originally posted by baphamet

not saying this is a bad game but why is it that if a game is labeled a "wow clone" its automatically hated on but this game being a diablo clone gets praise?

not only is this game a diablo clone, some of it is a direct rip off.

from character selection to the inventory panel to the UI (and this is just from playing the game for 10 minutes, there is probably much more)

its actually pretty funny how blatantly they ripped off diablo.

whatever happened to these indie companies being more creative? isn't that why so many of you support them? or is it just because you hate the big companies like blizzard that make tons of money?

i am not trying to post flame bait, but the double standard just seems odd to me.

 

What about the totally different passive skill and gem skill system? I mean im not gonna argue that it's not a ripoff...it is. MY personal issue with most wow clones is that they are inferior to the original...in POE's case barring the amount of content, it is at least as good if not superior to d2. I don't hate blizzard because they make tons of money, I hate them because they make bad games now.

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Originally posted by Zooce
PoE is a Diablo clone- if that is news to you, I'm not sure what to say.  The important concept is that it is a Diablo 1/2 clone and not a Diablo 3 clone.  Understand that, and I think you will eventually see the acusation as a complement for GGG.

 

Diablo 3 might've failed the genre on many fronts, but they definitely improved the public party with personal loot.  PoE stuck to the old FFA loot mode and fails to offer a decent cooperative public party experience.

 

 

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POE being a diablo clone is not news to me, did you read my OP?

my point is games get hated on here for simply being a clone of another game (even to a much lesser extent than this game) and not being creative or original enough, yet this game is one of the more blatant clones and it gets praise?

i understand the point that there isn't a lot of these types of games and some people didn't like D3

but i do wonder that if a game like this was made by a bigger more established company, would people still be so in love with it?

i tend to think not in many cases.

Originally posted by baphamet

not saying this is a bad game but why is it that if a game is labeled a "wow clone" its automatically hated on but this game being a diablo clone gets praise?

not only is this game a diablo clone, some of it is a direct rip off.

from character selection to the inventory panel to the UI (and this is just from playing the game for 10 minutes, there is probably much more)

its actually pretty funny how blatantly they ripped off diablo.

whatever happened to these indie companies being more creative? isn't that why so many of you support them? or is it just because you hate the big companies like blizzard that make tons of money?

i am not trying to post flame bait, but the double standard just seems odd to me.

 

 

Once you realise how awesome the mechanics of this game are you will throw your diablo 3 box to the garbage just like kripparrian did.

At the beggining i was saying that this game has no chances even against the crap game diablo 3 but after iu played it for a while i realised that poe is 100 times better than diablo 3.

Sure diablo 2 was a great game and diablo 3 ruined everything we knew but poe is here to give us back that oldschool feeling.

For those saying that combat is slow etc wait till you gain some lvls and see for your self how slow the combat is,otherwise look some streaming on twitch.tv and you will get the idea.

I see poe becoming a huge success over the years for an arpg and it's the best on the market right now.

Originally posted by Aviggin
Would have been nice if they had at least done male and female versions of all classes. The worst aspect of D1/ D2 that they decided to copy.

With the way the skill systems work.. you can make any class into any class. You want to be a male archer? choose a shadow and head south in the passive tree.. or make a Dualist and head north in the passive tree. Everything is possible; claw weilding Templar, Melee Witch. Don't narrow down your options by sticking to what you 'think' it should be like.. you can do anything in this game skill and class wise.

Originally posted by baphamet

 

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Originally posted by Zooce
PoE is a Diablo clone- if that is news to you, I'm not sure what to say.  The important concept is that it is a Diablo 1/2 clone and not a Diablo 3 clone.  Understand that, and I think you will eventually see the acusation as a complement for GGG.

 

 

Diablo 3 might've failed the genre on many fronts, but they definitely improved the public party with personal loot.  PoE stuck to the old FFA loot mode and fails to offer a decent cooperative public party experience.

 

 

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POE being a diablo clone is not news to me, did you read my OP?

my point is games get hated on here for simply being a clone of another game (even to a much lesser extent than this game) and not being creative or original enough, yet this game is one of the more blatant clones and it gets praise?

i understand the point that there isn't a lot of these types of games and some people didn't like D3

but i do wonder that if a game like this was made by a bigger more established company, would people still be so in love with it?

i tend to think not in many cases.

 

You could think that OR you could realize that the only thing people rail against here is wow clones. This in a genre where while wow is a good game it is mostly viewed as a step back. Diablo 1 and 2 are exactly what we want more of where wow is not. 

D2 was the pinnacle of ARPG's, there has yet to be an ARPG as good. It was praised then, it's praised now, it's the reason so many people are unhappy with D3. Will PoE dethrone D2 as the greatest ARPG of all time (/kanye)? Possibly, it's really very good, it's missing some polish and isn't 100% complete, but it is right there nipping at D2's heels.

WoW on the other hand has evolved too much even from itself. So you can differentiate between Vanilla WoW, TBC, WotLK, Cata, and MoP. Some say only Vanilla was good, some felt TBC was the best of WoW. Personally I really enjoyed Vanilla through WotLK, but Cata and MoP were just not there.

So D2 clone is a good thing, just like if someone were going to make a Planescape: Torment clone - that would be awesome.

Originally posted by baphamet

Originally posted by Zooce
PoE is a Diablo clone- if that is news to you, I'm not sure what to say.  The important concept is that it is a Diablo 1/2 clone and not a Diablo 3 clone.  Understand that, and I think you will eventually see the acusation as a complement for GGG.

 

Diablo 3 might've failed the genre on many fronts, but they definitely improved the public party with personal loot.  PoE stuck to the old FFA loot mode and fails to offer a decent cooperative public party experience.

POE being a diablo clone is not news to me, did you read my OP?

my point is games get hated on here for simply being a clone of another game (even to a much lesser extent than this game) and not being creative or original enough, yet this game is one of the more blatant clones and it gets praise?

i understand the point that there isn't a lot of these types of games and some people didn't like D3

but i do wonder that if a game like this was made by a bigger more established company, would people still be so in love with it?

i tend to think not in many cases.

Try not to get so caught up with the clone labels and what they imply.  PoE copied the formula for a successful 'gear grinding game' and added some unique improvements such as the skill tree and skill gems.  Their economy is based on item barter instead of gold.  List goes on, but those are some major differences that change the user's experience.

PoE gets praise because the developers at GGG deserve it.  I was in closed beta for over a year and have never seen the amount of forum communication from developers anywhere else.  

Spend some time reading through the beta skill feedback forum and you will see what I mean by developer interaction with the community.  Also consider GGG stated from the onset:

Path of Exile is completely free to download and play. We never intend to charge for content or access to the released game. In order to fund the development and continued expansion of Path of Exile, we offer a range of ethical microtransactions that allow you to distinguish yourself in the world of Wraeclast without receiving any gameplay advantage. We are completely opposed to the concept of “pay-to-win”.

How can you not be in love with this vision?  I would support a "bigger more established company" if this was the way they conducted business.  GGG is the first to try such a feat as far as I know though.  Maybe they can set a precedent for others to follow.