Originally posted by evilastro

I strongly disagree. If you had said this last week, then yes, you may have been right, because you would have to grind gold to buy jewellery. However with this weeks patch, you can now get fully exotic geared with karma alone (you can now purchase back and jewellery with karma from Orr).

240k is nothing, you get at least 10k per day for the dailies (plus whatever you get from doing the DEs while you do it) and 100k for the monthly achievements. By the time you finish leveling a character you should have more than enough karma to purchase a full set of exotic. Putting you at pretty much max power.

The ascended is a bit of a grind, but thats the whole point - to give a longer term goal. But you are talking about a 1% increase in quality.

Where are these exotics purchased?

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by Madimorga

This is the rudest subforum I've ever been in.  But anyway.

 

The Ascended gear should and could have been cosmetic only, but Anet knew perfectly well if it had been cosmetic people wouldn't be grinding fractals like they are.  So they put stat advantages on it.  Not insignificant stats, either.

 

Then they didn't even have the courtesy to make sure those of us who don't do dungeons can get the gear in the same time frame.  Totally goes back on what they said about players not being forced to grind dungeons at level cap.  Totally goes against 'play your way'.

 

I don't have to get 'dominated' in pvp by someone's gear to know when a close fight I lost would have been a win.  Anyone who has gone into WvW undergeared and underleveled knows what it's like to lose to a worse player due to stats.   

 

 

 

They're adding more avenues towards ascended gear as we speak. They've just added a "dailies = ascended gear" route, so you never have to set foot in Fractals if you don't want to, and they'll be adding more avenues in the near future, including some PvP specific ones for the sPvP or WvW crowds. 

 

By the way... the most someone will have in WvW is two ascended rings with marginally better stats. If you get dominated by someone there it's not the rings that are to blame. They just simply beat you that fight, or were a thief. 

nice one i only saw 1 top skilled thief (server fort Ranik -French), usually thy suck bigtime as they get killed very fast , after 3 months WxWxW-PvP everyone should deal with thiefs in an average way. and its true 4 or 3 points more in stats in a ring or amulet doesn't save you skin if you suck on PvP.

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by evilastro

I strongly disagree. If you had said this last week, then yes, you may have been right, because you would have to grind gold to buy jewellery. However with this weeks patch, you can now get fully exotic geared with karma alone (you can now purchase back and jewellery with karma from Orr).

240k is nothing, you get at least 10k per day for the dailies (plus whatever you get from doing the DEs while you do it) and 100k for the monthly achievements. By the time you finish leveling a character you should have more than enough karma to purchase a full set of exotic. Putting you at pretty much max power.

The ascended is a bit of a grind, but thats the whole point - to give a longer term goal. But you are talking about a 1% increase in quality.

Where are these exotics purchased?

The vendors in Orr have armor available for karma, including now back pieces, rings and I think trinkets? Basically it's the armor vendors at the temples there. I've found as of the patch that most of the waypoints have been open and those that aren't are being fought to open, so it's much easier to get there than before the patch.

Originally posted by pedrostrik

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by Madimorga

This is the rudest subforum I've ever been in.  But anyway.

 

The Ascended gear should and could have been cosmetic only, but Anet knew perfectly well if it had been cosmetic people wouldn't be grinding fractals like they are.  So they put stat advantages on it.  Not insignificant stats, either.

 

Then they didn't even have the courtesy to make sure those of us who don't do dungeons can get the gear in the same time frame.  Totally goes back on what they said about players not being forced to grind dungeons at level cap.  Totally goes against 'play your way'.

 

I don't have to get 'dominated' in pvp by someone's gear to know when a close fight I lost would have been a win.  Anyone who has gone into WvW undergeared and underleveled knows what it's like to lose to a worse player due to stats.   

 

 

 

They're adding more avenues towards ascended gear as we speak. They've just added a "dailies = ascended gear" route, so you never have to set foot in Fractals if you don't want to, and they'll be adding more avenues in the near future, including some PvP specific ones for the sPvP or WvW crowds. 

 

By the way... the most someone will have in WvW is two ascended rings with marginally better stats. If you get dominated by someone there it's not the rings that are to blame. They just simply beat you that fight, or were a thief. 

nice one i only saw 1 top skilled thief (server fort Ranik -French), usually thy suck bigtime as they get killed very fast , after 3 months WxWxW-PvP everyone should deal with thiefs in an average way. and its true 4 or 3 points more in stats in a ring or amulet doesn't save you skin if you suck on PvP.

The thief part was of course a joke. Now, they can take down my mesmer fast if they get me while stealthed and I'm not set up with a stun break of some sort, but if I can see them I have a fair shot at beating them.

Originally posted by Madimorga

This is the rudest subforum I've ever been in.  But anyway.

 

The Ascended gear should and could have been cosmetic only, but Anet knew perfectly well if it had been cosmetic people wouldn't be grinding fractals like they are.  So they put stat advantages on it.  Not insignificant stats, either.

 

Then they didn't even have the courtesy to make sure those of us who don't do dungeons can get the gear in the same time frame.  Totally goes back on what they said about players not being forced to grind dungeons at level cap.  Totally goes against 'play your way'.

 

I don't have to get 'dominated' in pvp by someone's gear to know when a close fight I lost would have been a win.  Anyone who has gone into WvW undergeared and underleveled knows what it's like to lose to a worse player due to stats.   

 

 

underleved its sure truth, sometimes i only spam skill number 1 to an underleved , but hey why in the hell a L<30 would go there? they even got an elite skill,

To be fair underleveled haves their own plot in WxWxW, as suport on siege weapons or carrying supply cause in dmg they suck,

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by evilastro

I strongly disagree. If you had said this last week, then yes, you may have been right, because you would have to grind gold to buy jewellery. However with this weeks patch, you can now get fully exotic geared with karma alone (you can now purchase back and jewellery with karma from Orr).

240k is nothing, you get at least 10k per day for the dailies (plus whatever you get from doing the DEs while you do it) and 100k for the monthly achievements. By the time you finish leveling a character you should have more than enough karma to purchase a full set of exotic. Putting you at pretty much max power.

The ascended is a bit of a grind, but thats the whole point - to give a longer term goal. But you are talking about a 1% increase in quality.

Where are these exotics purchased?

You can purchase Race armor in the main city for each race (cost the same as Orders armor about 9K). Also the Karma, on Orr, are at different temples through out Orr and cost 252K karma for a full set.

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by evilastro

I strongly disagree. If you had said this last week, then yes, you may have been right, because you would have to grind gold to buy jewellery. However with this weeks patch, you can now get fully exotic geared with karma alone (you can now purchase back and jewellery with karma from Orr).

240k is nothing, you get at least 10k per day for the dailies (plus whatever you get from doing the DEs while you do it) and 100k for the monthly achievements. By the time you finish leveling a character you should have more than enough karma to purchase a full set of exotic. Putting you at pretty much max power.

The ascended is a bit of a grind, but thats the whole point - to give a longer term goal. But you are talking about a 1% increase in quality.

Where are these exotics purchased?

You can purchase Race armor in the main city for each race (cost the same as Orders armor about 9K). Also the Karma, on Orr, are at different temples through out Orr and cost 252K karma for a full set.

I thought the Tier 3 sets were just Rare?

Who cares if you have to grind or not? The problem is that the game isn't worth the grind.

I've gladly done thousands of hours of grinding in WoW over five years (pre-MoP). Elemental Grindstones, Elemental Resistance gear Heart of Darkness, Sunmotes, fish, herbs, gold, flasks, everything that you can imagine and then more. But it was worth it.

How does it matter if you have to grind or not in a game like GW2? Just play something else.

all relative here: standard exotic (karma) gear grind is not that bad and comparable to WoW heroic gear.

crafted gear is not grind at all but need money.
Legendary can be anything as now you have essential choice of all real and hidden f2p (buy to win) games: or you spend months to make money or you pay for it.

you can still spend ages on dungeon runs to get your gear and money.

question is: why you may need such good items and second one: what else to do if not grind anything?

GW1 gave you same lvl 20 gear for cheap, so nobody could complain. Some nice looking skin (same stats) requested part of grind or more like work of it as it was fun grind.=D

at GW1 I never used to really solo farm anything but brawler dungeon (it was easy and fast though) and I got a lot of money and like min 2 skinned armor per alt.

At GW1 I got large choice of activities and sometime got no time for all of them. Grind there used to be for getting some achievements similar to TBC reputation grind at WoW. Get them was optional choice, at most of the case giving nothing much for your might (some added might too, look GW1 wiki for all details).

I can't tell GW2 request grind. Also can't tell you have a lot to do there....
Legendary weapons are bull shh to me as they give you armor stats (toughness etc see wiki).

A-net told you need like 1 year of gring? playing? farming? to get this weapon. But in good news you can buy it by buying gems and selling these in game (all from Trade Post). So if you have money to spend, get your weapon and no grind.

Ascended itens are bit different as you need to grind run FotM dungeon. Now they added these to daily reward vendors, so in like 100 days you can get your amulet + 2 rings.

To me worst grind part was world explore as it needed all zone quests to be done, but it was fast at least. So here we don't have "kill X, come back, kill Y" etc same mobs grind.

So again it's your choice to grind or not to grind legendary crap.

[mod edit]

Ok, seriously though. Theres no grind in this game. Ive been playing MMOs since Eq1, and tried just about every MMO thats out there, that gives a free trial or is F2P. Im sorry to say, but if you think anything in GW2 is a grind, you seriously are in the wrong genre of games. Remember when it took 6 months to reach level 50 in MMOs?? And that was the hardcore grinders. Casuals couldnt reach level cap before a new expansion came out. You have no idea what a grind is.

As for GW2. First, lets just get it out of the way, Legendaries. Sure they take alot of, well everything, mats, gold, karma, time. But what do you get for all that grind? Oh yea, nothing. There is 0 benifit from having a Legendary, not a single stat point higher or a single damage more. They are 100% cosmetic. The most you can hope for when having a Legendary weapon is that now you are more of a target in PvP.

So moving on, Karma. If you dont have enough Karma by the time you hit level 80 to buy a Karma set of gear, I have no idea how you managed to level up to 80. Well, maybe you crafted all the way to 80. You certainly didnt play the game. Maybe you tried to grind mobs, without an event active or even nearby? Well thats on you, the game doesnt reward killing mobs, thats the slowest way to earn xp there is in the game. You were better off just crafting :)

Gear for gold? Ok, I dont think theres a single person on this forum thats gonna believe you when you say it takes 100s of gold to buy gear. Its just plain not true. Sure, you CAN spend that, if youre a complete idiot. All that 'special' loot, named items, and precursors or legendaries.... yea, that dont do anything for you. Again, not a single stat point higher, or damage dealt. Congrats, you just completely wasted your money. How does that make you feel?

Ascended stuff, ok this one I will give you, does add some stats. Sure theres only a couple pieces now, some rings, or back or whatever. But they are going to add more. Is it a grind? Not even close. First off, until recently you had to do FoTM to get it. Even then it cant be considered a grind, because it was ONLY 2 PIECES. Not a full set of anything, not a new 'tier' of gear like other MMOs give you. And they always said they will add more ways to get it, and guess what, they DID> ZOMG inorite. You can get Ascended gear from just playing the game, no grind. And they will be bringing it into WvW too. And the set is being introduced a few pieces at a time, every couple months. SO you can slowly, dare i say CASUALLY, earn it in your own time. No rush, no grind. What a shocker huh?

And lastly, to burst your very last bubble. You did not get 'dominated' in PvP because someone had an Ascended ring on. You also did not get pwned because you were underleveled. I am happy to bust this myth. Underleveled players are completely capable, sometimes even more so, to compete in WvW. I know youre talking about WvW, because sPvP doesnt even allow Ascended gear, or underleveled players. So you may not be aware of this, but WvW raises youre level to 80 when you enter. Not only that, but it raises your stats also. The game assumes, that by the time youre 80 you will have the highest gear quality for your level. The stats agree. Therefore a level 20 in best quality gear, can potentially have HIGHER stats than a lvl 80 in lower quality gear. Sure, you dont have access to all your traits, or utilities, or even an elite. I will give you that, but its quite possible that guy that just 'dominated' you was only level 10. Feel better? I love to WvW on lower level characters, most of mine are in thier teens. And I kill alot of people, even 1v1. Its easier than my 80, because i dont have to have exotics, or even rares, because at my level they dont exist. The game knows this, and my stats are increased accordingly. 

So what have we learned here today? First off, dont believe everything you read on the internet (if you do, Im a French model, call me). Second, GW2 doesnt have a grind, whether its levels, currency or gear, it just doesnt exist. [mod edit] I cant speak for every server, but I know mine is full. So, decide for yourself. [mod edit]

I don't mind grinding a little bit. I do mind grinding when there are things like DR in place that force you to play a specific way to avoid getting hit by it.

Originally posted by aiemageek
I think that the term "grind" is over used.

Agreed.  People have been using grind synonymously with content..

Grind = repeated actions, such as killing, in a single session for an extended period of time..

I understand a little the concerns on the armour of the dude quoted in the OP.

Sadly the exotics value sky rocketed to outer space in price since launch time by a lot. When I played at launch exotics didn't cost more than 3g each and was reasonable as sometimes you even got them trough dungeon drops but now oh god what happened in so few months? pieces costing 6g + weapons costing 9g + each and I don't know if loot drops have been changed but on the 2nd character I got to 80 I did 3 dungeon runs on explorer mode and using an item to boost magic find by 60-70% I got 1 exotic..... 1!!!!!

In no game even wow I ever liked having to grind for gold for countless hours because you can't afford what's available in auction (And it seems exotic drops is out of the question) and never will.

So in my opinion, yes the game is turning grindier by time sadly.

One Mans Grind is another Mans Content.

Originally posted by JimmyYO
The more realistic of us knew this game would fall into obscurity within a month or two and it hasn't disappointed. Even if all the Op said was false 1-80 still feels like a giant grind anyways.

GW2 fell into obscurity?

And I just thought this section is still the most visited game forum of this forum.

You want to know true grind you will need to get into a time machine and go back to 2006 and play Knight Online when they cut EXP in half after you hit lvl 62.

Yeah try gettign from 62-80 back then in less than a year.