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  Adamantine

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1/30/13 7:07:42 AM#21

I dont know about GW2, but GW1 got my 50 bucks or so and after 3 days of playing, I was bored sick and never returned.

50 bucks for just 3 days of playing ? Now thats a damn good profit for them.

  winter

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1/30/13 7:09:40 AM#22
Originally posted by Anthur
Originally posted by ice-vortex
Originally posted by Mardukk
Originally posted by ice-vortex
Originally posted by Aviggin
Originally posted by ice-vortex
They need to get rid of the gear restrictions. I don't want to pay into a game because I have to, I want to pay into a game because I want to.

Or, "I don't want to pay at all 'cause I'm cheap."

Yet I have spent more money in Guild Wars 2 than I ever would have if it had a monthly fee. I would have spent even more if there were more things in their cash shop that I wanted to buy. I like supporting games I enjoy playing. When they force me to spend money to experience their complete game, I simply avoid the game and they don't get my money.

 

I thought you had to pay $60 to play gw2? Im pretty sure you don't have to pay $60 to see most of the vg content.

You have to pay a monthly fee to access the higher end gear. I refuse to be forced to pay a monthly fee to play the full game.

According to their FAQ you can unlock the high end gear with "Unlock Item" potions from their marketplace. So I can't see a need to pay a monthly fee if you don't want to. Maybe I miss something....

http://www.vanguardthegame.com/faq.vm

 You have to pay to get the potionbs, and you can figure on getting and outgrowing gear monthly evne if you play casually once a week. thys every month you will need to buy more unlock potions unless you are willing to play somewhat gimped.

  Dirkin

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1/30/13 2:07:07 PM#23

You can play well past level 40 without having to worry much about the gear restrictions, and without being particularly gimped. You won't be able to use some of the gear, but it won't really affect your power much. If you intend to raid or anything like that at end game, I don't understand how you can complain much about having to pay a little.

 

Gear unlockers are 50 cents each.

  Aeonblades

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1/30/13 2:20:29 PM#24

Still can't use my gear on my characters because of rare or higher limitations. Played the game for a year before, SoE said they couldn't help me and I'm not about to shell them more money for this game as they already have over 200$ of it from before.

The other limitations are very gracious, but until they unlock items I already had from when I paid, and then paid more for 12 months, forget it. EQ1 deserves having a paid for membership. This game lacks enough meat to really have a need for gold membership.

Props to them for trying, looks great other than the gear locking!

Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
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  Phoebes

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1/30/13 2:35:08 PM#25
Originally posted by ice-vortex
Originally posted by Mardukk
Originally posted by ice-vortex
Originally posted by Aviggin
Originally posted by ice-vortex
They need to get rid of the gear restrictions. I don't want to pay into a game because I have to, I want to pay into a game because I want to.

Or, "I don't want to pay at all 'cause I'm cheap."

Yet I have spent more money in Guild Wars 2 than I ever would have if it had a monthly fee. I would have spent even more if there were more things in their cash shop that I wanted to buy. I like supporting games I enjoy playing. When they force me to spend money to experience their complete game, I simply avoid the game and they don't get my money.

 

I thought you had to pay $60 to play gw2? Im pretty sure you don't have to pay $60 to see most of the vg content.

You have to pay a monthly fee to access the higher end gear. I refuse to be forced to pay a monthly fee to play the full game.

So if the whole game is free how do you expect the game to stay around? Companies do have to pay bills and employees.

GW2 isn't f2p its b2p.

  Sovrath

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1/30/13 2:40:03 PM#26
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by kevjards

p.s. anyone who thinks this is a bad model is a total cheapskate.

 

This is 2013... being a cheapskate, having others carry you, and contributing nothing to your chosen hobby is 'cool'.

+1

  xalis

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Posts: 16

1/30/13 2:49:26 PM#27
Not to bad but since i bounce between EQ, EQ2, PS2 and VGSOH i just went with the all access pass for the year.
  dazzy

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Joined: 7/29/04
Posts: 15

1/30/13 2:54:31 PM#28

Rare and higher items will have limited availability for Free members.

 

If thats the case I won't be playing.

  kitarad

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Posts: 1281

1/30/13 3:03:55 PM#29
People say  " I will support a game if it is good ". So by the level you have to pay to unlock it ,is it not yet clear to you whether the game is good and deserves your support.  So what is the problem in spending some money by then ? Or is that just an excuse to not pay at all irregardless of the whether the game is good or not you just want everything for free.

  Aeonblades

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1/30/13 3:08:23 PM#30
Originally posted by dazzy

Rare and higher items will have limited availability for Free members.

 

If thats the case I won't be playing.

The sooner they get this message, the better off SoE will be. I have RL and online friends that have not come back for F2P over gear restrictions.

F2P only works as Fluff and vanity, fluff and vanity. Say it with me, Fluff and vanity. Otherwise it becomes a P2W game I.E. Gear locking.

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  User Deleted
1/30/13 3:16:59 PM#31

I may actually give this game a shot now. What exactly does "Item Restriction" entail?

 

  Torvaldr

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1/30/13 3:19:01 PM#32
Originally posted by kitarad
People say  " I will support a game if it is good ". So by the level you have to pay to unlock it ,is it not yet clear to you whether the game is good and deserves your support.  So what is the problem in spending some money by then ? Or is that just an excuse to not pay at all irregardless of the whether the game is good or not you just want everything for free.

It doesn't even cost that much Station Cash, at least not in EQ2.  You only really need to do this at level cap as well.  I just don't see this as an issue.

However, I do think they charge a pretty premium for their expansions (nothing wrong with that) and I could see a case made that if you shell out $50 for an expac you should be able to use all the gear, items, and skills dropped from that xpac.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Scorchien

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Posts: 1093

1/30/13 4:09:18 PM#33
Originally posted by ice-vortex
Originally posted by Mardukk
Originally posted by ice-vortex
Originally posted by Aviggin
Originally posted by ice-vortex
They need to get rid of the gear restrictions. I don't want to pay into a game because I have to, I want to pay into a game because I want to.

Or, "I don't want to pay at all 'cause I'm cheap."

Yet I have spent more money in Guild Wars 2 than I ever would have if it had a monthly fee. I would have spent even more if there were more things in their cash shop that I wanted to buy. I like supporting games I enjoy playing. When they force me to spend money to experience their complete game, I simply avoid the game and they don't get my money.

 

I thought you had to pay $60 to play gw2? Im pretty sure you don't have to pay $60 to see most of the vg content.

You have to pay a monthly fee to access the higher end gear. I refuse to be forced to pay a monthly fee to play the full game.

complelely False .. for a couple dollars youg x5 gear unlocks..

  firefly2003

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Joined: 1/16/08
Posts: 2573

I miss you Star Wars Galaxies...:(

1/30/13 4:13:27 PM#34
Originally posted by Aviggin
Originally posted by ice-vortex
They need to get rid of the gear restrictions. I don't want to pay into a game because I have to, I want to pay into a game because I want to.

Or, "I don't want to pay at all 'cause I'm cheap."

Sounds like the case to me :P if you like a game support it don't expect everything to be unrestricted cause people are tightwads....

  firefly2003

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I miss you Star Wars Galaxies...:(

1/30/13 4:19:04 PM#35
Originally posted by xalis
Not to bad but since i bounce between EQ, EQ2, PS2 and VGSOH i just went with the all access pass for the year.

Pretty much the way to go with their games, I do the all access plan as well and I find it to be a great value for my money each year for 6 MMOs full sub status :D

  firefly2003

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Posts: 2573

I miss you Star Wars Galaxies...:(

1/30/13 4:22:55 PM#36
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by kevjards

p.s. anyone who thinks this is a bad model is a total cheapskate.

 

This is 2013... being a cheapskate, having others carry you, and contributing nothing to your chosen hobby is 'cool'.

Seems to be the thing in real life as well, people carrying you , getting handouts and the such. While a group of people pay for your freebies... :P

  User Deleted
 
OP  1/30/13 11:01:47 PM#37
Originally posted by Anthur
Originally posted by ice-vortex
Originally posted by Mardukk
Originally posted by ice-vortex
Originally posted by Aviggin
Originally posted by ice-vortex
They need to get rid of the gear restrictions. I don't want to pay into a game because I have to, I want to pay into a game because I want to.

Or, "I don't want to pay at all 'cause I'm cheap."

Yet I have spent more money in Guild Wars 2 than I ever would have if it had a monthly fee. I would have spent even more if there were more things in their cash shop that I wanted to buy. I like supporting games I enjoy playing. When they force me to spend money to experience their complete game, I simply avoid the game and they don't get my money.

 

I thought you had to pay $60 to play gw2? Im pretty sure you don't have to pay $60 to see most of the vg content.

You have to pay a monthly fee to access the higher end gear. I refuse to be forced to pay a monthly fee to play the full game.

According to their FAQ you can unlock the high end gear with "Unlock Item" potions from their marketplace. So I can't see a need to pay a monthly fee if you don't want to. Maybe I miss something....

http://www.vanguardthegame.com/faq.vm

Yep you can. People like Ice-Vortex obviously had no intentions to spend any money at all on the game. If SoE switched to a model without the unlocks, they would lose a lot of subscribers and income, which they desperately need to polish this game. To be honest the unlocks are fairly cheap, like 5 items for 3 dollars. Its unlikely you would need more than 15 unlocks in a month, and that would drop a lot once you have reached higher levels of progression.

Personally I think it is enough that they unlock all classes and races, and give you access to the general leveling gear (you wont be getting anything above blue until you hit 50+).

Locking races and classes in Vanguard and EQ2 was the dumbest thing that SoE could have done when first launching F2P. The entire attraction of these games is the diversity, which was being gated off from the start behind a pay barrier. You now get to experience the full game, and if you think its worth sticking around for end game raiding and dungeons then you can start investing in the game that you enjoy.

  User Deleted
 
OP  1/30/13 11:04:45 PM#38
Originally posted by Beardyman

I may actually give this game a shot now. What exactly does "Item Restriction" entail?

 

Items above blue quality (rare) are restricted (it used to be above green, which was simply uncommon).

This means you have access to 99% of quest rewards and drops while leveling up to 55.

  niceguy3978

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2/01/13 10:24:52 AM#39
Originally posted by evilastro
Originally posted by Beardyman

I may actually give this game a shot now. What exactly does "Item Restriction" entail?

 

Items above blue quality (rare) are restricted (it used to be above green, which was simply uncommon).

This means you have access to 99% of quest rewards and drops while leveling up to 55.

 The way I read the f2p restrictions just now is that it is not above rair items being restricted, but rare and above items being restricted.  So to me this means that rare quality items are restricted as well.  Maybe they have said something different on the forums and this is old, I don't know.  The direct quote from the fine print subnote 2 is: "Rare and higher items will have limited availability for Free members."

Edit:  And I am glad this has changed because previously there were many green items that I got from quests that I couldn't equip.  That was one of the main reasons I quit playing.  I was annoyed with completing a low level quest and not being able to equip the item because I needed an unlock.  Now I get they need to make money, but I did have a problem with not being able to equip quest items.  I read later that they were fixing that aspect, but by then I had gotten engrossed in other games.

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