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  Mors.Magne

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1/30/13 2:15:52 PM#41
Originally posted by Minsc
Originally posted by Elandir90

The game is bad, the shooting is awkward, the graphics are kinda washed. Not fun enough to play actually. 

 

If you own a ps3 and want a good shooter there are better options. I can't see why anyone would play Dust instead of Battlefield 3 or Killzone 3, unless you are a EVE player who will earn something through it. 

while those shooters are good they are ultimately very shallow. and seeing as with Battlefield especially they are planning to release a new one every year, at $60 a shot for basically the same game some people would say that Dust has both better time value and better bang for their buck. I know that's my opinion. Especially with CCP's history of free updates.

 Yes, I agree.

I particularly agree that DUST promises more depth - if you want it to.

  Precusor

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1/30/13 4:29:52 PM#42
Originally posted by Mors.Magne

 Yes, I agree.

I particularly agree that DUST promises more depth - if you want it to.

I find that hard to believe.

  Mors.Magne

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1/30/13 4:41:48 PM#43
Originally posted by Precusor
Originally posted by Mors.Magne

 Yes, I agree.

I particularly agree that DUST promises more depth - if you want it to.

I find that hard to believe.

 For example, I've joined a mercinary corp run by The Graduates (under Razor Alliance), called Tgrad Mercs. Soon, the battles on the ground will have an effect on the Eve Universe - i.e. wars in space and on the planets.

In addition, there will be NPC drones to shoot at.

I can't think of an FPS that will have more depth than this FPS MMORPG.

  Varthander

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1/30/13 4:46:45 PM#44
to me its still a mistery why they decided to do it ps3 only, im sure there must be something more complex than (come on fan base, buy a ps3) behind it.

  Mors.Magne

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1/30/13 5:01:15 PM#45
Originally posted by Varthander
to me its still a mistery why they decided to do it ps3 only, im sure there must be something more complex than (come on fan base, buy a ps3) behind it.

 My butt's still sore from having to buy a PS3, but these are a few reasons why it's PS3 only:

 

There are no cheating programmes on a PS3 (auto aim etc). (bold and underlined - this is an important reason. We don't want any ISK farmers or cheats - this is a PvP game primarily at the moment)

> CCP want to draw in the PS3 community to the Eve universe. Some of these PS3 players will be younger and it makes them consider Eve in the future.

> You can have DUST on one monitor and Eve on another - using your ship to pound the ground.

  Precusor

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1/31/13 5:36:19 AM#46
Originally posted by Mors.Magne
Originally posted by Precusor
Originally posted by Mors.Magne

 Yes, I agree.

I particularly agree that DUST promises more depth - if you want it to.

I find that hard to believe.

 For example, I've joined a mercinary corp run by The Graduates (under Razor Alliance), called Tgrad Mercs. Soon, the battles on the ground will have an effect on the Eve Universe - i.e. wars in space and on the planets.

In addition, there will be NPC drones to shoot at.

I can't think of an FPS that will have more depth than this FPS MMORPG.

No amount of so called "depth" is going to change the fact that dust plays and feels like a below average fps.

 

 

 

  Phry

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1/31/13 5:58:39 AM#47
Originally posted by Mors.Magne
Originally posted by Varthander
to me its still a mistery why they decided to do it ps3 only, im sure there must be something more complex than (come on fan base, buy a ps3) behind it.

 My butt's still sore from having to buy a PS3, but these are a few reasons why it's PS3 only:

 

There are no cheating programmes on a PS3 (auto aim etc). (bold and underlined - this is an important reason. We don't want any ISK farmers or cheats - this is a PvP game primarily at the moment)

> CCP want to draw in the PS3 community to the Eve universe. Some of these PS3 players will be younger and it makes them consider Eve in the future.

> You can have DUST on one monitor and Eve on another - using your ship to pound the ground.

Nobody in their right mind is going to buy a ps3 if there is a possibility that a ps4 might be in the offing in the next year or so though, although tbh, given that the next ps4 might not be backwards compatable with ps3 games does make that something of a moot point.  Then there is the whole F2P shooters thing, Dust514 doesnt offer even a fraction of gameplay that Planetside 2 does, and planetside 2 is a cut down version of Planetside 1..  and then again, isnt Dust 514 just an 8v8 game anyway? hardly worth bothering with tbh with those kinds of numbers, even if it did miraculously make it onto the PC platform. So will Dust 514 fail, can't really see how it could succeed. It may have a certain amount of 'gimmick' status because it ties into Eve, if in a limited fashion, but beyond that, it doesnt do anything that other games don't already do much better. But how about looking at it from within Eve, already there are complaints about how the Dust bunnies are becoming an annoying feature on the in game chat channels.. in Eve.. oh yeah, and Eve players refer to dust players as dust bunnies, no love lost there in all honesty. Its literally all downhill from here, and i don't think its going to be pretty.

  Loktofeit

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1/31/13 6:01:28 AM#48
Originally posted by Phry

Nobody in their right mind is going to buy a ps3 if there is a possibility that a ps4 might be in the offing in the next year or so though...

There is no data in the history of console systems to support that statement.

 

Ever.

 

 

Never ever.

 

 

 

Period.

 

 

 

 

Actually, data to the contrary has been repeatedly posted, but I guess you missed those posts.

 

 

'isnt Dust 514 just an 8v8 game anyway?'   

24x24


'But how about looking at it from within Eve, already there are complaints about how the Dust bunnies are becoming an annoying feature on the in game chat channels.. in Eve..'  

That dude that complained was laughed out of channel by all the other players that could figure out how to use the options panel in the few systems that DUST chat actually shows up in. Wait... was that you, Phry?


'oh yeah, and Eve players refer to dust players as dust bunnies, no love lost there in all honesty.'

The DUST players came up with that one. Here's a pic from a while ago that they had floating around the DUST514 forum: http://gekiv2.deviantart.com/art/Dust-Bunnies-305097020

 

If' you're going to hate on something, at least get your facts straight first, otherwise it's just ... well, painful to watch such trainwreck posting.

 

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  tom_gore

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1/31/13 7:05:59 AM#49
Originally posted by Mors.Magne
Originally posted by tom_gore
Originally posted by Inktomi
Originally posted by tom_gore
Originally posted by ObiClownobi
Originally posted by Scottgun

Wait a minute. I thought this was on the f2p model. Is it b2p?

 

If so, I'm out.

It's F2P but those EvE players without a PS3 console have spent a year whining instead of saving up for a console and now feel left out.

Sorry, but DUST 514 isn't even worth the time investment, even if you already own a PS3. Not for me at least.

 

You used the word investment. Can you explain to me, as if I was an investor, exactly why it isn't worth it?

Because the return of investment (of time), in the form of "fun", in this particular game is lower than many other games you could be investing your time into. Subjective, of course, but it's really not that good a game. Check out yourself, if you're willing to invest the time. No refunds though.

 

 

I prefer DUST to BF3.

I had a blast with BF2, but the eventual plans for DUST sound better.

I would be interested to know what FPSs / MMORPGs you find more fun than DUST - I feel we need a comparison here.

I prefer BF3 to DUST and I'm pretty sure if we compare numbers in a few months I'm in the majority.

I also prefer pretty much any PC shooter over PS3 DUST for technical reasons.

And I don't consider DUST to be an MMORPG, but if I did, the list of which MMORPGs I find more fun than DUST would be pretty long...

 

  bursegsardaukar

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1/31/13 1:53:53 PM#50

I've been playing Dust since pre-E3 build (last spring) and the game has already made leaps and bounds as far as quality, balance, and entertainment goes. I don't see that progress being slowed in the least bit.

With CCP's track record, the game stands to constantly expand (FOR FREE) for years to come. They've stated multiple times that transition to any future playstations is something they are prepared for, and the next big patch will have a big graphics overhaul, including vegetation and other eye candy. 

I have to disagree with those that choose PS2 over Dust. I've played both extensively and find myself starting up my Playstation a ton more than logging into Planetside, for really one reason: Dust matters more to me. My character progresses in the EVE universe, earning ISK and SP with each match that help me in a much more meaningful way than some bullsh!t certs in PS2. Oh yay, I can put a different gun on my light assault... w00t. Gotta love that customization and depth. Not to mention the map lines are absolutely meaningless. I'll play whatever continent I feel like playing on that day, and if I capture it all, good for me, but it really doesn't matter to me at all. Not to mention, when I log in the next day, all that progress is utterly erased.

Dust doesn't play into the current sov mechanics, but the faction warfare district control in the corp matches lays an awesome groundwork for the future, and even tho I don't participate in FW, I'm excited about what the future holds. The instanced matches are a good way to get some quick action, something EVE itself actually lacks, and they are on par with the fun I'd feel from any meaningless Battlefield round I've played.

Sure, the graphics need work, and they are getting it. The controls need customization, and its coming. Squads need to be bigger, but I can always do corp battles if I want more of my corp to play alongside. There absolutely needs to be an player-run market, after all, EVE has the best in-game economy in any MMO i know of. But all of these are being improved on, and I've seen great progress so far. 

edit: the kb/m vs controller complaint is invalid for the most part since Dust fully supports kb/m. It's all I've been using for several builds.

  Phry

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2/07/13 8:37:45 AM#51
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Phry

Nobody in their right mind is going to buy a ps3 if there is a possibility that a ps4 might be in the offing in the next year or so though...

There is no data in the history of console systems to support that statement.

 

Ever.

 

 

Never ever.

 

 

 

Period.

 

 

 

 

Actually, data to the contrary has been repeatedly posted, but I guess you missed those posts.

 

 

'isnt Dust 514 just an 8v8 game anyway?'   

24x24


'But how about looking at it from within Eve, already there are complaints about how the Dust bunnies are becoming an annoying feature on the in game chat channels.. in Eve..'  

That dude that complained was laughed out of channel by all the other players that could figure out how to use the options panel in the few systems that DUST chat actually shows up in. Wait... was that you, Phry?


'oh yeah, and Eve players refer to dust players as dust bunnies, no love lost there in all honesty.'

The DUST players came up with that one. Here's a pic from a while ago that they had floating around the DUST514 forum: http://gekiv2.deviantart.com/art/Dust-Bunnies-305097020

 

If' you're going to hate on something, at least get your facts straight first, otherwise it's just ... well, painful to watch such trainwreck posting.

 

trainwreck posting, not quite the same thing as posting about a trainwreck is it.. though i think i see now why dust will never make it to PC

Much as i thought the chances of a ps4 ever happening was going to be unlikely, you'll soon be hearing why thats not the case, from Sony, though they are going to be announcing the ps4 in the next few months, i don't think it will be coming in 2013, just that their trying to get a lead on microsofts next xbox.

  As for dust players being called dust bunnies on the eve forums, they've also been referred to as dust mites.. by eve forums i mean the official ones though. but back to why i think that dust will never make it to PC, simple really, planetside 2, as problematic as that game is - and recently its had more than a few, it still represents a much better game, deeper gameplay, more options, and, a hell of a lot more players. 24 x 24..  can only be due to console limitations, probably small maps too. but thats the difference between a MMOFPS and a MOFPS, you don't need to guess which one i think is which

  Mors.Magne

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2/07/13 9:28:32 AM#52

 

Originally posted by Phry

Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Phry

Nobody in their right mind is going to buy a ps3 if there is a possibility that a ps4 might be in the offing in the next year or so though...

There is no data in the history of console systems to support that statement.

 

Ever.

 

 

Never ever.

 

 

 

Period.

 

 

 

 

Actually, data to the contrary has been repeatedly posted, but I guess you missed those posts.

 

 

'isnt Dust 514 just an 8v8 game anyway?'   

24x24


'But how about looking at it from within Eve, already there are complaints about how the Dust bunnies are becoming an annoying feature on the in game chat channels.. in Eve..'  

That dude that complained was laughed out of channel by all the other players that could figure out how to use the options panel in the few systems that DUST chat actually shows up in. Wait... was that you, Phry?


'oh yeah, and Eve players refer to dust players as dust bunnies, no love lost there in all honesty.'

The DUST players came up with that one. Here's a pic from a while ago that they had floating around the DUST514 forum: http://gekiv2.deviantart.com/art/Dust-Bunnies-305097020

 

If' you're going to hate on something, at least get your facts straight first, otherwise it's just ... well, painful to watch such trainwreck posting.

 

trainwreck posting, not quite the same thing as posting about a trainwreck is it.. though i think i see now why dust will never make it to PC

Much as i thought the chances of a ps4 ever happening was going to be unlikely, you'll soon be hearing why thats not the case, from Sony, though they are going to be announcing the ps4 in the next few months, i don't think it will be coming in 2013, just that their trying to get a lead on microsofts next xbox.

  As for dust players being called dust bunnies on the eve forums, they've also been referred to as dust mites.. by eve forums i mean the official ones though. but back to why i think that dust will never make it to PC, simple really, planetside 2, as problematic as that game is - and recently its had more than a few, it still represents a much better game, deeper gameplay, more options, and, a hell of a lot more players. 24 x 24..  can only be due to console limitations, probably small maps too. but thats the difference between a MMOFPS and a MOFPS, you don't need to guess which one i think is which


PS3 has a very important advantage over PC - with PS3 you can't cheat with extra software.

This will be very important soon in DUST when planetary battles will be introduced - far more will be at stake.

 

A big problem with Planetside 2 is that everything is reset every day. Your victories are temporary. With Eve that won't be the case. Someone will have to beat you for your terratory - until then, you will get all the benefits from keeping it.

 

You can 'own' as big a part of the Eve universe as you want to - that is one important difference.

 

There is talk of battles having more players than 24 x 24 in DUST, but don't forget, DUST is very much still in beta.

  Boardwalker

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2/07/13 10:01:10 AM#53

Dust has been improved by leaps and bounds since this thread was started. Also keep in mind that the game is in beta---it seems a lot of people in this thread are treating the game like it's already been released.

 

As for it being a PS3 exclusive, that is only true for the first year of it's life. After that, it can go anywhere, including the PC. Also keep in mind that Dust probably wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Sony's funding, hence the PS exclusivity contract.

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  Squal'Zell

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2/09/13 2:52:32 PM#54

I think people skip over posts or ignore or deny their existence ill put it in caps

 

"I'm not going to play DUST because it is PS3 Exclusive, and i am a PC player that playes EVE"

 

DUST'S TARGET AUDIENCE IS NOT AIMED FOR YOU TO BEGIN WITH!

THEY DON'T WANT THE PC CROWD!

 

Hopefully that is clear enough.

 

 

 


  Cody_Rauh

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2/10/13 8:01:32 PM#55

I know a few things.

 

1. Dust is on Ps3 only.

2. I don't Own a Ps3.

3. Nor will I buy one for Dust.

4. I would play it on x360.

5. But it isn't there, so fuck it. 

Playstation hasn't been cool since about 1997, when ff7 was released. lol, btw POE has a system like materia, hence why I am playing the hell out of that during the week, and putting shit in front of my barrel on the weekends with my buddies on xbox.

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  Mors.Magne

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2/11/13 3:45:51 AM#56
Originally posted by perefim

I know a few things.

 

1. Dust is on Ps3 only.

2. I don't Own a Ps3.

3. Nor will I buy one for Dust.

4. I would play it on x360.

5. But it isn't there, so fuck it. 

Playstation hasn't been cool since about 1997, when ff7 was released. lol, btw POE has a system like materia, hence why I am playing the hell out of that during the week, and putting shit in front of my barrel on the weekends with my buddies on xbox.

I would go further and say all games consoles are not cool because they don't have the versitility of a PC.

But oh well, never mind.

 

 

  Cothor

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2/11/13 3:50:04 AM#57
Anything called DUST 514 is going to fail, that is a fact. Dead serious.
  Loktofeit

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2/11/13 4:21:46 AM#58
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Phry

Nobody in their right mind is going to buy a ps3 if there is a possibility that a ps4 might be in the offing in the next year or so though...

There is no data in the history of console systems to support that statement.

Ever.

Never ever.

Period.

 

Actually, data to the contrary has been repeatedly posted, but I guess you missed those posts.

 

'isnt Dust 514 just an 8v8 game anyway?'   

24x24


'But how about looking at it from within Eve, already there are complaints about how the Dust bunnies are becoming an annoying feature on the in game chat channels.. in Eve..'  

That dude that complained was laughed out of channel by all the other players that could figure out how to use the options panel in the few systems that DUST chat actually shows up in. Wait... was that you, Phry?


'oh yeah, and Eve players refer to dust players as dust bunnies, no love lost there in all honesty.'

The DUST players came up with that one. Here's a pic from a while ago that they had floating around the DUST514 forum: http://gekiv2.deviantart.com/art/Dust-Bunnies-305097020

 

If' you're going to hate on something, at least get your facts straight first, otherwise it's just ... well, painful to watch such trainwreck posting.

trainwreck posting, not quite the same thing as posting about a trainwreck is it.. though i think i see now why dust will never make it to PC

Much as i thought the chances of a ps4 ever happening was going to be unlikely, you'll soon be hearing why thats not the case, from Sony, though they are going to be announcing the ps4 in the next few months, i don't think it will be coming in 2013, just that their trying to get a lead on microsofts next xbox.

  As for dust players being called dust bunnies on the eve forums, they've also been referred to as dust mites.. by eve forums i mean the official ones though. but back to why i think that dust will never make it to PC, simple really, planetside 2, as problematic as that game is - and recently its had more than a few, it still represents a much better game, deeper gameplay, more options, and, a hell of a lot more players. 24 x 24..  can only be due to console limitations, probably small maps too. but thats the difference between a MMOFPS and a MOFPS, you don't need to guess which one i think is which

So you agree everything you said was complete horse ****. Thank you.

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  Cody_Rauh

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2/11/13 6:00:10 AM#59
Originally posted by Mors.Magne
Originally posted by perefim

I know a few things.

 

1. Dust is on Ps3 only.

2. I don't Own a Ps3.

3. Nor will I buy one for Dust.

4. I would play it on x360.

5. But it isn't there, so fuck it. 

Playstation hasn't been cool since about 1997, when ff7 was released. lol, btw POE has a system like materia, hence why I am playing the hell out of that during the week, and putting shit in front of my barrel on the weekends with my buddies on xbox.

I would go further and say all games consoles are not cool because they don't have the versitility of a PC.

But oh well, never mind.

 

 

Yeah, I have to agree, cause thats all consoles are, stripped down computers, with severly less function, my droid phone can do more for me than any console, pretty damn sad.

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  Loktofeit

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2/11/13 6:33:18 AM#60
Originally posted by perefim

Yeah, I have to agree, cause thats all consoles are, stripped down computers, with severly less function, my droid phone can do more for me than any console, pretty damn sad.

It will be interesting to find out how close to PCs the next generation of consoles heads. Something as simple as mouse/kybd support and a fully functioning modern browser would make a rather large leap in that direction. 

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