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  Mardukk

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1/30/13 7:55:53 AM#41
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Look at it this way.

With TESO you are getting 3 games for the price of one.

Other recent games have tried to do an rvr type system for pvp on the cheap.

For example in tsw they let everyone group together in pve but not in pvp, this is to SAVE MONEY. By doing this they only have to make 1/3rd of the pve content of ganesh like TESO and DAOC.

It's the same with gw2, they've gone with putting 3 servers together, as its cheaper to make, they don't need as much pve content.

With TESO you are getting more pve content, because they have to make 3 times as much

 

Ill believe they made 3x the pve content of say...gw2, when I see it.
  Maelwydd

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1/30/13 7:57:09 AM#42
Originally posted by ShakyMo
They aren't restricting players to 1/3 of the content. They are making 3 times the pve content.

Think about it, if they didnt have separate pve areas and let everyone go everywhere, the game would be smaller, there would be no need for all those pve zones, they could just make the game with skyrim, morrowind and high rock for pve and save money by not having duplicate zones.

There is NOT 3 times the content.

For example....

With factions....

50 quests in faction 1

50 quests in faction 2

50 quests in faction 3

150 quests total.

Without factions...

150 quests total

There are some really numerically and logically stunted people on this site....

  ShakyMo

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1/30/13 7:59:59 AM#43
Yes it is 3 times the content.

Look at tsw. Tsw let's you pve everywhere. Tsw let's you group together in pve.

Tsw has 3 pve zones.
TESO has 9
  Omnifish

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1/30/13 8:01:13 AM#44
Don't give hate a chance bro!

This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!

  ShakyMo

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1/30/13 8:01:25 AM#45
Marduk
Gw2 has less pve content than daoc.
  ShakyMo

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1/30/13 8:22:56 AM#46
Mael
No, if they hadn't gone with factions it would be 50 quests total, that would be enough to level,. why waste money making the other 100?

And then if you got to endgame and decided to make another character it would be the same 50 quests all over. With daoc if you made an alt you got a whole another pve leveling experience. Daoc was a very big game in terms if leveling content, no crossover meant each faction had to have their own entire pve world. Imagine you are playing a game like rift, then you make an alt of another faction and you get an entire new landmarss to explore, not just a new starter zone, then you make a 3rd char and get yet another landmass to explore. Separating the pve means MORE pve.

For an example of how the game would have turned out with various people here's design plans see the secret world.
  ktanner3

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1/30/13 8:48:01 AM#47
Originally posted by Imperator101

 

I hope this game bombs big time and is eventually closed down or goes free to play quickl........

I have no intention of playing this game, but I hope it succeeds and has a long shelf life. :)

Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  FromHell

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1/30/13 8:51:43 AM#48

Why factions anyway? In AoC I can level alternatively in Cimmeria, Stygia, Kithai, Aquilonia and pick up quests and things to do in ALL main cities, Khemi, Conrach Village and Old Tarantia.

http://www.ageofconan.com/world/locations

 

In TSW I can also go everywhere:

New England: Kingsmouth, Savage Coast, Blue Mountain

Egypt: Scorched Desert, City of the Sun God

Transsylvania: Besieged Farmlands, Shadowy Forest, Carpathian Fangs

Faction cities, London, Seoul, New York -> all accessible

 

WHY, for ANY reason does TESO restrict areas to factions? To sink more time into ALTS ??

I don´t want ALTS, I want to go everywhere with my main character.

This restrictive game design of faction location split sucked in SWTOR; and it will suck in TESO

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  sapphen

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1/30/13 8:57:47 AM#49
Originally posted by Caliburn101

Let's be fair shall we...

... you are right about the limitations of where players can go.

You are wrong about open world PvP - it is never designed properly and thus encourages and facilitates 'pond scum' players to gank and ruin other people's game-play.

However, you could have made your first point on an established thread, and your second point is a non-starter which has been debated to death for over a decade already...

I agree with you to an extent about world PvP.  Personally I think they should've had a non-racial war with an open world for everyone to explore.  People could manually flag themselves for "faction wPvP" or "FFA wPvP" but if you don't flag yourself then you can not attack or be attacked by other players.

  deakon

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1/30/13 8:59:40 AM#50
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by ShakyMo
They aren't restricting players to 1/3 of the content. They are making 3 times the pve content.

Think about it, if they didnt have separate pve areas and let everyone go everywhere, the game would be smaller, there would be no need for all those pve zones, they could just make the game with skyrim, morrowind and high rock for pve and save money by not having duplicate zones.

There is NOT 3 times the content.

For example....

With factions....

50 quests in faction 1

50 quests in faction 2

50 quests in faction 3

150 quests total.

Without factions...

150 quests total

There are some really numerically and logically stunted people on this site....

They are aiming for 150 hours gameplay to level cap, thats their aim, regardless of faction lock, the developers see 150 hours as their sweet spot, so we would get 150h per toon anyway regardless of wether or not we could explore all lands or not, except with this system we get 150h per faction

  Macecard

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1/30/13 9:03:04 AM#51
Originally posted by Imperator101

They emphasised exploration so much in their gameplay presentation yet they are going to lock you out of the enemy factions territory, what a contradiction form a bunch of fools making this game. All pvp is limited to Cyrodiil so you can kiss true open world pvp throughout the entire world goodbye. What kind of idiot would lock you out of the rest of the game? Who the hell wants to make a new character just to see more of the game? A lot of people have a sense of loyalty to their faction, this game is very stupid and will fail big time if they limit pvp to Cryodiil and lock you out of enemy factions. There may be no quests in enemy faction zones but you can still do dungeons in their zones and fight new NPC enemies.

I hope this game bombs big time and is eventually closed down or goes free to play quickly, this is like a handicapped MMORPG, I would rather play WoW since it does not lock you out of enemy territory and you can do open world pvp anywhere.

The part I havge highlighted in red actually makes sense and actually could be consider a reasonable if a little angry arguement. But then you throw your toys out the pram and call the game stupid and a big time fail. Why do this? Why can't people disucss problems with a game without calling it a faill before its even released. 

Why can't you say this game is stupid in MY OPINION and I will not buy it. Honestly. I stopped reading after the green sentence.

If you continue to make sweeping statements like you know what everyone everywhere thinks about a certain topic then I am going to shout at you.
It easy to type 'I think this is the worst game ever'
Rather than the 'This is the worst game ever'

  ShakyMo

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1/30/13 9:04:19 AM#52
Fromhell

I can tell you why tsw and Aoc don't do it.

TO SAVE MONEY

tsw is a tiny game
  Grunch

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1/30/13 9:07:32 AM#53
If all you want to do is explore pve areas play Skyrim. If you want DAoC 2 and are awesome, play ESO.

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  casual187

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1/30/13 9:13:24 AM#54
Originally posted by ikarrian
People seem to forget that you can play PvE with other people aswell, Not only for PvP. And i smell puberty from all these Ragers.

Just made me think of this http://theoatmeal.com/comics/online_gaming 

 

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  Nitth

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1/30/13 9:13:47 AM#55


Originally posted by ikarrian
Another of these threads... Seen the Areas yet OP?

Some areas he possibly never will.


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  Lester_Creech

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1/30/13 9:18:05 AM#56

if an artificual structure is required to protect lowbs from gankers, let it simply be a feature that prevents pvp between characters who differ in level greater than 10...and then open after level 30 or whatever...

 

preventing full world exploration in an Elder Scroll chapter is stupid.   It will just be some other boring fantasy clone and you will all hate it in no more than 2 months of playing. 

 

Why is this even an elder scrolls game?  would you play a single player elder scrolls game where you couldnt explore all content?

  FromHell

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1/30/13 9:19:11 AM#57
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Fromhell

I can tell you why tsw and Aoc don't do it.

TO SAVE MONEY

tsw is a tiny game

LOL.. if you believe TESO will be three times as big as AoC or TSW; just because it has three secluded factions, you will have harsh awakening from your dreams.. content does not grow on trees, mate.

AoC size is GIGANTIC, it is impossible that any MMO can be as big at launch as AoC 4.0

btw I prefer a few high detailed areas than a big landmass of nothingness and a few mobs standing around, like SWTOR "Hoth"

Content Size=/=Content Size

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  Lester_Creech

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Feliz seria que hora

1/30/13 9:19:55 AM#58
Originally posted by Macecard
Originally posted by Imperator101

They emphasised exploration so much in their gameplay presentation yet they are going to lock you out of the enemy factions territory, what a contradiction form a bunch of fools making this game. All pvp is limited to Cyrodiil so you can kiss true open world pvp throughout the entire world goodbye. What kind of idiot would lock you out of the rest of the game? Who the hell wants to make a new character just to see more of the game? A lot of people have a sense of loyalty to their faction, this game is very stupid and will fail big time if they limit pvp to Cryodiil and lock you out of enemy factions. There may be no quests in enemy faction zones but you can still do dungeons in their zones and fight new NPC enemies.

I hope this game bombs big time and is eventually closed down or goes free to play quickly, this is like a handicapped MMORPG, I would rather play WoW since it does not lock you out of enemy territory and you can do open world pvp anywhere.

The part I havge highlighted in red actually makes sense and actually could be consider a reasonable if a little angry arguement. But then you throw your toys out the pram and call the game stupid and a big time fail. Why do this? Why can't people disucss problems with a game without calling it a faill before its even released. 

Why can't you say this game is stupid in MY OPINION and I will not buy it. Honestly. I stopped reading after the green sentence.

in YOUR OPINION you mean.

  User Deleted
1/30/13 9:19:55 AM#59
Originally posted by casual187
Originally posted by ikarrian
People seem to forget that you can play PvE with other people aswell, Not only for PvP. And i smell puberty from all these Ragers.

Just made me think of this http://theoatmeal.com/comics/online_gaming 

 

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  ShakyMo

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1/30/13 9:23:05 AM#60
From hell

Daoc has oh at least 3 times the pve content of Aoc and even more so with tsw.

It also has working forts.

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